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legendary
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November 29, 2021, 11:38:21 AM
Without running a Lightning node, what is the easiest/best way, and what apps should be used, if a person wants to open a private channel with a routing node, send the coins to himself through Lightning, then close channel to confirm onchain. Asking for a friend. Cool

Any non-custodial mobile wallet should do the trick. Most of them, if not all, create only private channels. I am certain that Eclair Mobile does so. You can download the testnet version, open a channel to some random node and try looking it up on 1ml.com/testnet. You shouldn't be able to find it.
hero member
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November 29, 2021, 09:08:19 AM
Without running a Lightning node, what is the easiest/best way, and what apps should be used, if a person wants to open a private channel with a routing node, send the coins to himself through Lightning, then close channel to confirm onchain. Asking for a friend. Cool
Why would you want to even do that? As a mixing alternative?
legendary
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November 29, 2021, 08:32:38 AM
Without running a Lightning node, what is the easiest/best way, and what apps should be used, if a person wants to open a private channel with a routing node, send the coins to himself through Lightning, then close channel to confirm onchain. Asking for a friend. Cool
legendary
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November 28, 2021, 09:03:42 PM
Here discusses the impact of LN on content creators.
Something we might not really familiar with, today, but could be relevant in the newer future. He actually also discloses, in the last row of the article, his investment on this thesis.
Podcasting is an interesting example, since podcast micropayments through Lightning are implemented quite nicely in Breez.
You can set it to pay a few sats (any amount you want) every minute you listened. And compared to traditional solutions, it doesn't just count the minutes and does a one-off payment afterwards; it directly pays LN invoices every minute which is not possible without BTC and Lightning.


I have a channel with podcast.org and MOSTLY see lots of little sub 20 sat relays.  Its cool!
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November 28, 2021, 03:13:42 PM
Here discusses the impact of LN on content creators.
Something we might not really familiar with, today, but could be relevant in the newer future. He actually also discloses, in the last row of the article, his investment on this thesis.
Podcasting is an interesting example, since podcast micropayments through Lightning are implemented quite nicely in Breez.
You can set it to pay a few sats (any amount you want) every minute you listened. And compared to traditional solutions, it doesn't just count the minutes and does a one-off payment afterwards; it directly pays LN invoices every minute which is not possible without BTC and Lightning.

legendary
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November 28, 2021, 06:33:53 AM
Chivo Lightning Node is growing well.

The address linked to the official El Salvador Wallet is now more than 22 BTC stored in capacity:





It has recently declined from a top capacity of over 27 BTC.


Of course this means a lot of people in El Salvador is using this custodial wallet instead of using a non custodial solution, but I guess that wit h time, and education, a bigger and bigger portion of people in El Salvador will use more sophisticated and privacy sensible solution.

Another interesting fact is the capacity management of the node:



Node managers tend to adjust capacity with frequent rebalances from/to blockchain.
I guess they have a partnership with Bitfinex, and they need to adjust the capacity according to the FIAT imbalances on the node: the more people want to convert sats in FIAT, the more they need to see BTC to pay for this FIAT, on the opposite if people want to Hodl on Chivo, the more they need to add capacity the node.








legendary
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November 24, 2021, 07:20:05 PM
Kevin Rooke is out with an interesting Article:

The Lightning Network's Next Big Use Case

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The last 20 years have been a golden age for independent creators on the internet. Platforms like YouTube, Instagram, and others have empowered a new class of creators to turn their passions into sustainable businesses.
Despite this success, a fundamental problem still limits creators and their ability to do their best work. That is, no creator owns both their distribution and monetization.
Creators rent access to their audience and their income from tech companies like Amazon, Google, PayPal, and Facebook, without leverage to negotiate on their terms of service.
While it's true that creators can still distribute emails, blog posts, and podcasts beyond the reach of social media giants, creators have never had the tools to earn income on their work without censorship, fees, or processing delays.
Now, for the first time in internet history, they do.
The Lightning Network's architecture allows creators to earn directly from their biggest fans, in new ways that aren't even possible on a fiat payment system.
I suspect that there will be many new business models and applications for creators that are uniquely enabled the Lightning Network, but one I'm particularly excited about is podcasting.
To see why, and to appreciate the importance of building on open platforms, it's helpful to first understand the distinction between closed and open platforms.


