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Quote from: hulla on July 26, 2020, 03:54:24 PM

Alcohol base hand sanitizer is the perfect solution to prevent the spread of the virus and other diseases but despite the restrictions do you know how many people that will be too stubborn to comply the good hygiene procedure? I saw a video posted on Instagram acouple of days back where almost hundreds people are having a pool party can we say none of them will be positive.

I don't think we should treat adults like little children. If they want to risk their health and the health of their loved ones, give them the right to do so. If someone wants to go to Las Vegas to play at a casino, let them go. The main thing is that these people are healthy.

No one is actually stopping people from going to casino since the government have already said they are exempted but to curb the spread of the virus i dont anything bad in treating an adult thats yet to be mature as little children and i believe this was what the Chinese government didnt do then.

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WHO is the organization that allowed the spread of coronavirus around the world? WHO can something other than spend money coming from donations? It is not this organization, but Russia that delivered the Ebola vaccine to African countries and saved hundreds of human lives. Therefore, we do not need to talk about its approval.

Doubt about your calm but if the WHO and CDC approval is not needed concern the vaccine then whats the purpose of the organization in the first place?

I don't understand the meaning of these organizations at all. Like many other people. Perhaps that's why trump decided to stop funding the world health organization.

No wonder you dont understand there purpose that why you underrated their power. Trump stop funding because they are not open up with their investigation about the cause of the COVID 19 and how the Chinese government dont curb the spread till it a global disease but i guess thats because they have their own rule and regulations to follow.

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Quote from: deisik on July 26, 2020, 12:45:29 PM

One such in England (an NHS Nightingale Hospital)

With such open space, how do they plan to separate those who might be ill, from those who is ill and in serious condition? They all breath in one area. Even with up-to-date air cleaning system, some bacterias will move freely in the whole are.

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Quote from: MFahad on July 26, 2020, 04:21:22 PM

How do you know that coronavirus vaccine will be developed in 5 -6 month ? Did you have any official news for this ?

The pandemic will remain until the vaccine will be developed. If the casinos are opened, then this does not mean that pandemic era is over.

Here in India they (Bharat Biotech) have just started the phase-1 of human trials and I don't know whether it will be successful or not. Dozens of vaccines are currently going through various phases of clinical trials around the world. According to the RAPS COVID 19 vaccine tracker (https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2020/3/covid-19-vaccine-tracker), two of the vaccines are currently undergoing Phase-3 (final) human trials. They are:

1. Vaccine developed by Wuhan Institute of Biological Products (China)
2. CoronaVac developed by Sinovac Research and Development Co., Ltd. (China)

I am not sure whether their Phase 3 trials will be successful or not. I am just being optimistic. If the trials are successful, then vaccines will be available in the market by the end of this year.

BTW, two other vaccines are currently undergoing Phase 2 and Phase 3 trials simultaneously (they haven't completed Phase 2). These are:

1. AZD1222 from The University of Oxford & AstraZeneca (UK)
2. Vaccine from University of Melbourne and Murdoch Children’s Research Institute (Australia)

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Quote from: hulla on July 26, 2020, 03:54:24 PM

Alcohol base hand sanitizer is the perfect solution to prevent the spread of the virus and other diseases but despite the restrictions do you know how many people that will be too stubborn to comply the good hygiene procedure? I saw a video posted on Instagram acouple of days back where almost hundreds people are having a pool party can we say none of them will be positive.

I don't think we should treat adults like little children. If they want to risk their health and the health of their loved ones, give them the right to do so. If someone wants to go to Las Vegas to play at a casino, let them go. The main thing is that these people are healthy.

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Quote from: FontSeli on July 25, 2020, 06:01:31 PM

WHO is the organization that allowed the spread of coronavirus around the world? WHO can something other than spend money coming from donations? It is not this organization, but Russia that delivered the Ebola vaccine to African countries and saved hundreds of human lives. Therefore, we do not need to talk about its approval.

Doubt about your calm but if the WHO and CDC approval is not needed concern the vaccine then whats the purpose of the organization in the first place?

I don't understand the meaning of these organizations at all. Like many other people. Perhaps that's why trump decided to stop funding the world health organization.

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Quote from: deisik on July 26, 2020, 10:40:57 AM

I've read about that too

Moreover, it had been stated by many right at the very beginning that lockdowns and quarantines were there not to prevent the spread of the virus as it was impossible to do (which proved correct, by the way), but only to slow down the virus so that the healthcare system wouldn't collapse. In other words, governments did everything they could, and now we are already past the point where quarantines could actually be useful. To repeat, they were not to prevent or stop the disease but to slow down its spread and win some time

If that is the case, then I don't think that the objective has been achieved. Mass production of a vaccine is at least 5-6 months away, and we are still witnessing more than 50,000 new cases per day, in each of the major hotspots (Brazil, United States, India.etc). But the fatality rate has gone down, by as much as half. At least in India, the healthcare system is close to collapse.

