Topic: Launching the Antminer L3+, World's Most Powerful and Efficient Litecoin Miner - page 141. (Read 284882 times)

Still listed at 40 LTC and "out of stock" now that their fumblings of the "new D3 batch" website changes have finished up.

 I don't expect them to sell a L5 model for a while - they seem to be having a hard enough time comming up with enough chips to sell all the L3+ models they want to, and it's a LONG way from saturating the market at this point since it blows away the only competiton (the Innosilicon A4) pretty badly on performance (though the A4 DOES seem to win on reliability).

 Keep in mind that even if Litecoin current network hashrate DOUBLES (which will take most of a year at the rate Bitmain and Innosilicon have been selling miners since the A4 and L3 came about) it's still going to leave the next OLDER generation (A2, Titan, Alcheminer) highly profitable if your electric rate is low, leaving PLENTY of room for more sales of the newer stuff.


 There's also the point that the L3+ is already on the CURRENT semiconductor tech node, so it CAN'T be significantly upgraded in performance for another couple years ballpark - the A4 seems to have some room for improvement as it doesn't appear to be a fully optimised 14/16nm design, but even then an "upgraded" version isn't going to be able to do a TON better than the L3+ unless Innosilocon goes with a LOT more chips to compensate for running them at lower voltages for better efficiency (reference the Ibelink DM22G vs the DM11G for an EXAMPLE, or the Antminer S9 vs the T9 for a less extreme example).



 Bitmain has traditionally used even number models for BIG RACK MOUNT miners - but they seem to have abandoned that concept in the last couple years, probably because their SMALL miners are pushing the most you can put on a single circuit in one of their bigger markets AND the limits of available power supplies for MOST of their markets.

Rumors said the offered L3+ is a little more expensive about 45 LTC

Anybody have a speculation on when Antminer L4 will come out?

 Only Bitmain can answer that question for sure - but ONE BIG MINE putting in a big order could easily wipe out an entire batch.

 I'm still convinced the only reason Bitmain started making Scrypt and X11 miners is that they are finally seeing S9 unit sales slow down noticeably.

 BTW - at this point I'm estimating that the L3+ represents about 75% of all Scrypt hashrate (the A2/Titan/Alcheminer probably still own 12% or so, and I'd guess the A4 has managed to capture 13% or so).

 The "older miner" figure is pretty easy to figure, take the hashrate from before the L3 was announced, figure it's pretty much ALL still there as profitability exploded (and is STILL a ton higher) when Litecoin jumped, and the rest would be the share of the L3+ and A4 combined. Splitting the figures for THOSE two out is much more of a guess.

 If I have that share split figured correctly, Bitmain has sold ballpark 18000 L3+ units (well, perhaps 2000 L3 and 17000 L3+).

 If EVERY SINGLE MINER on Litecoin was a L3+ unit, that would be about 24000 units.

Bitmain makes too many miners... Sadly there are too many of us wanting even more than the "too many" they already make.... No joke, just way more demand than supply.  And if they were to make enough to meet the demand the coins you would mine with them would be worthless.... Then there is no demand and Bitmain is left building miners for no customers, and their own mining operations also fold. 

How many pieces of AntMiner L3+ does BitMain makes, anyway? Is that the reason why Bitmain is always out of stock? How could Bitmain went out of stock in 15 minutes? Is Bitmain a joke or something???

I hope they start shipping early, that would be freaking sweet!

Most likely, existing L3+ owners were making too much money.

I didn't buy a PSU just 4 miners

Don't you guys think that email refers to those who purchased the APW PSU?

wow, is your order paid via BTC/LTC?
and this is earlier than ~3 weeks. So they ran out of storage and farm space.

Hello dows anyone know about Antminer L3+ will run on this inverter or not,

https://www.luminouseshop.com/collections/inverter-battery-combo/products/eco-watt-850-rc-15000-120-ah-36-months-warranty-tubular-battery?utm_source=FirePush&utm_medium=Client+Promo&utm_campaign=Get+New+Freedom+from+Power&h=981-17-0-170809-4987-0-0

If not then, please suggest me which Inverter will run L3+ miner, And give me the inverter configuration or features details.

Lets hope this trend continues. I have one of the very last Sept batch order that I would like to get ASAP.

If the items haven't yet shipped, Bitmain should be able to change carriers.  It doesn't hurt to ask via support.

We're not talking about selling Grandma's Wedgewood, or someone's 2015 LTC, though, are we?  As for the rest - there are plenty of ways to try to spin or justify gouging, but at the end of the day it's easy to tell the folks that are working for the benefit of a community (cough...Sidehack...cough...for an example) and those that are just greedy opportunists.  The difference is the gap between reasonable profit and trying to bill the time doing nothing at $100/hour.  Anyone in business accepts the normal "businessman's risks" - one shouldn't seek a gold star for accepting credit cards or PayPal or shipping when those are requirements of the work.

If Bitmain wanted to support small miners, it would be worthwhile to make it easy for people to buy their products.  I've missed out on two purchase opportunities now and frankly, replacing my A2s with A4s is starting to look like a better idea than wasting more time in the L3+ hunger games.

make sense! I'm expecting 6 units from my side

Hello !

I bought a L3+ (october batch) and i choose UPS for the transport. I saw that there is difficulties sometimes with this company.

Do you think it's possible to change for FedEx or DHL if i contact bitmain support ?

Thank you

In my opinion bitmain cant have unlimited datacenter space and electricity they must have a saturation point to run their miners for their own use so they have to decide which miners to run and currently D3 is most profitable miner to run so they are clearing spaces of L3+ for D3 to run by themselves so i think that's why they are shipping L3+ ahead of time to clear their data centres and that could be a win win situation for both the miners and bitmain WAITING ANXIOUSLY FOR MY 10 L3+ MINERS due to ship on August 28 may be i will get them earlier.

I think we can all agree with that! They aren't even taking any risks  


Hey there now...
Do you think that people who bought cryptocurrencies at $x and sold at $2x are scum? How about brick and mortar stores that purchase from manufacturers in bulk and then sell to their customers? What makes that different from purchasing hardware and selling it for more? At least as an Amazon reseller we offer significant protections for the consumer, the ability to use credit cards, 30-day seller warranties (in addition to the manufacturer's warranty), reliable shipping without customs hassles or import fees, as well as TONS of support and assistance. We're taking the same huge risks as everyone here by purchasing hardware 2-3 months in advance, which everyone here knows is an eternity in crypto-land. Oh, and it's not always profitable either!

Speaking as a serial entrepreneur, rule number one is that if one takes care of their customers, they'll take care of you.  Rule number two is start prices high and lower them.  I had excellent experience with Bitmain and my S3+s and C1s, but after that things seemed to go to shit.  Pre-orders, delays, price changes, mining with production equipment, obscure release times (here's a thought - how about a 5pm UTC+8 release for the China market, and something during the day for the rest of the world?  Or three releases - China, Europe, Americas? This ain't rocket surgery...).  Bitmain aside, the absolute scum of the so-called business world are the folks that sell accounts for almost the price of the miner they didn't buy, or the folks that buy something and sell it for more than double because they can.  Just because someone can come up with a flimsy excuse for poor behavior doesn't mean it instantly becomes good behavior.  Expecting a business to take care of the people paying them and keeping them in business shouldn't be a logic fallacy.