Here discusses the impact of LN on content creators.
Something we might not really familiar with, today, but could be relevant in the newer future. He actually also discloses, in the last row of the article, his investment on this thesis.
legendary
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November 17, 2021, 05:43:22 PM
Arcane Research has been presenting "State of Lightning" report at "Adopt Bitcoin" in El Salvador.

They also updated some data and came out with this one:




https://twitter.com/ArcaneResearch/status/1460863760218963968?s=20

Probably this is the original report they presented a few weeks ago:



legendary
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November 14, 2021, 05:29:15 AM
A nice thread by@Rath_ on the board for sharing discussion on Lightning implementations and experience about running a node.
The Lightning Network node experience

BabysittingRunning a LN node can be a cumbersome task. In this thread you can learn from others and share your own strategies.
Worth a read.
legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
November 05, 2021, 10:00:51 AM
I don't know about you guys, but after this bull run I'll probably buy one of those..
https://twitter.com/i/status/1456346866875052034
Fits perfect to my plans to start making home brewed beer hopefully next year.

But what happens if you spill beer on your phone and then can't get more beer?

On a serious note (yes more serious then beer), I have seen a major uptick in transactions routing through my nodes over the last few weeks. Not a major amount, but where my 3 nodes would do 5 a month I have been averaging about 7 or 8 a week since mid October. Anyone else seeing this?

-Dave
legendary
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November 05, 2021, 09:51:15 AM
I don't know about you guys, but after this bull run I'll probably buy one of those..
https://twitter.com/i/status/1456346866875052034
Fits perfect to my plans to start making home brewed beer hopefully next year.
legendary
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November 03, 2021, 12:37:51 PM


on another point: saying the internet is centralised, just tells me, that you don't understand how the internet works

With the term "centralized" I mean only we are all using the same services, programs, and apps to access the internet.
Wonder why it's such a big issue when Google of FB have problems and their services go down?
Because the internet is centralized, if everyone is using Gmail as a mail server
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November 03, 2021, 08:54:53 AM
#99
the p2p browser is scheduled for release in the first quarter of 2022
a p2p browser? we shouldn't try and reinvent the wheel

there is this article from the ceo of the breez wallet, which i recommend reading:
https://medium.com/breez-technology/lightning-the-internet-choosing-the-right-path-bedfa6382316

i am all in favor for a lightweight lightning network and not some "frankenstein network" impervious tries to build. also all their claims are not verifiable, there is no source code (correct me if i didn't look at the right place). don't forget the saying: don't trust, verify

on another point: saying the internet is centralised, just tells me, that you don't understand how the internet works
legendary
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November 03, 2021, 08:31:43 AM
#98
The centralization of Internet is just a phase, we are already moving forward. We are on the Web3 move and soon things will be different.
It's amazing how everything started with an idea of an anonymous guy and a white paper of that idea and it went so global that is changing the world as we know it right in this very moment.

And the LN plays a big role too, not only after the Twitter integration just off-chain transactions is the future, ~0 fees, fast transactions and fast growing network, what would you want more.

I don't get it how people still buy ETH, just moving some dust cost hundreds.. insanity.

The future is exciting Smiley
legendary
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November 02, 2021, 11:58:10 AM
#97


I think the LN is going to evolve in a way MUCH like the internet.  Is the internet centralized or not?

Yes.

The internet is centralized: Yes.
Is the internet centralized by design: No.

Of course, centralization has a lot of nice features: it's damn easy and convenient.
Of course that is at a cost: privacy and freedom.

In case of centralized actors turn evil, can the users show the middle finger and turn away? Yes.


Lightning network is similar, not all systems are built this way. The banking system is centralized (every dollar exchanged in the world has to go through the NY FED), and you cannot basically escape from it.

This is a relevant feature.



