⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2023/2024⚽ - page 27.

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Quote from: giammangiato on September 19, 2024, 08:21:08 AM

Quote from: bastisisca on September 18, 2024, 12:14:10 PM

Now we know that it was not a long-term project given that De Rossi was sacked.
Now Roma urgently need to find a coach, there are many available: Allegri, Mazzarri, Zidane, Garcia, Pioli.
I honestly didn't expect the exemption now, I was shocked and surprised.

I feel very sorry for De Rossi, a good boy, a good player and also a good coach close to the players and fans.
In my opinion it wasn't an intelligent choice, they are still paying for having sent Mourinho away on the spot, so they will continue to pay De Rossi and will be without a coach.
Choice truly made with the gut and not with the head.

And Roma is choosing Ivan Juric as their new coach. he's not good enough to handle club's ambition to secure UCL spot for upcoming season.

I feel so sorry for all of roma fans, but their management was total crap in choosing a new coach. It feels they are gonna be a mid-table club very soon.

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 18, 2024, 12:14:10 PM

Now we know that it was not a long-term project given that De Rossi was sacked.
Now Roma urgently need to find a coach, there are many available: Allegri, Mazzarri, Zidane, Garcia, Pioli.
I honestly didn't expect the exemption now, I was shocked and surprised.

I feel very sorry for De Rossi, a good boy, a good player and also a good coach close to the players and fans.
In my opinion it wasn't an intelligent choice, they are still paying for having sent Mourinho away on the spot, so they will continue to pay De Rossi and will be without a coach.
Choice truly made with the gut and not with the head.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on September 18, 2024, 02:31:07 AM

Of course long-term project will always be better than short-term one that only prioritizes one or two season, but can long-term project be continued if in the first few season there is failure and no significant improvement in development.
Maybe De Rossi has plan that can be developed in the long term but if he is fired more quickly can all the planning run smoothly because of course every change of coach there will be changes and new plans, from here it should be for De Rossi to develop new potential faster and slowly prepare long-term plan for Roma development.
It is not easy to lead and build football team, coach must start work faster and be proven to be able to do everything well, look at the example of some other team that failed, many people say it is good in the future but they go through the season not easily and like there is no real development.

The problem with long term projects on a football club is that we could end up with some mistakes and when you are dealing with a long term project, making a few mistakes could cause you to lose a few years and that's not really acceptable at all, it doesn't end up very well. We should be looking at this as something that is getting worse and we need to look at short term results sometimes as well. Of course the bad part about short term is that you spend a lot quickly and you go all out and if you get a success then you will be fine but if you lose and fail to get any cups then you are going to end up with a lot of debt and not a good result.

This is why I think it should be important to do whatever you can within what you can afford to do without much trouble. Long term is definitely better option but that doesn't mean that we are going to see this result change all that much, so that is why I think we need to see Roma do a lot better and not make any mistakes.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on September 18, 2024, 02:31:07 AM

Of course long-term project will always be better than short-term one that only prioritizes one or two season, but can long-term project be continued if in the first few season there is failure and no significant improvement in development.
Maybe De Rossi has plan that can be developed in the long term but if he is fired more quickly can all the planning run smoothly because of course every change of coach there will be changes and new plans, from here it should be for De Rossi to develop new potential faster and slowly prepare long-term plan for Roma development.
It is not easy to lead and build football team, coach must start work faster and be proven to be able to do everything well, look at the example of some other team that failed, many people say it is good in the future but they go through the season not easily and like there is no real development.

Now we know that it was not a long-term project given that De Rossi was sacked.
Now Roma urgently need to find a coach, there are many available: Allegri, Mazzarri, Zidane, Garcia, Pioli.
I honestly didn't expect the exemption now, I was shocked and surprised.

