LEGAL COURSE of ACTION Discussion --- bASIC / BitcoinASIC - page 12.

bsgmz

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Hi,

Some time reading this forum, although I had not registered as my written English is not good. Although I read perfectly. I'm in Europe and I have not refunded anything. I paid a total of 189.7048 BTC. I made 3 orders and request a refund on the night of 13 to 14 January.

- BASIC01 + Flat Shipping Rate
2012/10/22

- DHLSHIP
2012/10/23

- BASIC01 + Flat Shipping Rate
2012/11/23

Quote from: BinaryMage on February 12, 2013, 06:24:13 AM

Due to similar limitations, I likewise may have trouble pursuing legal recourse, but I fully support this initiative and would be glad to render assistance in any way I can.

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repentance

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Quote from: luffy on February 15, 2013, 04:21:13 AM

scammer in what sense? it seems he is starting to refund BTCs

Let's wait until everyone's been refunded before we get too excited. I don't think we've had one of these clusterfucks yet where every single person has got back everything they were owed, although we've had several where many people got partial payments or some people got paid and others didn't.

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Quote from: luffy on February 15, 2013, 04:21:13 AM

scammer in what sense? it seems he is starting to refund BTCs

No communication, lies, deceit, stories of 'hacked' accounts, CAN-Electric, drunken rants, ...

luffy

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scammer in what sense? it seems he is starting to refund BTCs

tnkflx

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I have received my refund.

I paid BTC 372,2799 and received a refund of BTC 138... I'm glad I got something back... I still consider Tom to be a scammer though.

||bit

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Something I'd like to know for sure is, can BTC sent to a unique wallet address be traced thereafter, and determined to have been exchanged for cash on a big exchanges (e.g. MtGox)?
Any BTC tech aficionados care to take a swing at answering that, at least in theory?

My guess is that only a subsequent change in wallet address can be detected. But not any type of transaction taking place. I'm not familiar with how the MtGox process works exactly.

||bit

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Quote from: wtfvanity on February 14, 2013, 03:31:53 PM

Who said Tom is tech savvy?

Gleanable from places in the forums & outside. Here are a couple outside:

http://web.archive.org/web/20110203011330/http://sites.google.com/site/votevanriper/

http://www.satoshisuperstars.com/cablepair/

But I'm really making more out of it by saying this, because it wouldn't require a lot of tech savvy to prepare a list of your customers and how much is owed. Then simply entering in the amount in your bitcoin wallet and clicking send. And it might be nice if you send an email to said person you sent bitcoins to to let them know.

I don't hate Tom. He is even redeemable. I just don't like his business practice. Makes past BFL, as many perceived it in it's earlier days, seem world class.

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puck2

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Quote from: XertroV on February 14, 2013, 06:21:07 PM

Just checking in because I received 72 BTC from Tom.

good on you mate. what was your order #?

XertroV

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Max Kaye

Just checking in because I received 72 BTC from Tom.

I had one 54 GH/s unit and one 27 GH/s unit both paid with BTC (150 BTC paid total). Seems like the price was calculated around 24 $/BTC.

repentance

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Quote from: MrTeal on February 14, 2013, 03:00:51 PM

It will be interesting to see what comes of that. The Can Electric website is down right now coincidentally, but if there really is no affiliation and Tom decided to pick a random company and pose as them, I wouldn't be shocked to see him end up with criminal proceedings filed against him.

Last word from Ari was that it was being investigated by the RCMP. If no-one actually fell for it, I'm not sure how seriously attempted fraud would be regarded. There are no doubt a ton of US laws which were technically broken, but not every crime gets prosecuted.

It's likely that investors were also lied to and they may decide to take action even if all customers are refunded.

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WTF???

Quote from: ||bit on February 14, 2013, 03:16:01 PM

Quote from: GenTarkin on February 14, 2013, 02:34:27 PM

Quote from: miter_myles on February 14, 2013, 02:31:51 PM

Even if ALL the BTC eventually gets refunded.. Tom is still a scammer, period.

Agree 100%

I'm curious if people might want to go all the way and take him out legally. If he was so tech savvy, he could have distributed the BTC funds in a few hours.

Can you imagine then if he actually had products to ship how long it may have taken to ship?

||bit

Negative.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-need-help-getting-recovered-walletdat-to-work-44399

Who said Tom is tech savvy?

