⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2023/2024⚽ - page 23.

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Quote from: bastisisca on July 02, 2024, 09:42:06 AM

Quote from: boltz on June 29, 2024, 03:24:22 PM

He can see the effect of Italy being eliminated from Euro right ? The effect is that Italy doesn't have top players in their top 5 teams in Italian Scudetto and if they won't solve this problem , I'm afraid they will fail to qualify to World Cup for 2nd time in a row. Sure , this team of Italy has been bad from all angles but to be eliminated with just 1 shot against Swiss , makes you think that it was just pure luck from their side to actually reach this phase and it would have been way more entertained to see Croatia instead of Italy.

Hopefully , some young talented players will rise in Italy in this season and they will catch some big transfers in top 4-5 teams to have time and develop their skill in order to give hopes once again to Italian national football. Undecided

Truly a super embarrassing performance.
I don't know if going out like this or not participating is worse.
The team owes us an apology on their knees, but in reality, thinking about it, they couldn't do much as many of the players were quite mediocre (except for the goalkeeper).
Unfortunately, we have been really disgusting for many years now, more than a decade.

Yes indeed, the Italian national team is still not good and thus, it is indeed the right time at least the teams in Serie A can maximize the potential of the Italian national team players. Because thus, it will certainly make the quality of the Italian national team will also be better and of course to improve their quality. But at least, Italy still managed to qualify for the last 16 eventhough in the end they were eliminated and with this failure, it will certainly make a lesson for them to be able to make better efforts. But even so, that does not mean Serie A is not interesting because of course, the competition in Serie A will remain interesting even though the Italian national team fell at the euro this time and it will not have a bad impact on Serie A competition.

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Quote from: boltz on June 29, 2024, 03:24:22 PM

He can see the effect of Italy being eliminated from Euro right ? The effect is that Italy doesn't have top players in their top 5 teams in Italian Scudetto and if they won't solve this problem , I'm afraid they will fail to qualify to World Cup for 2nd time in a row. Sure , this team of Italy has been bad from all angles but to be eliminated with just 1 shot against Swiss , makes you think that it was just pure luck from their side to actually reach this phase and it would have been way more entertained to see Croatia instead of Italy.

Hopefully , some young talented players will rise in Italy in this season and they will catch some big transfers in top 4-5 teams to have time and develop their skill in order to give hopes once again to Italian national football. Undecided

Truly a super embarrassing performance.
I don't know if going out like this or not participating is worse.
The team owes us an apology on their knees, but in reality, thinking about it, they couldn't do much as many of the players were quite mediocre (except for the goalkeeper).
Unfortunately, we have been really disgusting for many years now, more than a decade.

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Quote from: boltz on June 29, 2024, 03:24:22 PM

He can see the effect of Italy being eliminated from Euro right ? The effect is that Italy doesn't have top players in their top 5 teams in Italian Scudetto and if they won't solve this problem , I'm afraid they will fail to qualify to World Cup for 2nd time in a row. Sure , this team of Italy has been bad from all angles but to be eliminated with just 1 shot against Swiss , makes you think that it was just pure luck from their side to actually reach this phase and it would have been way more entertained to see Croatia instead of Italy.

Hopefully , some young talented players will rise in Italy in this season and they will catch some big transfers in top 4-5 teams to have time and develop their skill in order to give hopes once again to Italian national football. Undecided

a few years ago in series A it was made up of many great Italian players and when they were called up to play in the Italian national team, it was normal to see the starting 11 only made up of famous Italian players, but today it is difficult to see famous Italian players going to play outside the Italy or even in Serie A. We only have to look at the 4 big teams in Italy, which are the best players on each team to be shocked, in Inter for example there is Lautaro Martinez who is not Italian, he is Argentine. in Milan for example we will see rafael leao who is Portuguese, in roma for example we will see dybala or lukaku, in napoli we will see victor osimhen who is nigerian and the saddest thing Is that even in small teams the scenario is the same.

