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Quote from: cp1 on May 28, 2013, 01:33:52 PM

Since Avalon released their reference design does that mean it could be used to make 10 chip boards instead? Would that be easier / more reliable than the Klondike design?

Yes, it could be done, however, it would require a dedicated FPGA, as well as a lot of other hardware that is really kind of overkill and adds to the overall cost. There are people making/offering Avalon clones (including hosting options), if that's what you're interested in doing, but it doesn't seem to be all that cost-effective; especially at a lower scale, which is where a lot of people are starting out.

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Quote from: cp1 on May 28, 2013, 01:33:52 PM

Since Avalon released their reference design does that mean it could be used to make 10 chip boards instead? Would that be easier / more reliable than the Klondike design?

I believe the Avalon ref design would only produce a hashing card, which would require other PCBs to do anything meaningful. The klondike boards will be standalone, and will be able to run when connected to a host via USB.

(please feel free to jump in if I have the details wrong here).

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Stop using branwallets

Since Avalon released their reference design does that mean it could be used to make 10 chip boards instead? Would that be easier / more reliable than the Klondike design?

Galli

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Sent 6.966 for 81 chips

thanks

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Quote from: Unacceptable on May 27, 2013, 10:29:49 PM

Quote from: Boxman90 on May 27, 2013, 06:40:29 PM

I just paid the 18.834 for 219 chips, but I don't understand the "sending address". Now I may be a total moron for not understanding this even though I've been active in BTC long enough, but how do I know what my sending address was?

Here's a tutorial of signing transactions:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/asicminer-usb-group-buy-orders-closed-pay-for-extra-195052

It's halfway down in the first post Grin

For those using the blockchain.info client, you can sign and verify messages here (I had a little trouble finding it the first time):

Receive Money -> Addresses (active) -> Actions -> Sign message
-- or --
Receive Money -> Addresses (active) -> More Actions -> Verify message

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34 chips bought. Signed message sent. I would like to buy the PCB and have you assemble. I will host on my end.

Thanks

Stringchains

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Payment of 13.78 BTC Sent for Another 160 Chips for Batch #4.

Thank you so very much Sir Steamboat!

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Quote from: ewitte on May 28, 2013, 09:33:09 AM

Quick question. I ordered 18 in case there is an issue with 1-2 of them. If there is more than 2 bad will the board function at reduced capacity with less chips installed?

The Klondike project (which this is based on) is slated to be functional with any number of chips up to and including 16 chips. Of course, until the designer actually has chips to test the functionality, everything is tentative, but I have every confidence that he'll be able to get it working as intended, in which case, the boards will function with any number of chips, and even if one in the series dies, they will continue to function, so long as the data lines remain intact within the damaged chip.

Worst case scenario, if the chip's data line is damaged, you only lose the hashing power of the 4 chips in that bank (there are 4 separate banks of 4 chips).

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Hi Steamboat,

Some questions on the hosting (couldn't find an answer on this thread)

What does the 8% hosting fee cover exactly? I understand power costs are to be distributed to the miners (somehow proportionately?), will the 8% cover security, electricity infrastructure upgrades, portal setup (assuming we can log into something to monitor our account?) A/C cooling/upgrades, insurance, central servers, data connection, replacement parts (PSUs, fans, cases etc), maintenance? There seems to be a lot of extra bits of overhead, will the 8% compensate you for your time and cover these misc costs?

Also, do you have the manpower ready to scale up/setup the hosting center? Might be good for us who are interesting in the hosting option to pay a one-time setup fee so there isn't a chance of the project being stalled or delayed because lack of hands

I apologize in advance if these questions have been asked and answered already.

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Quick question. I ordered 18 in case there is an issue with 1-2 of them. If there is more than 2 bad will the board function at reduced capacity with less chips installed?

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Quote from: frontbit on May 27, 2013, 10:00:07 PM

Quote from: wrenchmonkey on May 27, 2013, 08:29:09 PM

Good lord, why can't people read?

Read the first post of this thread, in its entirety, for more specific answers.

The chips are "tested" from Avalon, but you need to weigh that against the odds that bad chips can still slip past it. YOU AND YOU ALONE are responsible to ensure that you have enough chips, even if you end up with one or more chips that are faulty from the factory. If you don't buy extras ahead of time, you can buy replacements as needed, for an additional fee (as long as extra chips are available).

Thanks for your reply wrenchmonkey. I have of course read the first post. however, my question was in the case when I elect to use his assembling service and hosting. as in when the fault was found during assembly and/or hosting.

I should re-word my question then, In the case when my chips stay with steamboat (assembled and hosted by steamboat) should I (or do you recommend me to) buy extra chips in advance?

I am aware of below statement too

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In the event the customer has not purchased, or purchased an inadequate amount of, replacement chips, additional chips will be available for a fee of BTC0.0939.

and I am sure this depends on availability too.

