Hi,
I will also participate if there is any coordinated action from EU citizens against BTCFPGA. Anyone from The Netherlands?
1x $1099 CC and 2x $629 BTC.
Regards,
Bart
Topic: LEGAL COURSE of ACTION Discussion --- bASIC / BitcoinASIC - page 17. (Read 21287 times)
From Europe, too. 3.3 k$ via mtgoxusdcode/btc. Damn, that rabbit hole is getting deeper. Count me in for any legal action, if possible from the EU.
hi,
if there is any coordinated action from EU citizens against BTCFPGA I will participate on it. Order #1438, $8,589, paid via wire transfer, no refund yet. I ran out of patience.
thanks,
if there is any coordinated action from EU citizens against BTCFPGA I will participate on it. Order #1438, $8,589, paid via wire transfer, no refund yet. I ran out of patience.
thanks,
With 17k it makes sense to visit Tom and convince him to pay back your bitcoins. I think chances are much better with a personal approach than using the legal system. It's much harder to deny refund to an angry person in front of you than to somebody that is far away. Maybe a bounty on Tom's head is the right way to go?!
Not sure what legal recourse will yield, but we should check it out... I have access to free consultation (limited) via work program, I'll report back regarding suggestions make...
I really like the idea of taking to Tom in person, just blows my mind that he's said nothing (again, waiting for this to go away) regarding the outstanding refunds.
I have some legal training in the US, I am more than willing to help canvas lawyers for you guys, Tom is a Scammer and should be brought to justice.
This said finding a lawyer to deal with this case will be difficult.
The Case that will help us all is a international case tho, from I think Holland where a judge rules that WoW gold (a digital currency) has real world monetary value, after some school yard bullies beat up a kid after school for his account.
Ideally we need to file this where the majority of the fraud happened, eg. Where Tom's home is or Place of business. Unless we have a majority of users that all lived in one Metro area, (like NYC or Dallas or somewhere).
Another idea might be to see if anyone with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, is a bit coiner, and see if we can get them involved as this would be ground breaking and new case law. Fhe biggest foreseeable issue is showing to a judge to award damaged that any Bitcoin, transactions we did with Tom have actual real world value.
This said finding a lawyer to deal with this case will be difficult.
The Case that will help us all is a international case tho, from I think Holland where a judge rules that WoW gold (a digital currency) has real world monetary value, after some school yard bullies beat up a kid after school for his account.
Ideally we need to file this where the majority of the fraud happened, eg. Where Tom's home is or Place of business. Unless we have a majority of users that all lived in one Metro area, (like NYC or Dallas or somewhere).
Another idea might be to see if anyone with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, is a bit coiner, and see if we can get them involved as this would be ground breaking and new case law. Fhe biggest foreseeable issue is showing to a judge to award damaged that any Bitcoin, transactions we did with Tom have actual real world value.
...I'm interested in not let Tom go away with this scam. But as I'm in EU my personal and legal options are quite limited.
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How much is the support by a local MC
I will contribute 30$+ to a fund
With 17k it makes sense to visit Tom and convince him to pay back your bitcoins. I think chances are much better with a personal approach than using the legal system. It's much harder to deny refund to an angry person in front of you than to somebody that is far away. Maybe a bounty on Tom's head is the right way to go?!
I as well being in EU find it difficult to properly get to US legal system. In my opinion, Tom is actually counting on this and I think most of us know we won't get our money back therefore a hitman would better suit, not a lawyer. You can imagine we didn't expected this to happen and in my case I also convinced two friends to join this shit hole and in total we had lost around 17K so you'd imagine if opportunity arrives maybe we won't wait for karma to do justice and fast forward ourselves, maybe not today, not in a month, but you never know. All who pursue legal case, although I wish them luck, I think will also encounter difficulties draining the money from an empty safe.
Due to similar limitations, I likewise may have trouble pursuing legal recourse, but I fully support this initiative and would be glad to render assistance in any way I can.
Same here. I'm interested in not let Tom go away with this scam. But as I'm in EU my personal and legal options are quite limited.
Discussion suggestions:
(1) Who here has an interest in this?
(2) What is the estimated collective amount of the claims, or how to determine this? (a lawyer would probably want to know this)
(3) What kinds of evidence is there? {emails, screenshots, forum discussions, phone records, credit card reports..etc..}
(4) Where/how should a good lawyer be found.
a. Should the lawyer be in the general area of Tom's residence/place of business?
b. List online or other suggestions, and discuss each merits.
c. Who will contact the lawyer, and how can we collectively pay for the lawyer?
d. Can a large conference call be held?
(1) Who here has an interest in this?
