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May 29, 2019, 01:05:39 AM
#31
A screenshot does not prove anything. Visa/Mastercard must keep payment records for 25 years and present in court if needed, not float about on net.
Same tax records for that payment is available to court.

Fact is someone paid for the Bitcoin.org domain in 2008 it is not something to make up (fabricate).

legendary
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May 29, 2019, 12:53:33 AM
#30
Putting the pieces together it appears team Satoshi as:
  • Craig, having the idea, wrote the white paper, registers and paid for the Bitcoin.org domain in 2008 (has tax records of it)
  • Dave, proof reading and helping with complex math issues.
  • "Unknow", implementing the code of the white paper (writing it) and communicating on the forum.

Ira, Dave's brother has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin and at first even voluntary forfeiting Dave's inheritance. (Dave died a miserable death)
Dave Kleiman needed money badly—his house was under foreclosure and he spent nearly three years in a VA hospital before he died.
Ira only later he became hyper greedy.
We may find out how much he will get within weeks.

It is rumored that Dave had a similar amount on his hard drive, but if that walled can ever be accessed is another matter.

the bit about him paying for the bitcoin.org domain is obviously bogus. that screenshot is totally fake. like every other attempt at "proof" he offers, it was quickly debunked: https://twitter.com/Mike__V_/status/1116752341108240384

what's your source for this elaborate story anyway, craig wright's court documents? isn't it plausible that he is just making it all up? Cheesy
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May 29, 2019, 12:32:50 AM
#29
Putting the pieces together it appears team Satoshi as:
  • Craig, having the idea, wrote the white paper, registers and paid for the Bitcoin.org domain in 2008 (has tax records of it)
  • Dave, proof reading and helping with complex math issues.
  • "Unknow", implementing the code of the white paper (writing it) and communicating on the forum.


Ira, Dave's brother has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin and at first even voluntary forfeiting Dave's inheritance. (Dave died a miserable death)
Dave Kleiman needed money badly—his house was under foreclosure and he spent nearly three years in a VA hospital before he died.
Ira only later he became hyper greedy.
We may find out how much he will get within weeks.

It is rumored that Dave had a similar amount on his hard drive, but if that walled can ever be accessed is another matter.
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May 28, 2019, 07:49:56 PM
#28
I ask what will happen to Bitcoin.com and if Roger will lose it. The chances of it happening are high, unlikely in weeks.

It is fair to say there is great confusion at current time of what is "Bitcoin". Bitcoin is what is described in the white paper, the building plan.
We all can agree (feel free to disagree) Craig did not create SegWit and there is no mention of it in the white paper.
If someone has a building plan of a bridge and he builds a house, he will have a hard time convincing someone with brains that he build according  plan.

What I say or anyone else on the net is irrelevant, everyone has his own brain to use.


OK, I'm glad you are at least acknowledging that Roger Ver will not surrender Bitcoin.com in "weeks" anymore. These types of details matter. Anyway, I searched the net for the original post by CSW threatening to unload one million BTC on the market, and all I found was some troll forums posting it. Also, bear in mind, he is currently embroiled in a lawsuit in Florida over these bitcoins. If he were to sell, assuming he has them, there could be serious legal and perhaps criminal implications for him. While I doubt he's Satoshi, there is a remote possibility he has access to a substantial amount of bitcoins.

The original post was on twitter https://twitter.com/ProfFaustus/status/1090075307439058944 but as twitter closed his account it's no longer available.
Its impossible to sell 1100111 BTC in one go (the tulip trust which becomes available on January 1, 2020)  the market could not even handle a tenth of it on a single sell order.

Exhibit 17 of the court case email to daves father he claims there is three key people* in the creation of bitcoin.
https://www.scribd.com/document/372445146/Exhibit-17

As he has the bitcoin copyright he can go to US Court and ask to issue an order for BCH and BTC to REMOVE the Bitcoin white paper from their network, their documents, their sale materials, and web sites such as Bitcoin.com, Bitcoin.org

Legal / criminal implications for selling his coins, how so? it the whole point of an advance notice if someone intents to get "cheap" coins they can get organized. Did anyone have any implication selling any of the forks coins when the got them.


