Be7: 7 votes (galdur, boolberry, xmrpromotions, hermesesus, ygsmaguduru, languagehasmeaning, dre1982)
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman, Hueristic)
Bc5: 1 vote (jjacob)
Be7 for me too. Let's develop just some more.
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Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman,Hueristic)
Be7: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, xmrpromotions)
Be7: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, xmrpromotions)
I vote for 5...Bc5.
Be7: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, hermesesus)
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman, Hueristic)
Bc5: 1 vote (jjacob)
Be7: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, hermesesus)
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman, Hueristic)
Bc5: 1 vote (jjacob)
i vote Be7
These should be the current totals including my Be7 vote:
Be7: 6 votes (galdur, boolberry, xmrpromotions, hermesesus, ygsmaguduru, languagehasmeaning)
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman, Hueristic)
Bc5: 1 vote (jjacob)
I'll wipe the floor with anyone who goes against me in chess.
Then please join our game and help us "wipe the floor" with OP. We have a clean slate and have yet to make any mistakes this game!
Indeed, this is a very clean game with the board setup for some serious play right now!
And I keep trying to bring us down the rabbit hole!
Thanks for the links in your posts, they really help.
OK, appreciate the encouragement guys I'll keep making calls that deviate from everyone else! Except Morecoin Freeman, we seem to be on the same line.
Thanks for your explanations. There aren't "best" lines but as long as we stay in the "known theory", we can avoid mistakes.
Exactly! We are unlikely to get into trouble within the next few moves with either of the move suggestions above. One problem with just memorizing theory however is that once the game deviates from it you are on your own. It helps to be familiar enough with the general opening ideas that you won't feel lost the moment you opponent plays an unexpected move.
I see we are trying to avoid this. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=2042607&move=7.5&moves=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Ba4.Nf6.O-O.Nxe4.d4.b5.d5&nodes=34844.34845.2042607
Thx for the explanation. I can't think that many moves ahead. I thought we would be able to trap that bishop but it is a trap for us.
I'm too far behind you guys to be useful. Gonna just watch from now on. Wish I could see this far ahead without using assistance.
BTW, linking to this site the move makes it far easier for the layman to understand. Learning the lingo and visualizing it is not easily absorbed. Especially through reading. My reading comprehension skills have become practically non existent in the last decade.
Thx for the explanation. I can't think that many moves ahead. I thought we would be able to trap that bishop but it is a trap for us.
I'm too far behind you guys to be useful. Gonna just watch from now on. Wish I could see this far ahead without using assistance.
BTW, linking to this site the move makes it far easier for the layman to understand. Learning the lingo and visualizing it is not easily absorbed. Especially through reading. My reading comprehension skills have become practically non existent in the last decade.
Based on some of the votes I saw in the last game, you are not less advanced than everyone. Keep actively participating and asking questions. That is how you improve!
Moreover, good players can explain and argue their choice and convince the others.
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman,Hueristic)
Be7: 2 votes (galdur, boolberry)
Be7: 2 votes (galdur, boolberry)
If I understand well, we have basically the choice between:
- playing with caution: Closed Defence (5...Be7)
- or being more agressive: Open Defence (5...Nxe4)
Apparently, the problem with the Open Defence is the Karpov's move, 9.Nbd2, which limits Black's options.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=37411&move=9.5&moves=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Ba4.Nf6.O-O.Nxe4.d4.b5.Bb3.d5.dxe5.Be6.Nbd2&nodes=21720.21721.21722.21723.21724.21725.21726.34841.34842.34843.34844.34845.34846.34847.34848.34849.37411
(Correct me if I'm wrong)
Thus, I vote for 5...Be7.
Be7: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, hermesesus)
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman, Hueristic)
I would tend to agree the that the open defense is more aggressive but there are many exceptions. There are some very boring and drawish lines within the open defense and aggressive possibilities in the closed.
The line you mentioned is one possibility that could limit our options in that open variation. However white has the ability to limit our options after Be7 too. For example white could stop us from playing the Marshall attack with 8.a4:
www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=1832213&move=8.5&moves=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Ba4.Nf6.O-O.Be7.Re1.b5.Bb3.O-O.a4
This early in the game both sides have multiple plans to choose from with no clear consensus about which one is "best". Since we all have different preferences it is unlikely that everyone will agree on the best plan. As someone else pointed out there are actually other options besides Bxe7 and Nxe4.
I see we are trying to avoid this. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=2042607&move=7.5&moves=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Ba4.Nf6.O-O.Nxe4.d4.b5.d5&nodes=34844.34845.2042607
Thx for the explanation. I can't think that many moves ahead. I thought we would be able to trap that bishop but it is a trap for us.
I'm too far behind you guys to be useful. Gonna just watch from now on. Wish I could see this far ahead without using assistance.
BTW, linking to this site the move makes it far easier for the layman to understand. Learning the lingo and visualizing it is not easily absorbed. Especially through reading. My reading comprehension skills have become practically non existent in the last decade.
Thx for the explanation. I can't think that many moves ahead. I thought we would be able to trap that bishop but it is a trap for us.
I'm too far behind you guys to be useful. Gonna just watch from now on. Wish I could see this far ahead without using assistance.
BTW, linking to this site the move makes it far easier for the layman to understand. Learning the lingo and visualizing it is not easily absorbed. Especially through reading. My reading comprehension skills have become practically non existent in the last decade.