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He can see the effect of Italy being eliminated from Euro right ? The effect is that Italy doesn't have top players in their top 5 teams in Italian Scudetto and if they won't solve this problem , I'm afraid they will fail to qualify to World Cup for 2nd time in a row. Sure , this team of Italy has been bad from all angles but to be eliminated with just 1 shot against Swiss , makes you think that it was just pure luck from their side to actually reach this phase and it would have been way more entertained to see Croatia instead of Italy.

Hopefully , some young talented players will rise in Italy in this season and they will catch some big transfers in top 4-5 teams to have time and develop their skill in order to give hopes once again to Italian national football. Undecided

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on June 28, 2024, 05:49:48 PM

I think finish in the top is a realistic target for the next season. AC Milan is no longer very strong and Bologna changed the coach, these teams may perform worse in the next season. If AS Roma can improve their performance, AS Roma can join the competition for UCL zone and even the race for the title as well. But there are several things to be improved by De Rossi. The defense line of AS Roma looks not strong enough and AS Roma only has a high chance to win when it is a home match. In the season 2023-2024, they experienced many losses in away matches. De Rossi also needs to improve the mentality of the players. They can't get optimum points if they are only superior at home only.

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Sure, if they can play in UCL, they will get more income. There will be more sponsorships and more top players will join the club. Since most players dream to play in UCL, it will be easier to attract them to join if AS Roma regularly play in UCL. I agree if De Rossi may be easier to build AS Roma if they succeed to finish in UCL zone.

Milan weren't competitive for the Serie A title in the previous season. So yeah I can't also say they are that strong these days. Fonseca has taken over so I'm curious about what they will do next time. They like to spend money in summer transfer windows however they prefer to buy as many players as possible with that amount at the same time. Grin

When it comes to Roma, they would really make use of some transfers to get stronger. They are playing more attacking and scoring easier but I agree that their defense is still in bad shape. Sad

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Quote from: Sg4j1n3ll0 on June 28, 2024, 08:36:28 AM

Quote from: Marvell1 on June 27, 2024, 01:15:13 PM

Lukaku might probably not be the best value for money deal that any club can get right now. He is not performing that well. His last season was not so good, but his 22/23 season was so much glory, from a player like him, huge number of goals are expected. The problem is at this moment he is not being able to provide that.

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Romelu Lukaku is stotom semper an overwhelmed Altatue player, he would not surprise me that it would be another flop for the team that would take him, I see him as a mercenary who is very attached to the money that to football, it was enough for me to see it when every time he promised faith to A team and then return to Chelsea and say that it was the best team of all, overrated!

Overrated or underrated, for me he is actually the biggest meme potential. The number of Lakaka memes that he has given us is absolutely incredible.

Anyway let's get serious, how can a striker miss so much? At this point, I don’t think he is actually someone good, let alone someone special. Because it seems like he is almost always at the right place at the right time. But somehow he manages to miss the chances that he has. it is unbelievable how many chances he does miss.

Quote from: bastisisca on June 28, 2024, 08:49:05 AM

It depends on how much it costs, if it costs little it can still be a bargain. He doesn't perform as well as he did in the past but in any case he scored 13 goals, it's not a bad deal, if it doesn't cost a lot.
It all depends on that, on the price Chelsea wants to make, if it costs a lot then it becomes unprofitable.

Yes, I absolutely agree that money is the biggest thing here. If he is not costing a lot of money, it is obviously not going to be a good valley. It is not going to cost a lot of money, maybe they can get him. The best thing will be if they can get him for free. Which is definitely not happening. I know that Chelsea wants to sell him for as much money as they can. I don’t know if that is the best approach that Chelsea should have. I think Chelsea should sell him for what they see fit for him. he will have to lower the money otherwise they might actually have to let him go for free.

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Quote from: giammangiato on June 28, 2024, 08:33:05 AM

Exactly, finishing in the top 4 would already be the best result he can get and certainly his real goal.
Going to the Champions League many things can be done with the money that comes from sponsors, from the Cup, in short everything changes.
After that he can continue to build and do better, but that is really the first step.