Exactly.  My thoughts with the quoted post are just that the centralization of the internet is kind of up to the user.  Thre are arguably fundamental points of centralization such as TLDs, but even then TOR and i2p solve these issues (at least somewhat).

So, you can use the internet in a VERY decentralized way, like using fedarated social media servers (mastadon), and TOR and VPNs etc...  Or you can just plug straight into Google.

And for some things I want the latter.

It will be the same for lightning.  There will be ways to use it in a centralized way and ways not to.

I will tell you this... I have thought about taking my family on the holy trip of the Bitcoiner to El Zonte in ES for a vacation.  If I do I will be taking at least two lighting wallets.  I will try to primarily use my own node (with Zeus), but I would also load up my Wallet of Satoshi to have as a standby. in case something went screwy with my node.

That is a perfect example on the simplest level of using decentralization and centralization to my advantage.
legendary
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November 02, 2021, 03:18:09 AM
#96
the p2p browser is scheduled for release in the first quarter of 2022


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Impervious API is a programmatic layer that sits on top of the Bitcoin Lightning Network, i.e. "Layer 3." Developers can leverage the Impervious API to easily build secure p2p data transmissions and payments into their applications and services.

1. Truly peer-to-peer (like the Internet was meant to be)
2. Censorship and surveillance resistant
3. Default encrypted
4. Payments built in
https://www.impervious.ai/
https://twitter.com/Bitcoin/status/1455297028125196290
legendary
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October 08, 2021, 04:47:50 PM
#95


I think the LN is going to evolve in a way MUCH like the internet.  Is the internet centralized or not?

Yes.

The internet is centralized: Yes.
Is the internet centralized by design: No.

Of course, centralization has a lot of nice features: it's damn easy and convenient.
Of course that is at a cost: privacy and freedom.

In case of centralized actors turn evil, can the users show the middle finger and turn away? Yes.


Lightning network is similar, not all systems are built this way. The banking system is centralized (every dollar exchanged in the world has to go through the NY FED), and you cannot basically escape from it.

This is a relevant feature.

legendary
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October 08, 2021, 03:52:25 PM
#94
Thanks for that Arcane Tech link fillippone.  This is good stuff.

I have been thinking a lot about the clustering idea and where it will lead, and what it's natural balances are.


A lot of the clustering debate originated from this paper I might have already posted it here?

Lightning Network: a second path towards centralisation of the Bitcoin economy

Maybe you could find useful insight, even if I am afraid the taxonomy of the network has changed a lot since the publication of the paper.

I have read this one back around the time it came out.

I think the LN is going to evolve in a way MUCH like the internet.  Is the internet centralized or not?

Yes.
hero member
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October 08, 2021, 10:54:06 AM
#93
Something is wrong before everyone corrects their behavior. When mistakes happen, some people learn immediately and change their habits, while others do not. But gradually, over time, there are fewer central points of failure and the whole thing becomes more resilient. A similar situation may arise here. If any of these primary nodes fail, people are more likely to use smaller nodes in the future. All I can suggest is to keep a close eye on it, see what develops, then make a backup plan if it seems to get worse.
i nearly reported your post. what are you saying? why should primary nodes fail? why should i make a backup plan after looking what develops? if what gets worse?  Huh Roll Eyes i am confused...
Looking at the profile, it seems this person is posting random quotes from the internet. I shall check for plagiarism later.

Edit: yes, my suspicion was true. He's reported already: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58124330
full member
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October 08, 2021, 10:47:41 AM
#92
Something is wrong before everyone corrects their behavior. When mistakes happen, some people learn immediately and change their habits, while others do not. But gradually, over time, there are fewer central points of failure and the whole thing becomes more resilient. A similar situation may arise here. If any of these primary nodes fail, people are more likely to use smaller nodes in the future. All I can suggest is to keep a close eye on it, see what develops, then make a backup plan if it seems to get worse.
i nearly reported your post. what are you saying? why should primary nodes fail? why should i make a backup plan after looking what develops? if what gets worse?  Huh Roll Eyes i am confused...
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