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Player	Goal
Mateo Retegui	4
Marcus Thuram	4
Valentin Castellanos	3
Florian Thauvin	3
Ange-Yoan Bonny	2
Marco Brescianini	2
Patrick Cutrone	2
Giovanni Di Lorenzo	2
Boulaye Dia	2
Emmanuel Gyasi	2
Moise Kean	2
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia	2
Lorenzo Lucca	2
Romelu Lukaku	2
Dennis Man	2
Daniel Mosquera	2
Christian Pulisic	2
Casper Tengstedt	2
Dusan Vlahovic	2

Not exciting.. Lukaku enter with 2 goals also Vlahovic, nothing Sad

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 17, 2024, 11:58:06 AM

Quote from: Hirose UK on September 15, 2024, 09:49:16 PM

Long-term projects may be good because Roma will be able to have good performance in the future, but if in one or two season there is no improvement and all efforts are in vain then it is likely that De Rossi will lose his position as coach and Roma will get new coach and new plan too until finally Roma only focuses on all new plan that cannot produce any changes.
What is needed is not about plan in the long term but real proof in faster time considering the many team from each competition and if Roma only continues to lag behind then they will not be able to achieve the achievement of winning the title.
For now I admit that Roma has everything well from reliable players and also experienced coaches in Serie-A, they only need to develop all of this to be able to create competent and strong squad to be able to survive consistently in its best quality.

Yes, you're right, also as I was saying that these are hypotheses that I'm putting forward, no one really knows what the plan is. However, in my opinion, planning for the long term is better than planning for the short term, for a season.
You need to have a long vision that allows you to plan and take steps at the right times in order to optimize for the future

Of course long-term project will always be better than short-term one that only prioritizes one or two season, but can long-term project be continued if in the first few season there is failure and no significant improvement in development.
Maybe De Rossi has plan that can be developed in the long term but if he is fired more quickly can all the planning run smoothly because of course every change of coach there will be changes and new plans, from here it should be for De Rossi to develop new potential faster and slowly prepare long-term plan for Roma development.
It is not easy to lead and build football team, coach must start work faster and be proven to be able to do everything well, look at the example of some other team that failed, many people say it is good in the future but they go through the season not easily and like there is no real development.

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 13, 2024, 11:53:42 AM

Maybe we are faced with a long-term project, these reinforcements may not be needed for this season but for next and Roma and De Rossi are trying to buy excellent players for free in order to build in the long term.
I hope that's the plan, as it would be a great plan in this case!

I hope it is like that, I don't know if you remember when Roma was managed by Mourinho , for me he was very good, but I think Mourinho was disappointed since the moment he felt like he was robbed when it was the Europa League final, for me he is a coach who is very difficult to lose his temper with and that day he fought a lot , he got on the field and everything, I think at that moment I realized that he was announcing the clear corruption that is sometimes done to some teams, thinking about it well the reinforcements that Roma have right now are not bad, it is a good Indication for when Serie A also gets tough , tense and the players no longer have legs.

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 17, 2024, 11:58:06 AM

Quote from: Hirose UK on September 15, 2024, 09:49:16 PM

Long-term projects may be good because Roma will be able to have good performance in the future, but if in one or two season there is no improvement and all efforts are in vain then it is likely that De Rossi will lose his position as coach and Roma will get new coach and new plan too until finally Roma only focuses on all new plan that cannot produce any changes.
What is needed is not about plan in the long term but real proof in faster time considering the many team from each competition and if Roma only continues to lag behind then they will not be able to achieve the achievement of winning the title.
For now I admit that Roma has everything well from reliable players and also experienced coaches in Serie-A, they only need to develop all of this to be able to create competent and strong squad to be able to survive consistently in its best quality.

Yes, you're right, also as I was saying that these are hypotheses that I'm putting forward, no one really knows what the plan is. However, in my opinion, planning for the long term is better than planning for the short term, for a season.
You need to have a long vision that allows you to plan and take steps at the right times in order to optimize for the future

It doesn't seem right to say long-term for a manager, unless it's for young players then it would be right to say long-term plan. But when it comes to a head coach or a manager, the hope is for a quick success because so far the head coaches who have managed to stay with a team for a long time have done well.