I think finish in the top is a realistic target for the next season. AC Milan is no longer very strong and Bologna changed the coach, these teams may perform worse in the next season. If AS Roma can improve their performance, AS Roma can join the competition for UCL zone and even the race for the title as well. But there are several things to be improved by De Rossi. The defense line of AS Roma looks not strong enough and AS Roma only has a high chance to win when it is a home match. In the season 2023-2024, they experienced many losses in away matches. De Rossi also needs to improve the mentality of the players. They can't get optimum points if they are only superior at home only.

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Sure, if they can play in UCL, they will get more income. There will be more sponsorships and more top players will join the club. Since most players dream to play in UCL, it will be easier to attract them to join if AS Roma regularly play in UCL. I agree if De Rossi may be easier to build AS Roma if they succeed to finish in UCL zone.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on June 27, 2024, 01:15:13 PM

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Lukaku might probably not be the best value for money deal that any club can get right now. He is not performing that well. His last season was not so good, but his 22/23 season was so much glory, from a player like him, huge number of goals are expected. The problem is at this moment he is not being able to provide that.

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It depends on how much it costs, if it costs little it can still be a bargain. He doesn't perform as well as he did in the past but in any case he scored 13 goals, it's not a bad deal, if it doesn't cost a lot.
It all depends on that, on the price Chelsea wants to make, if it costs a lot then it becomes unprofitable.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on June 27, 2024, 01:15:13 PM

Quote from: SmartCharpa on June 26, 2024, 10:42:52 AM

Quote from: klidex on June 25, 2024, 10:58:16 PM

Glad to hear that the coach is still coaching Roma for next season because since Roma changed hands from Jose Mourinho the club has experienced quite good improvements and giving De Rossi the opportunity to coach the club longer is a very good decision. We have to see how De Rossi manages the Roma club from because at the start of the season he coached Roma only towards the end of the season so Roma couldn't feel his overall development.

De Rossi has a way so that Roma can play more competitively, he abandon the tactics that Mourinho left behind the club really needs to change strategy not only in terms of tactics but also player changes but Roma doesn't have a good financial system to recruit many players but for me De Rossi he just needs to hone his players' skills solidly like the system used by Xabi Alonso so he doesn't need to spend a lot of money because last season's Roma players also had good performances. But one thing that De Rossi needs to do is make it permanent Romelu Lukaku who played an important role for Roma last season who scored a lot of goals for Roma.

Danielle De Rossi performed well with Roma last season after being fired by an Italian club in the second division. However, some of us doubted his ability to manage the club because he lacked the experience he needed to manage a big club like Roma. De Rossi deserves to remain in the club because he managed to move them from the middle of the league to 6th place at the end of the season, that was an amazing job because the team was performing badly under Mourinho, and Roma could not win some of their games against tough opponents.

Roma is currently not financially good, which is why they cannot sign quality players. De Rossi did not have his own, if the club did not have the money to invest in signing Lukaku in a permanent contract, he wouldn't change their decision, Roma management wants to keep Lukaku on loan for another season, and Chelsea does not want to loan him out anymore. Chelsea is willing to sell Lukaku for € 38m, but Roma management does not agree with the price. However, Napoli is also interesting to sign Lukaku since Conte believe he will be best striker if they sign him, the deal is not yet done. Let's see what happens before the next season starts.

De Rossi had initial success. But the club is after long-term success. And looking at a coach for only half of a season is definitely not enough to know if he is a good coach or not for the club. So they have made the right decision to actually give him another chance. If they did not give him another chance, it would have been unfair to him. Maybe changing José Mourinho was not the right thing to do in the first place but that is already done. At least they are not changing De Rossi.

Lukaku might probably not be the best value for money deal that any club can get right now. He is not performing that well. His last season was not so good, but his 22/23 season was so much glory, from a player like him, huge number of goals are expected. The problem is at this moment he is not being able to provide that.

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Romelu Lukaku is stotom semper an overwhelmed Altatue player, he would not surprise me that it would be another flop for the team that would take him, I see him as a mercenary who is very attached to the money that to football, it was enough for me to see it when every time he promised faith to A team and then return to Chelsea and say that it was the best team of all, overrated!

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on June 27, 2024, 02:44:07 PM

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The first step for De Rossi should be to help this team finish next season in top 4. Earning a Champions League ticket would be a good start. They will need to take it slow and steady.