How do you know that coronavirus vaccine will be developed in 5 -6 month ? Did you have any official news for this ?

The pandemic will remain until the vaccine will be developed. If the casinos are opened, then this does not mean that pandemic era is over.

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Quote from: FontSeli on July 25, 2020, 06:01:31 PM

Quote from: hulla on July 24, 2020, 05:29:18 PM

The compliance with covid 19 good hygiene only curb the spread of covid and I dont think it also protect people from others disease. However, I agreed that the casino owners will do everything possible to protect their visitors because they wont want the government to stop them from operating again but everything still depend on every individual or visitors level compliance.

Dirty hands are a huge number of different pathogenic bacteria. A very good invention - sanitizer with a content of more than 70% alcohol, it helps to kill most bacteria and viruses.
Now in all public establishments such as casinos, they are required to be installed within walking distance.

Alcohol base hand sanitizer is the perfect solution to prevent the spread of the virus and other diseases but despite the restrictions do you know how many people that will be too stubborn to comply the good hygiene procedure? I saw a video posted on Instagram acouple of days back where almost hundreds people are having a pool party can we say none of them will be positive.

Quote from: FontSeli on July 25, 2020, 06:01:31 PM

WHO is the organization that allowed the spread of coronavirus around the world? WHO can something other than spend money coming from donations? It is not this organization, but Russia that delivered the Ebola vaccine to African countries and saved hundreds of human lives. Therefore, we do not need to talk about its approval.

Doubt about your calm but if the WHO and CDC approval is not needed concern the vaccine then whats the purpose of the organization in the first place?

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I doubt it. The peak incidence is presumably behind and the health care system has a large margin of safety. But with the economy, everything is much worse and most likely the second wave of quarantines and severe restrictions will be fatal for it.

At what point do you suppose the pandemic will over-run Las Vegas (or any other major US city) given you don't seem to think there is anything wrong in the US at the moment with the nearing run-away numbers of cases?

I know that the number of cases began to grow again (most likely this is due to the weakening of security measures, and especially with mass rallies in the United States) but the growth is not as fatal as anticipated at the start of the pandemic. In the sense that the death toll (if the medical system is not overloaded) is within adequate (yes, this is cynical) limits.
All options are currently poor, but repeated harsh quarantine are likely the worst option.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 26, 2020, 12:09:56 PM

Quote from: deisik on July 26, 2020, 10:40:57 AM

I've read about that too

Moreover, it had been stated by many right at the very beginning that lockdowns and quarantines were there not to prevent the spread of the virus as it was impossible to do (which proved correct, by the way), but only to slow down the virus so that the healthcare system wouldn't collapse. In other words, governments did everything they could, and now we are already past the point where quarantines could actually be useful. To repeat, they were not to prevent or stop the disease but to slow down its spread and win some time

If that is the case, then I don't think that the objective has been achieved

I don't know about India (in fact, I'm not even sure there is a health service available to general population in this country), but in European countries, especially the ones most severely affected by Covid-19 (Italy, Spain, England, maybe a couple others), the quarantine has probably served its purpose of providing time for the healthcare system to adapt to the situation. I've posted images from Saint Petersburg in Russia where a huge multi-purpose exhibition complex has been transformed into a field hospital

One such in England (an NHS Nightingale Hospital)

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Quote from: deisik on July 26, 2020, 10:40:57 AM

I've read about that too

Moreover, it had been stated by many right at the very beginning that lockdowns and quarantines were there not to prevent the spread of the virus as it was impossible to do (which proved correct, by the way), but only to slow down the virus so that the healthcare system wouldn't collapse. In other words, governments did everything they could, and now we are already past the point where quarantines could actually be useful. To repeat, they were not to prevent or stop the disease but to slow down its spread and win some time

If that is the case, then I don't think that the objective has been achieved. Mass production of a vaccine is at least 5-6 months away, and we are still witnessing more than 50,000 new cases per day, in each of the major hotspots (Brazil, United States, India.etc). But the fatality rate has gone down, by as much as half. At least in India, the healthcare system is close to collapse.