*The third person maybe him, a guess.



OK, but a legal fight for possession of these intellectual assets would take years - they would wind through the courts and then get appealed. You do know that in some cases this process can take longer than five years? The courts in the U.S. are very slow. This is a best-case scenario, mind you.

I still don't think CSW will accomplish what he claims, given his goofiness and awkward way of asserting himself.
legendary
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May 28, 2019, 05:08:34 PM
#27
What makes you believe Wright and company have the means to do that? Just because he says so? Grin

They may have thousands of coins to dump and a non-negligible amount of hash rate, but I think the market will roundly reject their attempts to push the price down. Like 2012 and 2016, there will probably be a selloff near the halving and they may push the market even further down, but I'm confident their sells will be absorbed (like the last two halvings) and miners will continue to invest in BTC mining.

These guys are just like any other whales that try to manipulate the market in the wrong direction. The market will chew them up and spit them out if they try.

And that is why he is doing this.

Posting it to different social media network to gain the eyes of the people.
There will always be believers and they will follow what he said. But I dont think that is still enough to topple the price of bitcoin.
Yes, it might shake a bit but not to extent that will be going back years ago that consumed some holders into panic without any reason at all.

This is all just part of their greed technique to make easy profit. It is too obvious.
What happens is that these people have many influences in the networks, in news, that is, you could say that you can manipulate some news media to achieve certain goals, which is what the Strong Handas have always done when they want to instill panic in the people to sell them cheaply.
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May 28, 2019, 12:50:02 PM
#26
I ask what will happen to Bitcoin.com and if Roger will lose it. The chances of it happening are high, unlikely in weeks.

It is fair to say there is great confusion at current time of what is "Bitcoin". Bitcoin is what is described in the white paper, the building plan.
We all can agree (feel free to disagree) Craig did not create SegWit and there is no mention of it in the white paper.
If someone has a building plan of a bridge and he builds a house, he will have a hard time convincing someone with brains that he build according  plan.

What I say or anyone else on the net is irrelevant, everyone has his own brain to use.


OK, I'm glad you are at least acknowledging that Roger Ver will not surrender Bitcoin.com in "weeks" anymore. These types of details matter. Anyway, I searched the net for the original post by CSW threatening to unload one million BTC on the market, and all I found was some troll forums posting it. Also, bear in mind, he is currently embroiled in a lawsuit in Florida over these bitcoins. If he were to sell, assuming he has them, there could be serious legal and perhaps criminal implications for him. While I doubt he's Satoshi, there is a remote possibility he has access to a substantial amount of bitcoins.

The original post was on twitter https://twitter.com/ProfFaustus/status/1090075307439058944 but as twitter closed his account it's no longer available.
Its impossible to sell 1100111 BTC in one go (the tulip trust which becomes available on January 1, 2020)  the market could not even handle a tenth of it on a single sell order.

Exhibit 17 of the court case email to daves father he claims there is three key people* in the creation of bitcoin.
https://www.scribd.com/document/372445146/Exhibit-17

As he has the bitcoin copyright he can go to US Court and ask to issue an order for BCH and BTC to REMOVE the Bitcoin white paper from their network, their documents, their sale materials, and web sites such as Bitcoin.com, Bitcoin.org

Legal / criminal implications for selling his coins, how so? it the whole point of an advance notice if someone intents to get "cheap" coins they can get organized. Did anyone have any implication selling any of the forks coins when the got them.


*The third person maybe him, a guess.

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May 28, 2019, 12:08:42 PM
#25
What makes you believe Wright and company have the means to do that? Just because he says so? Grin

They may have thousands of coins to dump and a non-negligible amount of hash rate, but I think the market will roundly reject their attempts to push the price down. Like 2012 and 2016, there will probably be a selloff near the halving and they may push the market even further down, but I'm confident their sells will be absorbed (like the last two halvings) and miners will continue to invest in BTC mining.