Exactly, finishing in the top 4 would already be the best result he can get and certainly his real goal.
Going to the Champions League many things can be done with the money that comes from sponsors, from the Cup, in short everything changes.
After that he can continue to build and do better, but that is really the first step.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on June 26, 2024, 09:07:18 AM

He is also a player now turned coach who knows in and out of this club. He knows the loopholes lacking and how to patch them up. Hopefully, he gets the backing they never gave Jose Mourinho.

This is why I'm excited about him the most.

There is a trend of appointing young managers these days. Xabi Alonso has a huge effect on that though. His success started a new era for new managers like him.

Can De Rossi be like him? It is hard to be confident of it of course. But he doesn't need to be exactly like him in fact. Because Xabi Alonso's last season work was something else, it is too difficult to match that. Grin

The first step for De Rossi should be to help this team finish next season in top 4. Earning a Champions League ticket would be a good start. They will need to take it slow and steady.

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Quote from: SmartCharpa on June 26, 2024, 10:42:52 AM

Quote from: klidex on June 25, 2024, 10:58:16 PM

Glad to hear that the coach is still coaching Roma for next season because since Roma changed hands from Jose Mourinho the club has experienced quite good improvements and giving De Rossi the opportunity to coach the club longer is a very good decision. We have to see how De Rossi manages the Roma club from because at the start of the season he coached Roma only towards the end of the season so Roma couldn't feel his overall development.

De Rossi has a way so that Roma can play more competitively, he abandon the tactics that Mourinho left behind the club really needs to change strategy not only in terms of tactics but also player changes but Roma doesn't have a good financial system to recruit many players but for me De Rossi he just needs to hone his players' skills solidly like the system used by Xabi Alonso so he doesn't need to spend a lot of money because last season's Roma players also had good performances. But one thing that De Rossi needs to do is make it permanent Romelu Lukaku who played an important role for Roma last season who scored a lot of goals for Roma.

Danielle De Rossi performed well with Roma last season after being fired by an Italian club in the second division. However, some of us doubted his ability to manage the club because he lacked the experience he needed to manage a big club like Roma. De Rossi deserves to remain in the club because he managed to move them from the middle of the league to 6th place at the end of the season, that was an amazing job because the team was performing badly under Mourinho, and Roma could not win some of their games against tough opponents.

Roma is currently not financially good, which is why they cannot sign quality players. De Rossi did not have his own, if the club did not have the money to invest in signing Lukaku in a permanent contract, he wouldn't change their decision, Roma management wants to keep Lukaku on loan for another season, and Chelsea does not want to loan him out anymore. Chelsea is willing to sell Lukaku for € 38m, but Roma management does not agree with the price. However, Napoli is also interesting to sign Lukaku since Conte believe he will be best striker if they sign him, the deal is not yet done. Let's see what happens before the next season starts.

De Rossi had initial success. But the club is after long-term success. And looking at a coach for only half of a season is definitely not enough to know if he is a good coach or not for the club. So they have made the right decision to actually give him another chance. If they did not give him another chance, it would have been unfair to him. Maybe changing José Mourinho was not the right thing to do in the first place but that is already done. At least they are not changing De Rossi.

Lukaku might probably not be the best value for money deal that any club can get right now. He is not performing that well. His last season was not so good, but his 22/23 season was so much glory, from a player like him, huge number of goals are expected. The problem is at this moment he is not being able to provide that.

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Quote from: giammangiato on June 27, 2024, 10:16:27 AM

Quote from: DaNNy001 on June 27, 2024, 01:17:54 AM

Roma no doubt has really improve and their offence is now more active and that's the difference between Mourinho and other coaches, I feel he kinda holds back with his offence and focus more on the defense line but in football offence is probably the defense. And I think fans and football spectators enjoy an offensive gameplay than the defense and for the De Rossi it's actually working but recruiting more players to help enforce the style would help.

It improved a lot last season, thanks to Romero Lukaku's 13 goals, but now without him how will it do?
It has to replace him with an equally good striker and this is not at all trivial if you think about it. I don't know if DeRossi is thinking about it, I think so. We'll see in the next few weeks of the transfer market.