Edit: found some more:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/discussion-of-cablepairs-unfortunate-loss-of-400btc-on-the-twenty-third-of-june-63638

That one is even better, he got "hacked" and lost 400 BTC. Linking back to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-21325

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Quote from: GenTarkin on February 14, 2013, 02:34:27 PM

Quote from: miter_myles on February 14, 2013, 02:31:51 PM

Even if ALL the BTC eventually gets refunded.. Tom is still a scammer, period.

Agree 100%

I'm curious if people might want to go all the way and take him out legally. If he was so tech savvy, he could have distributed the BTC funds in a few hours.

Can you imagine then if he actually had products to ship how long it may have taken to ship?

||bit

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Quote from: repentance on February 14, 2013, 02:14:42 PM

Quote from: agath on February 14, 2013, 10:41:04 AM

You may say he could have managed better the situation, but I don't find correct insulting him this way.

It goes beyond mere mismanagement. The whole CAN-ELECTRIC hoax was outright fraud. The fact that it was so transparent that people checked with the real company doesn't change that and neither does the current wave of refunds.

It will be interesting to see what comes of that. The Can Electric website is down right now coincidentally, but if there really is no affiliation and Tom decided to pick a random company and pose as them, I wouldn't be shocked to see him end up with criminal proceedings filed against him.

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Quote from: miter_myles on February 14, 2013, 02:31:51 PM

Even if ALL the BTC eventually gets refunded.. Tom is still a scammer, period.

Agree 100%

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Quote from: repentance on February 14, 2013, 02:14:42 PM

Quote from: agath on February 14, 2013, 10:41:04 AM

You may say he could have managed better the situation, but I don't find correct insulting him this way.

It goes beyond mere mismanagement. The whole CAN-ELECTRIC hoax was outright fraud. The fact that it was so transparent that people checked with the real company doesn't change that and neither does the current wave of refunds.

Yeah, can't forget the whole site drama-bomb too - the sympathizers and team tommy supporters have blinders on... again - yes it is nice that BTC refunds are coming in/out.. but where were they early in Jan?? Those people could have had their coins refunded and made a nice little profit if they didn't cash out and rode the BTC value increase..

It seems the more discussions about legal action here on this forum, with possible (unannounced) outside actions being taken have forced Tom into finally getting shit squared away.. but the damage has already been done.. people have already been majorly screwed over with this.. intentionally or not.. people/third-parties tried and even over-extended themselves to help and assist Tom out with this situation and eventual shutdown, but his total lack of common sense and non-willingness to let people help him was 100% his fault. His inept communication skills and apparent addiction to alcohol are huge red flags..

Even if ALL the BTC eventually gets refunded.. Tom is still a scammer, period.

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Quote from: agath on February 14, 2013, 10:41:04 AM

You may say he could have managed better the situation, but I don't find correct insulting him this way.

It goes beyond mere mismanagement. The whole CAN-ELECTRIC hoax was outright fraud. The fact that it was so transparent that people checked with the real company doesn't change that and neither does the current wave of refunds.

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After dumping a huge amount yesterday, hes now wealthy enough to do refund.... hes mining to refund now.

Sweet Tommy son of the motherless goat

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Quote from: agath on February 14, 2013, 10:41:04 AM

Quote from: miter_myles on February 14, 2013, 08:02:01 AM

It's nice to see people starting to receive BTC back.. however, looking at this whole ordeal as a whole.. he is still a scammer and a sack of shit..

Everyone who annunced their work on ASIC projects got problems over problems, delays, and difficulties. BTCFPGA project included. Unfortunately, a business can go wrong. If people are receiving BTC back, it's great news.

You may say he could have managed better the situation, but I don't find correct insulting him this way.

It's the internet

It's my opinion

Get over it

If Tom's teeth were on fire, I wouldn't even piss on his face to help put it out..

Bottoms up Tom and Team Tommy!

nbtcminer

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Quote from: GenTarkin on February 14, 2013, 10:55:56 AM

Quote from: sveetsnelda on February 14, 2013, 03:39:55 AM

BTC refund received here also (for 3 units).

Did u get the BTC back in the amount of BTC originally paid or ... in the USD equivilant(less btc now)?

I looked at his other post (345 BTC); he got paid the equivilant.

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Quote from: sveetsnelda on February 14, 2013, 03:39:55 AM

BTC refund received here also (for 3 units).

Did u get the BTC back in the amount of BTC originally paid or ... in the USD equivilant(less btc now)?

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