There are many examples, for example like Diego Simeone at Atletico who managed to make Atletico always in the top four of La Liga and always enter the Champion League, Diego Simeone managed to make good results for the team from season to season so Atletico kept Diego Simeone. There are also other examples such as Pep Guardiola also at Manchester City who managed to make Manchester City dominate the Premier League. In essence,they really managed to make the team improve every season so it was worth it for them to be retained.

But about De Rossi? I think AS Roma should already be looking for a new manager, at least make preparations faster it will be better if later AS Roma continues to get bad results then AS Roma already has the right manager to replace De Rossi.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on September 15, 2024, 09:49:16 PM

Long-term projects may be good because Roma will be able to have good performance in the future, but if in one or two season there is no improvement and all efforts are in vain then it is likely that De Rossi will lose his position as coach and Roma will get new coach and new plan too until finally Roma only focuses on all new plan that cannot produce any changes.
What is needed is not about plan in the long term but real proof in faster time considering the many team from each competition and if Roma only continues to lag behind then they will not be able to achieve the achievement of winning the title.
For now I admit that Roma has everything well from reliable players and also experienced coaches in Serie-A, they only need to develop all of this to be able to create competent and strong squad to be able to survive consistently in its best quality.

Yes, you're right, also as I was saying that these are hypotheses that I'm putting forward, no one really knows what the plan is. However, in my opinion, planning for the long term is better than planning for the short term, for a season.
You need to have a long vision that allows you to plan and take steps at the right times in order to optimize for the future

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Team	Point
Udinese	10
Napoli	9
Inter	8
Juve	8
Torino	8
Lazio	7
Verona	6
Empoli	6
Atalanta	6
Milan	5
Genoa	5
Parma	4
Lecce	4
Fiorentina	3
Monza	3
Roma	3
Bologna	3
Como	2
Cagliari	2
Venezia	1

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Quote from: swogerino on September 16, 2024, 01:16:45 AM

I also had so high expectations for Inter Milan that I did bet on them to score over 2.5 goals only them and surely this is not the way to win a Serie A title although we are very early into the season. I think that there is enough time and surely Inter has the capability and players above all to change things around until the end of the season. In fact I would now bet on them to win the title if the odd is good enough and we are very unclear who the most favorite team to win the title is.

Something is really wrong with Lautaro Martinez these days also. Sad

He is still not able to make any score contribution. He isn't even trying his best to contribute in other ways. I wonder if his mind is busy with something else lately.

When Thuram and Martinez both play poorly, this happens. But Thuram is of course much better as for scoring until now. I hope Martinez also pulls himself together soon. Juventus also lost points against Empoli. It looks like Napoli are benefiting from this situation really nicely with Conte. Grin

I know yeah, Udinese are the leader now but I don't think they can keep that up for a long time. Sometimes we see underdogs making impressive starts. It's just one of them.

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Inter will get greater again, this is just a situation that took them for one week. Obviously betting on them was a great loss and it wasn't a good one, I did lose some money from this as well but that is also a great thing because in the end we can bet on them again next week and this time bet a lot more and they will probably end up winning and we will end up getting a greater result without much issues.

If you think about the same thing then we are going to see this a good profit. Not like Inter loses or draws back to back, they end up getting a win and I bet that next week they will end up getting a week. If nothing else, if they end up failing to win again next week then it is 99.99% chance that they will win the other one so we can keep doing this and that will do a lot better with time and keep betting more and more. This is why I think we should be considering betting more and more with time to make that getting greater results and do fine in the end.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 16, 2024, 01:16:45 AM

Quote from: BABY SHOES on September 15, 2024, 05:33:03 PM

Expectations are too excessive maybe at Inter Milan I thought this team would win but had to fail to win to win perfect points, the article is the last match that I am waiting to see the winning parlay but seeing the match is really a little upset because several times Inter Milan made attacks that failed to become goals.

