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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on July 20, 2024, 01:37:04 PM

There is still a crisis at Napoli. Sad

Osimhen's future is still unclear. PSG is interested but no agreement between the clubs yet. Antonio Conte wants his centre-forward to be clear as soon as possible for next season.

If Osimhen leaves, Napoli is going to bring Lukaku in his place most probably. This is because him and Conte have a good relationship from the past. They are both okay to work together in fact but this situation needs to be clarified immediately. If Osimhen stays I wonder where Lukaku will go. I haven't heard any other European club being interested. Maybe Saudi Arabia could be the last resort. At least he could make a great deal of money. Tongue

The season hasn't started yet and it's already a crisis? I already know whose fault it is, obviously President De Laurentis.
He didn't understand that he has to lower the price of Osimhen, there's no point in getting angry over stupid things like that.
It will lead the team to decline to do this way.
It is destroying in a short time what has been built over years and years.

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There is still a crisis at Napoli. Sad

Osimhen's future is still unclear. PSG is interested but no agreement between the clubs yet. Antonio Conte wants his centre-forward to be clear as soon as possible for next season.

If Osimhen leaves, Napoli is going to bring Lukaku in his place most probably. This is because him and Conte have a good relationship from the past. They are both okay to work together in fact but this situation needs to be clarified immediately. If Osimhen stays I wonder where Lukaku will go. I haven't heard any other European club being interested. Maybe Saudi Arabia could be the last resort. At least he could make a great deal of money. Tongue

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Quote from: klidex on July 18, 2024, 11:28:27 PM

Quote from: giammangiato on July 18, 2024, 09:24:09 AM

Quote from: panjul07 on July 17, 2024, 10:49:37 AM

What Juventus fans need to do is that they should not expect too much in the first season with the new coach and new players.
It wont be easy task for Motta to manage Juventus, although he could do something great with Bologna but it does not mean that he will be able to do the same thing with Juventus.
Of course it is reasonable if the fans and management want to see instant achievement, but expecting too much may give bigger regret then they may blame Motta in the first year or maybe in few matches in the new season.

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What worse could happen than the last two seasons? I don't think we can do worse
so ahead everything that arrives will be good and beautiful compared to the past
so I look with extreme positivity at what can honestly happen and I'm happy this way

Yes, hopefully next season will not be worse than the previous season because Thiago Motta has the ability to build a club, the hopes of the fans will definitely want the Serie A title but it is not easy in the coach's first season at least Juventus' performance remains stable and is in the top 3 and that is a good start, especially if in the Champions League Juventus can go further, that will add plus value for the coach like Inter Milan did in the previous season, last season none of the Serie A representative clubs reached further, only finishing in round of 16 I hope next season there will be better changes Wink

I understand that Motta made Bologna 5th, which was way more than what people expected Bologna could ever do, and they had a great winning streak as well, so all of that made it possible for people to have some results that was awesome for Motta to show.

But Juventus is a different beast, being in top five isn't an achievement there, hell Juventus finished above Bologna and still fired their manager. Success for them is to win the league, and if they fail to win the league then it is not success at all. I believe that even being second would not be ok, maybe you can keep your job if you are second, but even in that case you should show some promise, like almost win the cup or win the cup, or do fine at Europe or something.

In the end, he is going to have a much bigger challenge at his hands and I am not sure if Motta is ready for that or not. I can see that he is doing as well as he can hope for at Bologna, but Juventus could be tough. He should at least put the system in, they are training, if Juventus players could learn Mottas system, that would be a great start, would allow everyone to actually give them a chance, if the system fails here, then the whole test is over before it even starts and Motta will be gone.

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Quote from: giammangiato on July 19, 2024, 10:33:06 AM

Wait Wait. Yes, perhaps you are right that Juventus was right to fire Massimiliano Allegri, but when he was manager they gave him zero budget. We have to say this.
Maybe he didn't do well, but Juventus certainly didn't help the poor guy, eh.
I repeat, I gain nothing from defending him.