These guys are just like any other whales that try to manipulate the market in the wrong direction. The market will chew them up and spit them out if they try.

And that is why he is doing this.

Posting it to different social media network to gain the eyes of the people.
There will always be believers and they will follow what he said. But I dont think that is still enough to topple the price of bitcoin.
Yes, it might shake a bit but not to extent that will be going back years ago that consumed some holders into panic without any reason at all.

This is all just part of their greed technique to make easy profit. It is too obvious.
sr. member
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May 28, 2019, 11:41:48 AM
#24
I ask what will happen to Bitcoin.com and if Roger will lose it. The chances of it happening are high, unlikely in weeks.

It is fair to say there is great confusion at current time of what is "Bitcoin". Bitcoin is what is described in the white paper, the building plan.
We all can agree (feel free to disagree) Craig did not create SegWit and there is no mention of it in the white paper.
If someone has a building plan of a bridge and he builds a house, he will have a hard time convincing someone with brains that he build according  plan.

What I say or anyone else on the net is irrelevant, everyone has his own brain to use.


OK, I'm glad you are at least acknowledging that Roger Ver will not surrender Bitcoin.com in "weeks" anymore. These types of details matter. Anyway, I searched the net for the original post by CSW threatening to unload one million BTC on the market, and all I found was some troll forums posting it. Also, bear in mind, he is currently embroiled in a lawsuit in Florida over these bitcoins. If he were to sell, assuming he has them, there could be serious legal and perhaps criminal implications for him. While I doubt he's Satoshi, there is a remote possibility he has access to a substantial amount of bitcoins.
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May 28, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
#23
getting fear out of uncertainty might be the reason why craig always do the talking. Since he had also been holding huge coin then he has the capacity to push down or up the coin. Well, let just say that this is part of their strategy to earn more and at the same time to give more excitement among cryptocurrency users. It is somehow good to have like Craig for even if he had a good or bad publicity is will do good for cryptocurrency.

As the days passed in the stay here in the forum, I have learn a lot with bitcoin and that is one important thing that happen.
hv_
legendary
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May 28, 2019, 01:35:01 AM
#22
Legally he must inform in advance if he indents to sell large amounts.

According to what laws? BTC isn't a security and Craig Wright is not a company insider. He doesn't need to disclose anything under any law I've ever heard of.

There's no such thing as "insider trading" with BTC so he doesn't need to use a 10b5-1 plan or anything like that. And if he were trying to comply with Rule 10b5-1, his little social media FUD doesn't meet the requirements.

Right, he doesn't really need to atm - there is no regulation in place.

But to be save u might deduct things from standard regs, like for (finite) stocks - where u can calc e.g. thresholds and more,  and must report such stuff in most juristictions.
That's kind a proactive due dilligence.

 
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May 28, 2019, 12:59:32 AM
#21
What makes you believe Wright and company have the means to do that? Just because he says so? Grin They may have thousands of coins to dump and a non-negligible amount of hash rate, but I think the market will roundly reject their attempts to push the price down. Like 2012 and 2016, there will probably be a selloff near the halving and they may push the market even further down, but I'm confident their sells will be absorbed (like the last two halvings) and miners will continue to invest in BTC mining. These guys are just like any other whales that try to manipulate the market in the wrong direction. The market will chew them up and spit them out if they try.

In my own opinion, we have a more mature market right now compared to many years ago when people can easily be swayed by FUDS and baseless opinions. I don't think CSW has that capacity he mentioned in that post. He is just bluffing and he is enjoying if he can fool even just one person much more if he is gaining the attention of thousands. Let Craig Wright say whatever he wants to say -- the more we listen to him the more he is encouraged to send us more jokes.
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Bitcoin © Maximalist
May 28, 2019, 12:42:55 AM
#20
I ask what will happen to Bitcoin.com and if Roger will lose it. The chances of it happening are high, unlikely in weeks.

It is fair to say there is great confusion at current time of what is "Bitcoin". Bitcoin is what is described in the white paper, the building plan.
We all can agree (feel free to disagree) Craig did not create SegWit and there is no mention of it in the white paper.
If someone has a building plan of a bridge and he builds a house, he will have a hard time convincing someone with brains that he build according  plan.