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To impose a total curfew and move army into the streets (snipers on roofs and that kind of thing)? Okay, and what's next? You can't put the whole country on quarantine for a couple of years. And since we have already been on quarantine for two months, and it didn't help, there's not much that the government, in fact any government, can do. It seems that their only option is to sit and pray that most people will pull through on their own and the infection will subside eventually. People shouldn't call on government but rather care for themselves by themselves

I have seen some of the interviews with the experts. They say that once the community spread happens, lockdowns and quarantines may have only limited impact. And in the United States, the community spread started many months back and now there is hardly any county or city which is free from it. The only thing to do now is to take adequate precautions, such as wearing of masks and gloves

I've read about that too

Moreover, it had been stated by many right at the very beginning that lockdowns and quarantines were there not to prevent the spread of the virus as it was impossible to do (which proved correct, by the way), but only to slow down the virus so that the healthcare system wouldn't collapse. In other words, governments did everything they could, and now we are already past the point where quarantines could actually be useful. To repeat, they were not to prevent or stop the disease but to slow down its spread and win some time

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Nothing can be return back to normal until 7 billion units of vaccines get manufactured,this is insane number and don't know how long it will take to produce such amount,but atleast a year is needed to inject medicine to the everyone in this world then only people can be set free from the fear of getting affected.

Many people are already infected with a coronavirus, and has its own immune system. Others are not afraid to get infected. At first, you need much less vaccines than 7 billion. We're not dealing with a plague.

I agree while 7 billion vaccines will be the optimal number we need to be realistic, that is simply not possible at least for the short term, so governments will have to decide which is the best and most effective way to make use of whatever vaccines they can get their hands on, and to me it is obvious that those that are at a greater risk of suffering long lasting effects or even death are the ones that should be vaccinated first, so the elderly and those with previous health issues should be vaccinated first.

I think that from a few hundred million vaccines to a billion will be enough to start with. This way we can vaccinate those who are at risk. We will also significantly reduce the burden on medical institutions.
I would very much like to see vaccines being produced as soon as possible.

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But there are consequences to that.
Cases in Nevada are growing very quickly now. And if the cases don't stop to rise state authorities will have to lock down Las Vegas again.

The pandemia is still very active. I think they'll have to close Las Vegas soon if things don't stop to get worse.

It keeps happening.

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/07/25/live-updates-coronavirus-covid-cases-in-washoe-county-nevada-reno-las-vegas/5507570002/

New cases and it is breaking records. We all know the possibility of this happening but I think it will continue to increase over 40K cases if they don't put some measure to keep the number increasing. Is it the people or it is just that the government doesn't care?

As @deisik said, the government already did their job and it all lies to the people whether they care about themselves or they just wanted do do what they want. The fact that we are seeing the cases increasing means people won't stop gambling and maybe they think this is how they will help with the economy.

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Quote from: deisik on July 26, 2020, 02:30:00 AM

And what can the government do?

To impose a total curfew and move army into the streets (snipers on roofs and that kind of thing)? Okay, and what's next? You can't put the whole country on quarantine for a couple of years. And since we have already been on quarantine for two months, and it didn't help, there's not much that the government, in fact any government, can do. It seems that their only option is to sit and pray that most people will pull through on their own and the infection will subside eventually. People shouldn't call on government but rather care for themselves by themselves

I have seen some of the interviews with the experts. They say that once the community spread happens, lockdowns and quarantines may have only limited impact. And in the United States, the community spread started many months back and now there is hardly any county or city which is free from it. The only thing to do now is to take adequate precautions, such as wearing of masks and gloves.

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New cases and it is breaking records. We all know the possibility of this happening but I think it will continue to increase over 40K cases if they don't put some measure to keep the number increasing. Is it the people or it is just that the government doesn't care?

And what can the government do?

To impose a total curfew and move army into the streets (snipers on roofs and that kind of thing)? Okay, and what's next? You can't put the whole country on quarantine for a couple of years. And since we have already been on quarantine for two months, and it didn't help, there's not much that the government, in fact any government, can do. It seems that their only option is to sit and pray that most people will pull through on their own and the infection will subside eventually. People shouldn't call on government but rather care for themselves by themselves

That is why Im asking if its the people or the latter.

Obviously people would be against those strict rules but the fact that articles are stating that casinos and even bars are not practicing social distancing means something. As some already said, people won't be going far from the normal things they've done in a bar or a casino and they are not following the new normal.

Government are there to implement the protocols, people should really follow. That is why I am asking since it is said people are not following the protocol, it is either they don't care or they are that stupid.

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The pandemic is still very active. I think they'll have to close Las Vegas soon.

I doubt it. The peak incidence is presumably behind and the health care system has a large margin of safety. But with the economy, everything is much worse and most likely the second wave of quarantines and severe restrictions will be fatal for it.

At what point do you suppose the pandemic will over-run Las Vegas (or any other major US city) given you don't seem to think there is anything wrong in the US at the moment with the nearing run-away numbers of cases?