This was the exact situation. You are right about it. Allegri didn't have the same opportunities and he had to make use of what he had those times. Truthfully Juventus squad weren't good enough also. Sad

This is one of the main factors for his failure I think. I'm not finding excuses for this of course. The fans always wait for success no matter what.

Now Motta has good opportunities. I hope to see him not wasting them. He is a promising young manager. I believe in him to be much better at his job in time with this valuable experience at Juventus.

His time at Bologna was such a great example of development.

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Quote from: hahay on July 17, 2024, 02:57:35 PM

But I quite want Thiago Motta to keep the players who are in the current Juventus main squad. Because then, if later Thiago Motta managed to get good results with the players in the Allegri era, it could be proof that Juventus was right to fire Allegri and appoint Thiago Motta as the new Juventus head coach. But indeed, at least so far Juventus have just brought in two new players but at the same time Juventus have also not sold players yet at this moment.

Thus, then maybe Thiago Motta also did not completely overhaul the main Juventus squad because after all, I think Juventus already have quality players. Therefore, I really want to see the results if Thiago Motta will still use or play old Juventus players, although perhaps as time goes by there will be player sales but I am sure there will not be a complete overhaul.

Wait Wait. Yes, perhaps you are right that Juventus was right to fire Massimiliano Allegri, but when he was manager they gave him zero budget. We have to say this.
Maybe he didn't do well, but Juventus certainly didn't help the poor guy, eh.
I repeat, I gain nothing from defending him.

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Quote from: giammangiato on July 18, 2024, 09:24:09 AM

Quote from: panjul07 on July 17, 2024, 10:49:37 AM

What Juventus fans need to do is that they should not expect too much in the first season with the new coach and new players.
It wont be easy task for Motta to manage Juventus, although he could do something great with Bologna but it does not mean that he will be able to do the same thing with Juventus.
Of course it is reasonable if the fans and management want to see instant achievement, but expecting too much may give bigger regret then they may blame Motta in the first year or maybe in few matches in the new season.

I know I know, don't remind me
What worse could happen than the last two seasons? I don't think we can do worse
so ahead everything that arrives will be good and beautiful compared to the past
so I look with extreme positivity at what can honestly happen and I'm happy this way

Yes, hopefully next season will not be worse than the previous season because Thiago Motta has the ability to build a club, the hopes of the fans will definitely want the Serie A title but it is not easy in the coach's first season at least Juventus' performance remains stable and is in the top 3 and that is a good start, especially if in the Champions League Juventus can go further, that will add plus value for the coach like Inter Milan did in the previous season, last season none of the Serie A representative clubs reached further, only finishing in round of 16 I hope next season there will be better changes Wink

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on July 18, 2024, 06:53:56 PM

Milan has been active, but they still didn't sign any top player.

It is common strategy of AC Milan recent years and it is popular in Italian clubs too. They are no longer rich and have abundant transfer budgets for transfers like 1980s and 1990s or even 2000s. They have to use their scout teams to find youth players, grow them up like Rafael Leao, or to find free agents or players with good experience but low transfer cost.

AC Milan, Junvetus, Inter Milan and AS Roma are all using this approach for player transfers and they are not ready to join transfer competitions with rich clubs from La Liga and Premier League. Good news is last two seasons, their clubs got good performances in Champions League, Europa League and Conference League. But to have sustainable improvements, they must have better system for youth players.

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I doubt if Fonseca will apply 2 strikers. AC Milan current formation only needs 1 striker. So, it is very unlikely that AC Milan will sign both Morata and Tammy Abraham. If AC Milan successfully signs Morata, I'm very doubtful that Tammy Abraham will be interested to join AC Milan. He mustn't expect to sit on the bench.