The main reason I asked this question because I thought if this thing assembled and hosted by steamboat is easier to get replacement chip since the device stays with him.

Thanks.

You are responsible for ensuring that you have enough functional chips, regardless of where they are assembled, or where their final destination will be. Why would it be any different with a hosting solution. You still need to pay for enough chips (including defective ones) to get your system running properly.

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Sent payment for 18 chips. Hopefully I signed it correctly lol. Sending transaction id via PM.

frontbit

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Ordered 17 chips.

Payment and email sent.

I put down "I want to use your assembly and hosting service" in all the address fields and shipping type.
I hope that's the correct way.

Thanks.

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Quote from: Boxman90 on May 27, 2013, 06:40:29 PM

I just paid the 18.834 for 219 chips, but I don't understand the "sending address". Now I may be a total moron for not understanding this even though I've been active in BTC long enough, but how do I know what my sending address was?

Here's a tutorial of signing transactions:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/asicminer-usb-group-buy-orders-closed-pay-for-extra-195052

It's halfway down in the first post Grin

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Quote from: wrenchmonkey on May 27, 2013, 08:29:09 PM

Good lord, why can't people read?

Read the first post of this thread, in its entirety, for more specific answers.

The chips are "tested" from Avalon, but you need to weigh that against the odds that bad chips can still slip past it. YOU AND YOU ALONE are responsible to ensure that you have enough chips, even if you end up with one or more chips that are faulty from the factory. If you don't buy extras ahead of time, you can buy replacements as needed, for an additional fee (as long as extra chips are available).

Thanks for your reply wrenchmonkey. I have of course read the first post. however, my question was in the case when I elect to use his assembling service and hosting. as in when the fault was found during assembly and/or hosting.

I should re-word my question then, In the case when my chips stay with steamboat (assembled and hosted by steamboat) should I (or do you recommend me to) buy extra chips in advance?

I am aware of below statement too

Quote

In the event the customer has not purchased, or purchased an inadequate amount of, replacement chips, additional chips will be available for a fee of BTC0.0939.

and I am sure this depends on availability too.

The main reason I asked this question because I thought if this thing assembled and hosted by steamboat is easier to get replacement chip since the device stays with him.

Thanks.

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Quote from: frontbit on May 27, 2013, 08:03:04 PM

If I buy 16 chips and PCB and compoents from you and use your assembly and hosting service. does it guaranty that all 16 chips will work. or in this case do I need to buy extra chips in case of any defected chip? thanks.

Quote from: steamboat on May 01, 2013, 05:58:42 PM

Though Avalon has stated each chip will be tested prior to shipping, there are concerns regarding chip failure rates from batch purchases. The following solution will be adopted in the event faulty chips are discovered.

Chip purchase: BTC.086 per chip
PCB and components: $35 per 16 chip board
Assembly: $60 per 16 chip board
Testing: Price TBD. Testing will be available, with pricing determined once the procedure has been finalized.
Hosting: 8% flat fee based on miner production, plus electricity.

Good lord, why can't people read?

Snip:

Quote

In the event the customer has not purchased, or purchased an inadequate amount of, replacement chips, additional chips will be available for a fee of BTC0.0939.

Read the first post of this thread, in its entirety, for more specific answers.

The chips are "tested" from Avalon, but you need to weigh that against the odds that bad chips can still slip past it. YOU AND YOU ALONE are responsible to ensure that you have enough chips, even if you end up with one or more chips that are faulty from the factory. If you don't buy extras ahead of time, you can buy replacements as needed, for an additional fee (as long as extra chips are available).

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If I buy 16 chips and PCB and compoents from you and use your assembly and hosting service. does it guaranty that all 16 chips will work. or in this case do I need to buy extra chips in case of any defected chip? thanks.

Quote from: steamboat on May 01, 2013, 05:58:42 PM

Though Avalon has stated each chip will be tested prior to shipping, there are concerns regarding chip failure rates from batch purchases. The following solution will be adopted in the event faulty chips are discovered.

Chip purchase: BTC.086 per chip
PCB and components: $35 per 16 chip board
Assembly: $60 per 16 chip board
Testing: Price TBD. Testing will be available, with pricing determined once the procedure has been finalized.
Hosting: 8% flat fee based on miner production, plus electricity.

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0.8.1 beta. I made a topic, maybe you can give an explanation there: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/what-is-my-sending-address-also-strange-transaction-behavior-217998

cp1

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Stop using branwallets

They're your change addresses. Which wallet do you use?

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Quote from: logicbomb666 on May 27, 2013, 06:53:33 PM

look up the transaction details on blockchain.info

Weird, the "from" address in the transaction is not lsited in my addresses.. But if I then click on that address, it shows that that address has received coins from an address I do own.. But also it shows a bigger amount than I actually sent, and it says the correct amount sent to steamboat, and another amount to another address that's not mine - but that remainder is still in my wallet.

I don't understand this at all :/

Maybe I should wait until all confirmations went through.

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