The cases are climbing there and yet gamblers and visitors keep coming. In my opinion, it will be better for them to be close again, however, I think they are balancing the problem once they close it and when they continue operating it. If its open, new cases will happen and people will die. If they close it, unemployment, hunger, etc. More problem for the economy, so they have choose. And I think people from above will choose the risk of facing the virus, as long as they are the one that are safe.

Its possible to be suspended once again if there are a lot of employee who are reported as new cases, it will be blast contract tracing for sure.

The number of infected people is increasing however if casinos get fully closed that might be the end of their business. I don't think they can survive another lock down and just imagine how many employees will then stay without a job. I think that can still continue with their business but with limited number of gamblers allowed, they should keep the distance and wear masks. Yes, that is far away from usual atmosphere in casinos but it's still better than lockdown.

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Quote from: Janation on July 25, 2020, 09:56:02 PM

New cases and it is breaking records. We all know the possibility of this happening but I think it will continue to increase over 40K cases if they don't put some measure to keep the number increasing. Is it the people or it is just that the government doesn't care?

And what can the government do?

To impose a total curfew and move army into the streets (snipers on roofs and that kind of thing)? Okay, and what's next? You can't put the whole country on quarantine for a couple of years. And since we have already been on quarantine for two months, and it didn't help, there's not much that the government, in fact any government, can do. It seems that their only option is to sit and pray that most people will pull through on their own and the infection will subside eventually. People shouldn't call on government but rather care for themselves by themselves

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Quote from: Saint-loup on July 07, 2020, 05:04:38 AM

But there are consequences to that.
Cases in Nevada are growing very quickly now. And if the cases don't stop to rise state authorities will have to lock down Las Vegas again.

The pandemia is still very active. I think they'll have to close Las Vegas soon if things don't stop to get worse.

It keeps happening.

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/07/25/live-updates-coronavirus-covid-cases-in-washoe-county-nevada-reno-las-vegas/5507570002/

New cases and it is breaking records. We all know the possibility of this happening but I think it will continue to increase over 40K cases if they don't put some measure to keep the number increasing. Is it the people or it is just that the government doesn't care?

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Quote from: hulla on July 24, 2020, 05:29:18 PM

The compliance with covid 19 good hygiene only curb the spread of covid and I dont think it also protect people from others disease. However, I agreed that the casino owners will do everything possible to protect their visitors because they wont want the government to stop them from operating again but everything still depend on every individual or visitors level compliance.

Dirty hands are a huge number of different pathogenic bacteria. A very good invention - sanitizer with a content of more than 70% alcohol, it helps to kill most bacteria and viruses.
Now in all public establishments such as casinos, they are required to be installed within walking distance.

Quote from: FontSeli on July 24, 2020, 05:35:21 AM

Cant read the link you provided but I want you to know that vaccine that is not acknowledge by WHO and CDC cant be use as Covid 19 vaccine.

WHO is the organization that allowed the spread of coronavirus around the world? WHO can something other than spend money coming from donations? It is not this organization, but Russia that delivered the Ebola vaccine to African countries and saved hundreds of human lives. Therefore, we do not need to talk about its approval.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on July 24, 2020, 04:54:24 PM

The pandemic is still very active. I think they'll have to close Las Vegas soon.

I doubt it. The peak incidence is presumably behind and the health care system has a large margin of safety. But with the economy, everything is much worse and most likely the second wave of quarantines and severe restrictions will be fatal for it.

At what point do you suppose the pandemic will over-run Las Vegas (or any other major US city) given you don't seem to think there is anything wrong in the US at the moment with the nearing run-away numbers of cases?

The cases are climbing there and yet gamblers and visitors keep coming. In my opinion, it will be better for them to be close again, however, I think they are balancing the problem once they close it and when they continue operating it. If its open, new cases will happen and people will die. If they close it, unemployment, hunger, etc. More problem for the economy, so they have choose. And I think people from above will choose the risk of facing the virus, as long as they are the one that are safe.

Its possible to be suspended once again if there are a lot of employee who are reported as new cases, it will be blast contract tracing for sure.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on July 22, 2020, 10:24:28 AM

Nothing can be return back to normal until 7 billion units of vaccines get manufactured,this is insane number and don't know how long it will take to produce such amount,but atleast a year is needed to inject medicine to the everyone in this world then only people can be set free from the fear of getting affected.

Many people are already infected with a coronavirus, and has its own immune system. Others are not afraid to get infected. At first, you need much less vaccines than 7 billion. We're not dealing with a plague.

I agree while 7 billion vaccines will be the optimal number we need to be realistic, that is simply not possible at least for the short term, so governments will have to decide which is the best and most effective way to make use of whatever vaccines they can get their hands on, and to me it is obvious that those that are at a greater risk of suffering long lasting effects or even death are the ones that should be vaccinated first, so the elderly and those with previous health issues should be vaccinated first.

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