In modern football, tactics with 2 strikers is not favorite one and coaches usually only use two traditional strikers at the same time when they need to find goals which are either a winning goal or equalizing goal to avoid a loss.

Tammy Abraham will not be too useful for AC Milan if he joins them. He is at far lower bar in quality compares to Morata and if Morata is far from top-notch quality, Tammy is worse than that.

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Quote from: Distraction on July 17, 2024, 08:59:59 AM

Milan is also having active days recently by the way. First signing Morata and now preparing to get Tammy Abraham from Roma. Morata can do a good work if Fonseca is planning to use a formation in which there are 2 strikers. Otherwise I don't think he would be much useful considering his playing style. He isn't a great finisher, he is more like a helper for the main striker. Wink

Milan has been active, but they still didn't sign any top player. I see they only sign a youngster from Real Madrid, Álex Jiménez (19). If they can sign Morata, I think it will bring a big impact to the club because AC Milan has no strong striker now. Morata is a great striker who ever played in Serie A, he also showed nice performance when he was playing in Serie A with Juventus. AC Milan also won't spend a lot of money, Morata market value is below €20m. But I'm not sure if Atletico Madrid will easily sell him because Atletico Madrid also has a lack of top striker (CF). Atletico only has few young strikers who won't be the mainstay player for Atletico Madrid for the next season.

I doubt if Fonseca will apply 2 strikers. AC Milan current formation only needs 1 striker. So, it is very unlikely that AC Milan will sign both Morata and Tammy Abraham. If AC Milan successfully signs Morata, I'm very doubtful that Tammy Abraham will be interested to join AC Milan. He mustn't expect to sit on the bench.

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Quote from: babo on July 17, 2024, 06:48:59 AM

Quote from: klidex on July 16, 2024, 09:29:45 PM

Quote from: bastisisca on July 16, 2024, 09:21:05 AM

I am convinced that they will want to maintain what currently exists, given that it works and certainly allows you to obtain subscriptions.

Seeing Inter Milan's success last season, of course they don't want to lose players who have contributed greatly to the club so that their performance remains consistent next season, but on the other hand, Inter Milan needs a budget to pay off its debts. If they don't sell players, how can they get money? they may be able to compete to win the title for prizes but seeing that the competition is not easy it will not guarantee that Inter will win while Milan's rivals, Juventus Napoli, are still Inter's main competitors.

You're right, but since we don't know how much the debt is, we can't draw any conclusions. We'll see how the issue evolves.
Clearly, if the debt bubble were to burst, I don't know what could happen, at every level obviously.
The team would certainly suffer and we would underperform.

I felt sad for Inter Milan because the debt is a huge one, roughly close to $900 millions, this alone make investors to be scared because of the huge debts, Inter Milan has the highest debt in series A club.

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OAKTREE TAKES OVER INTER MILAN AFTER DEBT PAYMENT FAILURE

Investment firm Oaktree Capital Management has taken ownership control of Inter Milan, one of the biggest brands in global soccer, after Inter’s owner, Suning, failed to repay a loan due this week with a balance of €395 million ($427 million based on current exchange rates).

“We recognize our responsibility to Inter Milan’s community, history and legacy,” Alejandro Cano, co-head of Europe for Oaktree’s Global Opportunities strategy, said in a statement Wednesday morning. “We are committed to the long-term success of the Nerazzurri and believe our ambitions for the club are united with those of its passionate fans in Italy and around the world. Our initial focus is operational and financial stability.”

Source link: https://www.sportico.com/leagues/soccer/2024/inter-milan-new-owner-debt-oaktree-1234779937/

I don't know if there is any update regarding this,

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Quote from: panjul07 on July 17, 2024, 10:49:37 AM

What Juventus fans need to do is that they should not expect too much in the first season with the new coach and new players.
It wont be easy task for Motta to manage Juventus, although he could do something great with Bologna but it does not mean that he will be able to do the same thing with Juventus.
Of course it is reasonable if the fans and management want to see instant achievement, but expecting too much may give bigger regret then they may blame Motta in the first year or maybe in few matches in the new season.