I know this is upsetting... What can make the match will be a little surprising than we expected... Maybe next week will be a tense match because of the Milan Derby.

I also had so high expectations for Inter Milan that I did bet on them to score over 2.5 goals only them and surely this is not the way to win a Serie A title although we are very early into the season. I think that there is enough time and surely Inter has the capability and players above all to change things around until the end of the season. In fact I would now bet on them to win the title if the odd is good enough and we are very unclear who the most favorite team to win the title is.

It's just annoying that last night's match is still getting carried away now... maybe with your bet of 2.5 goals over it should lose the bet.
Of course if you think about the long time in Serie A it is still long and Inter Milan's journey will be better then it is possible that this team will win the Scudetto again this season.

Now Inter Milan will meet Manchester City this is a little doubtful the Serie A team will win, maybe I will avoid it.

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Quote from: BABY SHOES on September 15, 2024, 05:33:03 PM

Expectations are too excessive maybe at Inter Milan I thought this team would win but had to fail to win to win perfect points, the article is the last match that I am waiting to see the winning parlay but seeing the match is really a little upset because several times Inter Milan made attacks that failed to become goals.

I know this is upsetting... What can make the match will be a little surprising than we expected... Maybe next week will be a tense match because of the Milan Derby.

I also had so high expectations for Inter Milan that I did bet on them to score over 2.5 goals only them and surely this is not the way to win a Serie A title although we are very early into the season. I think that there is enough time and surely Inter has the capability and players above all to change things around until the end of the season. In fact I would now bet on them to win the title if the odd is good enough and we are very unclear who the most favorite team to win the title is.

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Quote from: bastisisca on September 13, 2024, 11:53:42 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on September 12, 2024, 06:24:48 PM

That is something that is difficult to do sometimes, that is where the coach has to bring out all his magic to make things work wonderfully for everyone. I personally have always said that the biggest problem for teams is when they don't understand each other. In a football team, harmony is very important, even for the players to see each other almost as brothers, but if it is a war of egos, or any other problem, things will be more difficult to flow They should do it because they have a very good squad.

Maybe we are faced with a long-term project, these reinforcements may not be needed for this season but for next and Roma and De Rossi are trying to buy excellent players for free in order to build in the long term.
I hope that's the plan, as it would be a great plan in this case!

Long-term projects may be good because Roma will be able to have good performance in the future, but if in one or two season there is no improvement and all efforts are in vain then it is likely that De Rossi will lose his position as coach and Roma will get new coach and new plan too until finally Roma only focuses on all new plan that cannot produce any changes.
What is needed is not about plan in the long term but real proof in faster time considering the many team from each competition and if Roma only continues to lag behind then they will not be able to achieve the achievement of winning the title.
For now I admit that Roma has everything well from reliable players and also experienced coaches in Serie-A, they only need to develop all of this to be able to create competent and strong squad to be able to survive consistently in its best quality.

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Expectations are too excessive maybe at Inter Milan I thought this team would win but had to fail to win to win perfect points, the article is the last match that I am waiting to see the winning parlay but seeing the match is really a little upset because several times Inter Milan made attacks that failed to become goals.

I know this is upsetting... What can make the match will be a little surprising than we expected... Maybe next week will be a tense match because of the Milan Derby.

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This year the weakest of the top 5 leagues is definitely the Serie A. In my opinion there is no club left in the league that could dominate in European competitions. Napoli or Inter, who have been strong in recent years, are not so strong this year and can't manage to win against the weaker teams in the league. But you can't transfer the performance from the league 1:1 to the CL or EL, let's see how the Italians will do this week.

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Quote from: boltz on September 15, 2024, 06:16:20 AM

Hopefully Fiorentina will manage to get their 1st victory today because having 3 draws in first 3 games is not great at all and this is not a great start of the season for them. They will play against Atalanta which makes this game very difficult for both of teams to get points and Atalanta is having a way worse start of the season than Fiorentina and that makes Fiorentina favorites.