(2) What is the estimated collective amount of the claims, or how to determine this? (a lawyer would probably want to know this)
(3) What kinds of evidence is there? {emails, screenshots, forum discussions, phone records, credit card reports..etc..}
(4) Where/how should a good lawyer be found.
a. Should the lawyer be in the general area of Tom's residence/place of business?
b. List online or other suggestions, and discuss each merits.
c. Who will contact the lawyer, and how can we collectively pay for the lawyer?
d. Can a large conference call be held?
I started the scammer thread, so yes, I'm interested in this. Possible problems/issues: I'm not from the US & I don't know the legal situation there... So if possible, I need a proxy in the US I think
Disclaimer: I'm not a legal expert or qualified to give any kind of legal advice. And I'm not giving legal advice. Anything I say should be assumed to be just second hand information or an opinion. Therefore, anything I say about legal issues could be wrong.
ALL that have lost money and/or property to bASIC/BitcoinASIC:
I wanted to start this thread so that people can organize in one place to respond effectively to the business fiasco associated with Tom Van Riper's business. I'm not volunteering to represent the thread here or with any lawyers etc... but I am tired of seeing a lot of waiting and talking about what to do.
In this thread, I'd like to initiate suggested discussions towards a possible legal course of action, and perhaps actual legal action. It seems to me, that the best initial action would be to find a lawyer for consultation. And it can be discussed how to collectively pay for this lawyer, but being careful on how that would be accomplished.
So, let's discuss what needs to be discussed first. And maybe those that lost property can achieve the first step by getting a lawyer to speak with. I will propose four topics to resolve. Anyone can provide ideas for discussion, but let's keep it on task with what will help achieve the end goal - i.e. each person being compensated for property that was taken. If anyone, that has been around the forum for some time, wants to take lead on contacting a lawyer after the discussion, that would be great.
Discussion suggestions:
(1) Who here has an interest in this?
Update: Poll indicates at least 98 persons.
(2) What is the estimated collective amount of the claims, or how to determine this? (a lawyer would probably want to know this)
Update: Poll indicates at least $825,600 taken.
(3) What kinds of evidence is there? {emails, screenshots, forum discussions, phone records, credit card reports..etc..}
(4) Where/how should a good lawyer be found.
a. Should the lawyer be in the general area of Tom's residence/place of business?
b. List online or other suggestions, and discuss each merits.
c. Who will contact the lawyer, and how can we collectively pay for the lawyer?
d. Can a large conference call be held?
[Update: Progress coming. Stay tuned.]
New topic recommended from the thread:
(5) Are there any other (better or not) ways of settling this in a different way ? What I'm thinking of:
- simply someone to talk to Tom on behalf of the group and see what's really happening
- an agency for consumer protection or something like this (small claims court ? )
- debt collection company
- private investigator/debt collector
I have no idea where this will go. My guess is that it will turn into a kluge, and simply flame out. And if it does, then we can all just sit back and forget about it. So, for now, we can at least gauge the interest in a course of action.
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ALL that have lost money and/or property to bASIC/BitcoinASIC:
I wanted to start this thread so that people can organize in one place to respond effectively to the business fiasco associated with Tom Van Riper's business. I'm not volunteering to represent the thread here or with any lawyers etc... but I am tired of seeing a lot of waiting and talking about what to do.
In this thread, I'd like to initiate suggested discussions towards a possible legal course of action, and perhaps actual legal action. It seems to me, that the best initial action would be to find a lawyer for consultation. And it can be discussed how to collectively pay for this lawyer, but being careful on how that would be accomplished.
So, let's discuss what needs to be discussed first. And maybe those that lost property can achieve the first step by getting a lawyer to speak with. I will propose four topics to resolve. Anyone can provide ideas for discussion, but let's keep it on task with what will help achieve the end goal - i.e. each person being compensated for property that was taken. If anyone, that has been around the forum for some time, wants to take lead on contacting a lawyer after the discussion, that would be great.
Discussion suggestions:
(1) Who here has an interest in this?
Update: Poll indicates at least 98 persons.
(2) What is the estimated collective amount of the claims, or how to determine this? (a lawyer would probably want to know this)
Update: Poll indicates at least $825,600 taken.
(3) What kinds of evidence is there? {emails, screenshots, forum discussions, phone records, credit card reports..etc..}
(4) Where/how should a good lawyer be found.
a. Should the lawyer be in the general area of Tom's residence/place of business?
b. List online or other suggestions, and discuss each merits.
c. Who will contact the lawyer, and how can we collectively pay for the lawyer?
d. Can a large conference call be held?
[Update: Progress coming. Stay tuned.]
New topic recommended from the thread:
(5) Are there any other (better or not) ways of settling this in a different way ? What I'm thinking of:
- simply someone to talk to Tom on behalf of the group and see what's really happening
- an agency for consumer protection or something like this (small claims court ? )
- debt collection company
- private investigator/debt collector
I have no idea where this will go. My guess is that it will turn into a kluge, and simply flame out. And if it does, then we can all just sit back and forget about it. So, for now, we can at least gauge the interest in a course of action.
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