I know I know, don't remind me
What worse could happen than the last two seasons? I don't think we can do worse
so ahead everything that arrives will be good and beautiful compared to the past
so I look with extreme positivity at what can honestly happen and I'm happy this way

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Quote from: dezoel on July 17, 2024, 02:44:49 PM

Getting these players would definitely improve Juventus, but I wonder about two things which would be important. First of all, are we sure that we are going to see them financially be fine? After all they had some trouble before and we wouldn't want them to have the same issue again, they should make sure that they are buying these players with the money they have and following all the rules in order to make sure that they are not getting any points deductions later on, sometimes they may even do something without realizing, not because of sinister or shady reasons, but could be for incompetence reasons.

Secondly, I also think that they should be considering how weak their bench is, they are getting good starting level players, but they are ignoring the fact that they need some players who would be great for the bench as well. They have a big schedule, and will play many games, they need to get some people who would do fine, like rotating and helping with starters getting some rest. So far, they got nobody like that, and their bench is still weak, their starting players will be awesome, but the moment they get booked or injured or tired, they will suck and will not get any good results at all.

I don't know if Juventus will have a decent season or not, the certain thing is that Thiago Motta wants to give a good boost to his career.
So he's really focused a lot on doing the best and doing his best since this is his chance to go to the top coaches of Serie A
So I repeat, this makes me understand that there is hope.

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Quote from: giammangiato on July 17, 2024, 10:33:05 AM

Quote from: Sg4j1n3ll0 on July 17, 2024, 02:14:54 AM

I don't know if you've followed the latest news regarding the Juventus transfer market, they've practically revolutionized the team by selling players who were certainly too many and wouldn't have done well in that team, plus Thiago Motta is arriving and seems really intent on getting to the end , this year could really be the year of the championship and the champions, in terms of opponents I would say that it will be a very competitive championship with Inter who will certainly have a good championship and Napoli too, we'll see

They have truly revolutionized a team thanks to the intervention, certainly, of Thiago Motta who will have made things clear.
With a team like the one he had he couldn't do much, in fact I'm sorry that Massimiliano Allegri was attacked so harshly.
He did what he could with what he had.

But I quite want Thiago Motta to keep the players who are in the current Juventus main squad. Because then, if later Thiago Motta managed to get good results with the players in the Allegri era, it could be proof that Juventus was right to fire Allegri and appoint Thiago Motta as the new Juventus head coach. But indeed, at least so far Juventus have just brought in two new players but at the same time Juventus have also not sold players yet at this moment.

Thus, then maybe Thiago Motta also did not completely overhaul the main Juventus squad because after all, I think Juventus already have quality players. Therefore, I really want to see the results if Thiago Motta will still use or play old Juventus players, although perhaps as time goes by there will be player sales but I am sure there will not be a complete overhaul.

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Getting these players would definitely improve Juventus, but I wonder about two things which would be important. First of all, are we sure that we are going to see them financially be fine? After all they had some trouble before and we wouldn't want them to have the same issue again, they should make sure that they are buying these players with the money they have and following all the rules in order to make sure that they are not getting any points deductions later on, sometimes they may even do something without realizing, not because of sinister or shady reasons, but could be for incompetence reasons.

Secondly, I also think that they should be considering how weak their bench is, they are getting good starting level players, but they are ignoring the fact that they need some players who would be great for the bench as well. They have a big schedule, and will play many games, they need to get some people who would do fine, like rotating and helping with starters getting some rest. So far, they got nobody like that, and their bench is still weak, their starting players will be awesome, but the moment they get booked or injured or tired, they will suck and will not get any good results at all.