Torino vs Lecce should also be a great game but this one should be a good one for betting because Torino is do playing a great football and Lecce is having only 1 goal scored and 6 conceded. If I were to bet here I would have bet with Torino over 2.5 goals & win.

That was high pressure match for both teams because any team could win this match but the Atalanta team luck was good and they won the match in the end . They did 3 goals in this match and Fiorentina team did 2 goals and Lookman did last goal of the match and his goal decided the result of this match. Before his goal,the score of both teams was equal and we were expecting that the match will be draw but De Ketelaere did second goal for his team and team got good position and after Lookman got opportunity and took benefit from that and he did goal easily and his team won the match after a good fighting match. All fans were happy because that was interesting match and everyone enjoyed the performance of good performer.

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Quote from: boltz on September 15, 2024, 06:16:20 AM

Hopefully Fiorentina will manage to get their 1st victory today because having 3 draws in first 3 games is not great at all and this is not a great start of the season for them. They will play against Atalanta which makes this game very difficult for both of teams to get points and Atalanta is having a way worse start of the season than Fiorentina and that makes Fiorentina favorites.

Torino vs Lecce should also be a great game but this one should be a good one for betting because Torino is do playing a great football and Lecce is having only 1 goal scored and 6 conceded. If I were to bet here I would have bet with Torino over 2.5 goals & win.

It has been quite the show so far in the Atalanta - Fiorentina match. Don't you think the same? Grin

We have seen 5 goals scored and Atalanta still lead by 3-2. De Ketelaere is finally finding his rhythm by a goal and an assist. He didn't have good days at Milan before joining Atalanta. But after Atalanta used him on loan and he contributed very much, they made it permanent.

Roma wasted another chance and they still have 0 win after leaving 4 matches behind. What do you think about their future? De Rossi is like experiencing the bad times Arteta had at Arsenal in the first years. Tongue

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Quote from: giammangiato on September 04, 2024, 10:33:06 AM

Milan are doing very badly, only 2 points as you will surely have noticed from the rankings I posted...

Milan was one team I thought would fight for the league this season. I predicted Inter, Juventus, Milan and Napoli. So far only Inter and Juventus have soon potential to be league contenders.
I know the season is still very early, but recently in the Serie A if you start the season poorly, you're not going to win the league because the league has become so competitive to an extent that by the time you pick form, the other teams ahead of you won't let you overthrow them.
Inter was excellent all through last season till they gave the rest a reasonable gap. The same with Napoli the season before that.
What's more interesting about the Serie A is that there are so many teams that are ready to take up that Champions League spot so if you don't start the season in strong form before you know it, you'll be fighting for a place in the champions with someone else and that person won't let you overtake them. I like the competition in the league and quite frankly, I don't think Milan will be among league contenders this season.

Milan are unstoppable at home against Venezia which is currently at halftime, because Milan managed to win 4-0 in the first half and of course, it proves that Milan are not as bad as imagined. Although I also realize that Milan started this season with poor results and not only that, because rumors are also circulating that the Milan coach is threatened with being fired if he still fails to restore Milan. But anyway, in this match against Venezia Milan managed to score a goal from the 2nd minute and it was a quick goal which of course they also showed good quality.

So yes, the point is Milan still have a chance to continue to improve their performance for the better and improve their position in the Serie A standings of course to be able to compete strongly in the topfour or maybe also be part of the team fighting for the Scudetto this season. By the way, there is still a second half for the Milan vs Venezia match and I think it is likely that Milan will still enlarge its victory until the final whistle is blown.

Yes, yesterday AC Milan played an excellent match which led to a great victory for the team over their opponent, but let's also say that AC Milan can still improve a lot and they have some very important matches in the Champions League area and so we need to see how the team will be affected by this. squad !

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