Well what Roma can only do is to actually find a replacement for him and nothing more as the normal trend of football, no matter how good the is there is eventually going to be a time when he is gonna leave the club and this is simply what Roma has done or should I say lukaku has done because I believe if it were up to Roma I think they wouldn't have let him leave.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on June 27, 2024, 01:17:54 AM

Roma no doubt has really improve and their offence is now more active and that's the difference between Mourinho and other coaches, I feel he kinda holds back with his offence and focus more on the defense line but in football offence is probably the defense. And I think fans and football spectators enjoy an offensive gameplay than the defense and for the De Rossi it's actually working but recruiting more players to help enforce the style would help.

It improved a lot last season, thanks to Romero Lukaku's 13 goals, but now without him how will it do?
It has to replace him with an equally good striker and this is not at all trivial if you think about it. I don't know if DeRossi is thinking about it, I think so. We'll see in the next few weeks of the transfer market.

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Quote from: giammangiato on June 26, 2024, 09:33:05 AM

Quote from: Hirose UK on June 25, 2024, 11:40:52 PM

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Currently, Juventus is still the best and most successful in the Serie A competition with the most titles, this proves that they are still at the top as the team that dominates Serie A.
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Here, since you took the history of Juventus you can well understand how frustrating it can be to have two really bad seasons like they were.
A disgrace.
So for this I hope that next season we will see something better than what has happened in the past. I really hope so.

I personally doubt Juve will have a great season in 24/25 because they don't have a great squad and they don't have the necessary money to make new transfers either but I do see them finish in top 4.

For me , it's way more concerning the fact that Italian players don't have a place in top 4 teams in their own country and we can see this clearly at Euro where players from Sassuolo or Cagliari are entering the pitch and we don't see players from Juve , Milan or Inter. I also think if they don't solve this problem , Italy will miss again the World Cup.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on June 21, 2024, 02:55:57 PM

Roma is giving De Rossi a second chance. It is nice to see that decision because he didn't have a good amount of time to make this team much more competitive. There has been some progress in Roma's offense side since he took the job though.

This team always needed to play more offensive and this is what De Rossi is doing now. He is getting rid of boring Mourinho tactics. This is promising for next season. However there is still a need of making some improvements by new transfers. Roma isn't very rich these days so they can't allocate a huge transfer budget. De Rossi will need to manage it really carefully. I hope they keep their best players at the team this summer.

Roma no doubt has really improve and their offence is now more active and that's the difference between Mourinho and other coaches, I feel he kinda holds back with his offence and focus more on the defense line but in football offence is probably the defense. And I think fans and football spectators enjoy an offensive gameplay than the defense and for the De Rossi it's actually working but recruiting more players to help enforce the style would help.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on June 21, 2024, 02:55:57 PM

Roma is giving De Rossi a second chance. It is nice to see that decision because he didn't have a good amount of time to make this team much more competitive. There has been some progress in Roma's offense side since he took the job though.

This team always needed to play more offensive and this is what De Rossi is doing now. He is getting rid of boring Mourinho tactics. This is promising for next season. However there is still a need of making some improvements by new transfers. Roma isn't very rich these days so they can't allocate a huge transfer budget. De Rossi will need to manage it really carefully. I hope they keep their best players at the team this summer.

Indeed, Roma should give De Rossi a second chance to show that his care can make Roma even better. because it's not surprising that the new coach hasn't been able to make his team better because maybe their adaptation time takes quite a long time. Also, Roma should be patient a little longer, because it's rare for a team to get a new coach and then they can immediately become a strong team with excellent performance. Of course, to have better performance it takes a certain amount of time, besides that it also depends on the coach. because there are trainers who adapt quickly and there are also those who need quite a long time.

It is also an obstacle that there is no recruitment of better players, because it is difficult for coaches to play with the minimum players. Just know that all coaches definitely have their own tastes, so if they don't play the way they want, it might be difficult because it seems like they have to be the best.