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Quote from: giammangiato on July 17, 2024, 10:33:05 AM

Quote from: Sg4j1n3ll0 on July 17, 2024, 02:14:54 AM

I don't know if you've followed the latest news regarding the Juventus transfer market, they've practically revolutionized the team by selling players who were certainly too many and wouldn't have done well in that team, plus Thiago Motta is arriving and seems really intent on getting to the end , this year could really be the year of the championship and the champions, in terms of opponents I would say that it will be a very competitive championship with Inter who will certainly have a good championship and Napoli too, we'll see

They have truly revolutionized a team thanks to the intervention, certainly, of Thiago Motta who will have made things clear.
With a team like the one he had he couldn't do much, in fact I'm sorry that Massimiliano Allegri was attacked so harshly.
He did what he could with what he had.

What Juventus fans need to do is that they should not expect too much in the first season with the new coach and new players.
It wont be easy task for Motta to manage Juventus, although he could do something great with Bologna but it does not mean that he will be able to do the same thing with Juventus.
Of course it is reasonable if the fans and management want to see instant achievement, but expecting too much may give bigger regret then they may blame Motta in the first year or maybe in few matches in the new season.

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Quote from: Sg4j1n3ll0 on July 17, 2024, 02:14:54 AM

I don't know if you've followed the latest news regarding the Juventus transfer market, they've practically revolutionized the team by selling players who were certainly too many and wouldn't have done well in that team, plus Thiago Motta is arriving and seems really intent on getting to the end , this year could really be the year of the championship and the champions, in terms of opponents I would say that it will be a very competitive championship with Inter who will certainly have a good championship and Napoli too, we'll see

They have truly revolutionized a team thanks to the intervention, certainly, of Thiago Motta who will have made things clear.
With a team like the one he had he couldn't do much, in fact I'm sorry that Massimiliano Allegri was attacked so harshly.
He did what he could with what he had.

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Quote from: HajiBagi on July 17, 2024, 01:43:07 AM

I have said before that if Juventus wants to win a trophy they need to sell some players and sign another player, Juventus performance has not been that good for the past 2 seasons now, Juventus will start a season with better performance but before the end of the season you will find them in fourth or fifth place in the table of the league, I think Juventus need more players so that they can win a trophy, some players are not having a good performance and they need to leave the team during the transfer window and go and get start their career in another club.

I don?t know about the other people but I?m not enjoying Series A league anymore because there is no competition in the league again, any team that just has a good performance from the beginning will be the one that will be performing well till the end, last two seasons Napoli is the one that is leading with a point that no one can compete with them and same with inter Milan last season that they are also leading the league with a good point that no one can compete with them, I want a league that there will be a competition like laliga and premier league that two or three teams will be fighting for the title.

And you were absolutely right, the past two seasons have been truly disappointing for a team that didn't even have European cups to play.
Certainly everyone expected something more from Juventus, which obviously didn't happen at all because the team wasn't up to par. Simple reality.

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Quote from: babo on July 17, 2024, 06:48:59 AM

Quote from: klidex on July 16, 2024, 09:29:45 PM

Quote from: bastisisca on July 16, 2024, 09:21:05 AM

I am convinced that they will want to maintain what currently exists, given that it works and certainly allows you to obtain subscriptions.

Seeing Inter Milan's success last season, of course they don't want to lose players who have contributed greatly to the club so that their performance remains consistent next season, but on the other hand, Inter Milan needs a budget to pay off its debts. If they don't sell players, how can they get money? they may be able to compete to win the title for prizes but seeing that the competition is not easy it will not guarantee that Inter will win while Milan's rivals, Juventus Napoli, are still Inter's main competitors.

You're right, but since we don't know how much the debt is, we can't draw any conclusions. We'll see how the issue evolves.
Clearly, if the debt bubble were to burst, I don't know what could happen, at every level obviously.
The team would certainly suffer and we would underperform.