Based on some of the votes I saw in the last game, you are not less advanced than everyone. Keep actively participating and asking questions. That is how you improve!
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman,Hueristic)
Be7: 2 votes (galdur, boolberry)
Be7: 2 votes (galdur, boolberry)
If I understand well, we have basically the choice between:
- playing with caution: Closed Defence (5...Be7)
- or being more agressive: Open Defence (5...Nxe4)
Apparently, the problem with the Open Defence is the Karpov's move, 9.Nbd2, which limits Black's options.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=37411&move=9.5&moves=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Ba4.Nf6.O-O.Nxe4.d4.b5.Bb3.d5.dxe5.Be6.Nbd2&nodes=21720.21721.21722.21723.21724.21725.21726.34841.34842.34843.34844.34845.34846.34847.34848.34849.37411
(Correct me if I'm wrong)
Thus, I vote for 5...Be7.
Be7: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, hermesesus)
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman, Hueristic)
I would tend to agree the that the open defense is more aggressive but there are many exceptions. There are some very boring and drawish lines within the open defense and aggressive possibilities in the closed.
The line you mentioned is one possibility that could limit our options in that open variation. However white has the ability to limit our options after Be7 too. For example white could stop us from playing the Marshall attack with 8.a4:
www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=1832213&move=8.5&moves=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Ba4.Nf6.O-O.Be7.Re1.b5.Bb3.O-O.a4
This early in the game both sides have multiple plans to choose from with no clear consensus about which one is "best". Since we all have different preferences it is unlikely that everyone will agree on the best plan. As someone else pointed out there are actually other options besides Be7 and Nxe4.
I'll wipe the floor with anyone who goes against me in chess.
Then please join our game and help us "wipe the floor" with OP. We have a clean slate and have yet to make any mistakes this game!
I vote for 5...Bc5.
Be7: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, hermesesus)
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman, Hueristic)
Bc5: 1 vote (jjacob)
have you playchess ? iam a chess player elo 1650
I'll wipe the floor with anyone who goes against me in chess.
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman,Hueristic)
Be7: 2 votes (galdur, boolberry)
Be7: 2 votes (galdur, boolberry)
If I understand well, we have basically the choice between:
- playing with caution: Closed Defence (5...Be7)
- or being more agressive: Open Defence (5...Nxe4)
Apparently, the problem with the Open Defence is the Karpov's move, 9.Nbd2, which limits Black's options.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=37411&move=9.5&moves=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Ba4.Nf6.O-O.Nxe4.d4.b5.Bb3.d5.dxe5.Be6.Nbd2&nodes=21720.21721.21722.21723.21724.21725.21726.34841.34842.34843.34844.34845.34846.34847.34848.34849.37411
(Correct me if I'm wrong)
Thus, I vote for 5...Be7.
Be7: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, hermesesus)
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman, Hueristic)
I see we are trying to avoid this. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=2042607&move=7.5&moves=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Ba4.Nf6.O-O.Nxe4.d4.b5.d5&nodes=34844.34845.2042607
Thx for the explanation. I can't think that many moves ahead. I thought we would be able to trap that bishop but it is a trap for us.
I'm too far behind you guys to be useful. Gonna just watch from now on. Wish I could see this far ahead without using assistance.
BTW, linking to this site the move makes it far easier for the layman to understand. Learning the lingo and visualizing it is not easily absorbed. Especially through reading. My reading comprehension skills have become practically non existent in the last decade.
Thx for the explanation. I can't think that many moves ahead. I thought we would be able to trap that bishop but it is a trap for us.
I'm too far behind you guys to be useful. Gonna just watch from now on. Wish I could see this far ahead without using assistance.
BTW, linking to this site the move makes it far easier for the layman to understand. Learning the lingo and visualizing it is not easily absorbed. Especially through reading. My reading comprehension skills have become practically non existent in the last decade.
Nxe4: 2 vote (Morecoin Freeman,Hueristic)
5.. Be7
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman,Hueristic)
Be7: 2 votes (galdur, boolberry)
I see us coming out materially ahead with Nxe4 and only slowing progression with Be7 along that line. Am I wrong here? You guys want to make a argument to support Be7?
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman,Hueristic)
Be7: 3 votes (galdur, boolberry, xmrpromotions)
Hueristic,
Nxe4 is an option here but does not (permanently) win a pawn. For example 6.d4 or 6.Re1 will quickly win back the pawn because of possible pins on the e file.
We have several reasonable plans to choose from. My preference was listed in the post below:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12859893
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=C89
Be7 is by far the most common move for black in this position which I have played (as both white and black) many times.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=34842&move=5.5&moves=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Ba4.Nf6.O-O
If you want to see some game with Nxe4 look here:
www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=34843&move=6&moves=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Ba4.Nf6.O-O.Nxe4
Nxe4: 2 vote (Morecoin Freeman,Hueristic)
5.. Be7
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman,Hueristic)
Be7: 2 votes (galdur, boolberry)
I see us coming out materially ahead with Nxe4 and only slowing progression with Be7 along that line. Am I wrong here? You guys want to make a argument to support Be7?
Nxe4: 2 vote (Morecoin Freeman,Hueristic)
5.. Be7
Nxe4: 2 votes (Morecoin Freeman,Hueristic)
Be7: 2 votes (galdur, boolberry)
5.. Be7
Love chess! Cool concept
Nxe4: 2 vote (Morecoin Freeman,Hueristic)
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