There is no choice but to give a chance to a coach who has currently provided very good improvements and if Roma force to terminate De Rossi's contract, I am not sure Roma will achieve success in the coming season.
De Rossi could have achieved success when he was first with Roma but he needed lots of new players with high performance talent while Roma's financial condition was also one of the reasons why De Rossi understood the club's current condition but he proved that he was a very wise coach.

In the coming season, Roma must give this coach a little freedom to at least bring in 1 striker player who is targeted by De Rossi so that he can provide greater improvement and be able to compete strongly in the UEL.
Now we don't need to focus too much on what has passed and now we just need to give encouragement to Roma and this reliable coach so that the club can get a title in the UEL or a title in another competition and let last season's mistakes be a lesson.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on June 21, 2024, 02:55:57 PM

Roma is giving De Rossi a second chance. It is nice to see that decision because he didn't have a good amount of time to make this team much more competitive. There has been some progress in Roma's offense side since he took the job though.

This team always needed to play more offensive and this is what De Rossi is doing now. He is getting rid of boring Mourinho tactics. This is promising for next season. However there is still a need of making some improvements by new transfers. Roma isn't very rich these days so they can't allocate a huge transfer budget. De Rossi will need to manage it really carefully. I hope they keep their best players at the team this summer.

De Rossi deserves to get another chance. Even if he couldn't lead AS Roma to win a trophy, he could improve the performance of AS Roma. It is not easy to strengthen AS Roma, it should take time and a long process. However, De Rossi showed a positive progress and he make a good relationship among the players. In Mourinho era, the relationship among players and the coach were quite bad. AS Roma has done the right decision to change Mourinho with De Rossi.

I agree that De Rossi makes AS Roma to play more dynamic. They can play more offensive and have a good team-work. Although AS Roma looked not strong enough due to the quality of the squad, but they can play better during De Rossi management. I think before the new season begins, De Rossi needs to improve the quality of the squad. The defenders are mostly average players and they have lack of wingers. This should be the priority of De Rossi because these can be the weaknesses of AS Roma.

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Quote from: klidex on June 25, 2024, 10:58:16 PM

Glad to hear that the coach is still coaching Roma for next season because since Roma changed hands from Jose Mourinho the club has experienced quite good improvements and giving De Rossi the opportunity to coach the club longer is a very good decision. We have to see how De Rossi manages the Roma club from because at the start of the season he coached Roma only towards the end of the season so Roma couldn't feel his overall development.

De Rossi has a way so that Roma can play more competitively, he abandon the tactics that Mourinho left behind the club really needs to change strategy not only in terms of tactics but also player changes but Roma doesn't have a good financial system to recruit many players but for me De Rossi he just needs to hone his players' skills solidly like the system used by Xabi Alonso so he doesn't need to spend a lot of money because last season's Roma players also had good performances. But one thing that De Rossi needs to do is make it permanent Romelu Lukaku who played an important role for Roma last season who scored a lot of goals for Roma.

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Danielle De Rossi performed well with Roma last season after being fired by an Italian club in the second division. However, some of us doubted his ability to manage the club because he lacked the experience he needed to manage a big club like Roma. De Rossi deserves to remain in the club because he managed to move them from the middle of the league to 6th place at the end of the season, that was an amazing job because the team was performing badly under Mourinho, and Roma could not win some of their games against tough opponents.

Roma is currently not financially good, which is why they cannot sign quality players. De Rossi did not have his own, if the club did not have the money to invest in signing Lukaku in a permanent contract, he wouldn't change their decision, Roma management wants to keep Lukaku on loan for another season, and Chelsea does not want to loan him out anymore. Chelsea is willing to sell Lukaku for € 38m, but Roma management does not agree with the price. However, Napoli is also interesting to sign Lukaku since Conte believe he will be best striker if they sign him, the deal is not yet done. Let's see what happens before the next season starts.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on June 25, 2024, 11:40:52 PM

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Currently, Juventus is still the best and most successful in the Serie A competition with the most titles, this proves that they are still at the top as the team that dominates Serie A.
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Here, since you took the history of Juventus you can well understand how frustrating it can be to have two really bad seasons like they were.
A disgrace.
So for this I hope that next season we will see something better than what has happened in the past. I really hope so.

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