What I say or anyone else on the net is irrelevant, everyone has his own brain to use.
sr. member
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May 27, 2019, 04:53:28 PM
#19
This 2018 post will be entertaining when it happens.

Capital C for capitalism. BitCoin.

I cannot trust this guy and I wonder why we give him attention anymore.
If he had the chance to do that, he will do it without posting it. He just want to scare bitcoin holders and spread them or attract them to their project.

...And one more point, if he was the real Satoshi, why would he ever to that to Bitcoin?

Legally he must inform in advance if he indents to sell large amounts.
What someone does with the information is entirely up to each individual. If someone is of the opinion it is fud, so be it.
He did not create segwit and got airdroped over 1 million BTC, so its only natural to dispose of it over the years, starting in earnest sometime next year.
His only interested is BitCoin.

Aren't you the same person who claimed a while back that Roger Ver would be forced to surrender Bitcoin.com to CSW in a matter of "weeks?" I'm still waiting for the transfer of the domain - I won't be holding my breath.
legendary
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May 27, 2019, 02:41:50 PM
#18
Not disclosing large sales  of an assets is a crime, this is long term warning ⚠️, anyone is free to make of it what they what.

A crime, according to what law? Roll Eyes

The link you provided only says the Israeli Central Bank considers BTC an asset instead of a currency. What does this have to do with public disclosure requirements for selling large amounts of BTC? Wright said he made this announcement to comply with UK and US laws, nothing to do with Israel.

He's just talking out of his arse as usual and you, amazingly, believe him.
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May 27, 2019, 02:35:22 PM
#17
Not disclosing large sales  of an assets is a crime, this is long term warning ⚠️, anyone is free to make of it what they what.
legendary
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May 27, 2019, 02:19:57 PM
#16
Legally he must inform in advance if he indents to sell large amounts.

According to what laws? BTC isn't a security and Craig Wright is not a company insider. He doesn't need to disclose anything under any law I've ever heard of.

There's no such thing as "insider trading" with BTC so he doesn't need to use a 10b5-1 plan or anything like that. And if he were trying to comply with Rule 10b5-1, his little social media FUD doesn't meet the requirements.
sr. member
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Bitcoin © Maximalist
May 27, 2019, 02:08:35 PM
#15
This 2018 post will be entertaining when it happens.

Capital C for capitalism. BitCoin.

I cannot trust this guy and I wonder why we give him attention anymore.
If he had the chance to do that, he will do it without posting it. He just want to scare bitcoin holders and spread them or attract them to their project.

...And one more point, if he was the real Satoshi, why would he ever to that to Bitcoin?

Legally he must inform in advance if he indents to sell large amounts.
What someone does with the information is entirely up to each individual. If someone is of the opinion it is fud, so be it.
He did not create segwit and got airdroped over 1 million BTC, so its only natural to dispose of it over the years, starting in earnest sometime next year.
His only interested is BitCoin.
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May 27, 2019, 01:17:06 PM
#14
This 2018 post will be entertaining when it happens.

Capital C for capitalism. BitCoin.

I cannot trust this guy and I wonder why we give him attention anymore.
If he had the chance to do that, he will do it without posting it. He just want to scare bitcoin holders and spread them or attract them to their project.

...And one more point, if he was the real Satoshi, why would he ever to that to Bitcoin?
legendary
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May 27, 2019, 12:38:36 PM
#13
It does not say which reward halving, but at the time of the BTC airdrop no halving took place.

he's obviously referring to the 2020 halving, because that would follow the supposed unlocking of the "tulip trust"..... Roll Eyes

say what you will about craig wright, but i'm thoroughly enjoying watching him make an ass of himself. he will get his comeuppance someday. for now, i eat popcorn.
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May 27, 2019, 12:24:46 PM
#12
BTW, it's John McAfee not Craig Wright  Undecided

Oh I'm sorry, they are both clowns, so... Roll Eyes
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