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legendary
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June 04, 2019, 03:23:24 PM
#71
You mostly know nothing in this world

https://mobile.twitter.com/cryptorebel_SV/status/1135903217034956802

Me included
legendary
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June 04, 2019, 02:18:44 PM
#70
The devs would need to devise some backup plan for it, they cant just underestimate CSW and treat him like a clown, because we dont know who he might be working with for the decryption of Satoshi's wallet. I dont want to spread any FUD, just to be realistic.

Why would you assume he has access to Satoshi's encrypted wallet in the first place? If anything is clear by now, it's that Wright had nothing to do with the creation of Bitcoin. Even if he could brute force the wallet (doubtful), I don't see how he would ever get his hands on it.

I didnt, I read somewhere he have it.

Ah, then it seems doubtful indeed. Surely Wright or the BSV camp put out that information themselves. Their coin's fundamentals seem to rely on an endless stream of rumors, FUD, and naivety about giant block sizes. This whole narrative about the Satoshi wallet fits right in.

"We're going to 51% attack Bitcoin and pump BSV with the Satoshi coins.....better dump your BTC and buy BSV before it's too late!" Cheesy
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June 04, 2019, 01:13:10 PM
#69
The devs would need to devise some backup plan for it, they cant just underestimate CSW and treat him like a clown, because we dont know who he might be working with for the decryption of Satoshi's wallet. I dont want to spread any FUD, just to be realistic.

Why would you assume he has access to Satoshi's encrypted wallet in the first place? If anything is clear by now, it's that Wright had nothing to do with the creation of Bitcoin. Even if he could brute force the wallet (doubtful), I don't see how he would ever get his hands on it.


I didnt, I read somewhere he have it.
legendary
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June 04, 2019, 12:59:30 PM
#68
The devs would need to devise some backup plan for it, they cant just underestimate CSW and treat him like a clown, because we dont know who he might be working with for the decryption of Satoshi's wallet. I dont want to spread any FUD, just to be realistic.

Why would you assume he has access to Satoshi's encrypted wallet in the first place? If anything is clear by now, it's that Wright had nothing to do with the creation of Bitcoin. Even if he could brute force the wallet (doubtful), I don't see how he would ever get his hands on it.
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June 04, 2019, 08:43:58 AM
#67
A long time ago I read that only NSA have the capabilities to break encryption on the level found in Truecrypt and Veracrypt. CSW is cooperating (and even flattering) the anglo governments for some reason, and I believe is to have help from NSA or a similar agency.

The volume where Satoshis coins are located its encrypted with Truecrypt, and the computers which CSW masked as a "mining operation" are trying to break it. They probably have a deadline which would be january 2020, when the decryption would end.

Then, he would dump one million BTC on the exchanges, for $1200 each, which would give him 1.2 billion dollars. This money he would use to pay for a 51% attack on the BTC chain. Since its illegal to dump high volumes without a notice, he is doing this notice right now, believing the decryption will succeed in january 2020. If not, he would use a second deadline by the middle of 2020, when the halving happens. Thats what I understand from his posts.

What could be done about it? Supposing he could get this money out from hundreds of exchanges (we are talking about 1.2 billion dollars) and would pay for this 51% attack, and then capture the network for himself, the best solution would be to do a hard fork, locking Satoshi addresses in the forked version as soon as CSW started moving the coins stored there. This should be done before these coins hit the exchanges, and the exchanges would need to change to the forked version too. In this way, the disaster could be prevented.

The devs would need to devise some backup plan for it, they cant just underestimate CSW and treat him like a clown, because we dont know who he might be working with for the decryption of Satoshi's wallet. I dont want to spread any FUD, just to be realistic. Also, this tale about Paul Le Roux could be an attempt to discredit bitcoin, in case the decryption fails by halving time. If Paul Le Roux was really Satoshi, they would have the password for the wallet already, as they could just torture him in prison. I dont believe this would work, as most people dont give a fuck who Satoshi was.
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legendary
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June 04, 2019, 08:06:08 AM
#66
I like how Craig Wrights starts the post with "We (I)"...
It makes me think that he believes in himself to be the GOD of bitcoin,the ultimate crypto dictator.
Freakin' megallomanic... Grin
Anyway,his plans to ruin btc went in the trash.

Have a check 18months later

 Grin
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June 04, 2019, 07:05:03 AM
#65
I like how Craig Wrights starts the post with "We (I)"...
It makes me think that he believes in himself to be the GOD of bitcoin,the ultimate crypto dictator.
Freakin' megallomanic... Grin
Anyway,his plans to ruin btc went in the trash.
legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
June 03, 2019, 05:50:04 AM
#64
Shelby asked me to make an edit (addition) to his quote i posted above, it is the additional text starting with "SUBJECT: I don’t think crypto can fix the West"

whatever your views of religion or him personally are, he is worth paying attention to.

as far as my personal view of CSVs advance notice: "so long, and thanks for all the fish"
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June 03, 2019, 12:09:31 AM
#63
an observation from Shelby:


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Hope this is the last follow-up, because I really don’t want to be posting on this forum, but this is very important for readers. Want to make clear what our options are and what the reality of the situation really is.

Quote from: hv_ on Today at 10:22:13 AM
Sigh, world s financial markets and regulations are not a wish concert.

And yes, it's pretty much overdone and overregulated , totally agreed

But how can u safely and sustainable change that to a better?