If the club's decline can happen if it really happens and the title drought will happen again like where they fasted for quite a long time, when seeing their rivals dominate the League at that time and it is very clear that Inter Milan really suffered when their finances were disrupted, they could even lose their mainstay players who had been painstakingly built by Conte when Inter Milan fasted for a title for 10 years.

The debt that Inter Milan had was really very large when it was still in the hands of Zhang Kangyang and after that with the leadership of Giuseppe Marotta slowly but slowly it improved but it does not rule out the possibility that the debt that was imposed on Giuseppe Marotta was quite considerable, although regarding money matters of course Giuseppe Marotta was very smart in managing Inter Milan's expenses and was fairly strong in Inter Milan's financial sector at this time while serving as President of Inter Milan.

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Milan is also having active days recently by the way. First signing Morata and now preparing to get Tammy Abraham from Roma. Morata can do a good work if Fonseca is planning to use a formation in which there are 2 strikers. Otherwise I don't think he would be much useful considering his playing style. He isn't a great finisher, he is more like a helper for the main striker. Wink

Tammy Abraham isn't a great idea truthfully. Sad

He couldn't play properly last season because of having a lasting injury. If Milan signs him anyway I hope they don't regret later.

If he doesn't have such injury next season then maybe we might see Morata - Abraham being a good duo on the front.

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Quote from: klidex on July 16, 2024, 09:29:45 PM

Quote from: bastisisca on July 16, 2024, 09:21:05 AM

I am convinced that they will want to maintain what currently exists, given that it works and certainly allows you to obtain subscriptions.

Seeing Inter Milan's success last season, of course they don't want to lose players who have contributed greatly to the club so that their performance remains consistent next season, but on the other hand, Inter Milan needs a budget to pay off its debts. If they don't sell players, how can they get money? they may be able to compete to win the title for prizes but seeing that the competition is not easy it will not guarantee that Inter will win while Milan's rivals, Juventus Napoli, are still Inter's main competitors.

You're right, but since we don't know how much the debt is, we can't draw any conclusions. We'll see how the issue evolves.
Clearly, if the debt bubble were to burst, I don't know what could happen, at every level obviously.
The team would certainly suffer and we would underperform.

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Quote from: HajiBagi on July 17, 2024, 01:43:07 AM

Quote from: Distraction on July 13, 2024, 08:08:05 AM

Juventus is taking the steps for consolidating the squad. Motta's arrival might really be positive unlike the people who are doubtful about him. Because he looks determined to turn this team into a stronger one like in the old days.

Transfers so far:

A lot more is going to be coming on next days surely. Because they are aiming to revolutionize the squad. There are so many players to be sold this summer as long as they find teams that are keen on paying the asked fee.

If Juventus has a good transfer window I will be expecting them to be more competitive for a Serie A trophy next season. It is hard to fight Inter till the end but not impossible.

I have said before that if Juventus wants to win a trophy they need to sell some players and sign another player, Juventus performance has not been that good for the past 2 seasons now, Juventus will start a season with better performance but before the end of the season you will find them in fourth or fifth place in the table of the league, I think Juventus need more players so that they can win a trophy, some players are not having a good performance and they need to leave the team during the transfer window and go and get start their career in another club.

I don’t know about the other people but I’m not enjoying Series A league anymore because there is no competition in the league again, any team that just has a good performance from the beginning will be the one that will be performing well till the end, last two seasons Napoli is the one that is leading with a point that no one can compete with them and same with inter Milan last season that they are also leading the league with a good point that no one can compete with them, I want a league that there will be a competition like laliga and premier league that two or three teams will be fighting for the title.

I don't know if you've followed the latest news regarding the Juventus transfer market, they've practically revolutionized the team by selling players who were certainly too many and wouldn't have done well in that team, plus Thiago Motta is arriving and seems really intent on getting to the end , this year could really be the year of the championship and the champions, in terms of opponents I would say that it will be a very competitive championship with Inter who will certainly have a good championship and Napoli too, we'll see

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