Try to offend it openly by using clear and obvious illegal protocols and expect world wide adoption?

Would that ever work knowing before there are 100s of analysts and cyber risks experts sitting on every such gateway where we see they can stop things and close down every that touches law by any means?

My point is that there’s nothing we can do to change the fact that satism will enslave those who want to participate in the statist economy. How can one honestly expect to partake in an evil thing and not be subject to evil? Of course statism is all about defection and cheating on each other via the collective, so of course everyone (other than the devout Christian) prefers to cheat than be honest with themselves.

Instead come out of the statism and only use cryptocurrency in the non-statist economy of like-minded (probably devout “superrational” Christians, because others will be “rationally” selfish and turn against you when convenient) individuals who refuse to report transactions to and source their services and goods from the statist economy. In that case anonymity is irrelevant, e.g. refer to everything as a gift which is for example excluded from taxation in the U.S.A.. Additionally if careful about meta-data and knowing your entire community is using the same ISP, then individual identity can’t be traced on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Better on-chain anonymity might be helpful for those who come out of the Great Harlot statism (yet not absolutely necessary), but it won’t help those who don’t come out of the statism, because statist economy meta-data will be impossible to scramble sufficiently.

Given that Bitcoin’s mutability can’t be challenged, per the game theory and economics of the SegWit donations attack that is coming, we have no option of adding on-chain anonymity to the store-of-value cryptocurrency which already has the most network effects and mining adoption that can’t possibly be superseded any more:

https://medium.com/@shelby_78386/secrets-of-bitcoins-dystopian-valuation-model-cbf95efa3542

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@anonymint/secrets-of-bitcoin-s-dystopian-valuation-model

The only competition now is potentially for a transaction volume scaling coin and for the reasons I explained on my above linked blog, the scaling coin can’t also be the hodler store-of-value coin.

And because adaptive block size is insecure (or trustless due to centralized control over parameters, which is thus insecure), it’s not even clear that a secure, trustless scaling coin can be constructed.

Quote from: hv_ on Today at 10:22:13 AM
What is the correct strategy to get Bitcoin adoption world wide?

A ) btc with shit protocol changes and dropped signatures plus 2nd layer stuff against aml checks?

B ) bch going anarcho and dark protocol

C ) bsv, stay as clean as possible and openly go the most transparent and regulation friendly road map?

Whether you like it or not, the store-of-value coin is Satoshi’s immutable v0.5.3 protocol. And this will be enforced soon with the SegWit donations attack on the Core shitcoin. Per my first post in this thread (relayed via @infofront because this is very important), Craig is apparently claiming they will initiate Satoshi’s cleverly designed defense mechanism. So Craig is playing the role of fooling those mindless bunny rabbits (http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-piss-me-the-fuck-off-a-guide/) who idolize nonsense so much that they can’t even correctly interpret what Craig is really saying. This is again how Satan is giving people their free will as he corrupts them with idolization. You have your free will to correctly interpret that invariants of the reality here, or irrationally idolize what you wish would a snowflake reality.

Poor try to dispute deductive arguments by falling back to ppl name calling and 'Satan' summon of fear.. lol

Shelby did better in the past

legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
June 02, 2019, 05:55:43 PM
#62
an observation from Shelby:


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Hope this is the last follow-up, because I really don’t want to be posting on this forum, but this is very important for readers. Want to make clear what our options are and what the reality of the situation really is.

Quote from: hv_ on Today at 10:22:13 AM
Sigh, world s financial markets and regulations are not a wish concert.

And yes, it's pretty much overdone and overregulated , totally agreed

But how can u safely and sustainable change that to a better?

Try to offend it openly by using clear and obvious illegal protocols and expect world wide adoption?

Would that ever work knowing before there are 100s of analysts and cyber risks experts sitting on every such gateway where we see they can stop things and close down every that touches law by any means?

My point is that there’s nothing we can do to change the fact that satism will enslave those who want to participate in the statist economy. How can one honestly expect to partake in an evil thing and not be subject to evil? Of course statism is all about defection and cheating on each other via the collective, so of course everyone (other than the devout Christian) prefers to cheat than be honest with themselves.

Instead come out of the statism and only use cryptocurrency in the non-statist economy of like-minded (probably devout “superrational” Christians, because others will be “rationally” selfish and turn against you when convenient) individuals who refuse to report transactions to and source their services and goods from the statist economy. In that case anonymity is irrelevant, e.g. refer to everything as a gift which is for example excluded from taxation in the U.S.A.. Additionally if careful about meta-data and knowing your entire community is using the same ISP, then individual identity can’t be traced on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Better on-chain anonymity might be helpful for those who come out of the Great Harlot statism (yet not absolutely necessary), but it won’t help those who don’t come out of the statism, because statist economy meta-data will be impossible to scramble sufficiently.

Given that Bitcoin’s mutability can’t be challenged, per the game theory and economics of the SegWit donations attack that is coming, we have no option of adding on-chain anonymity to the store-of-value cryptocurrency which already has the most network effects and mining adoption that can’t possibly be superseded any more:

https://medium.com/@shelby_78386/secrets-of-bitcoins-dystopian-valuation-model-cbf95efa3542

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@anonymint/secrets-of-bitcoin-s-dystopian-valuation-model

The only competition now is potentially for a transaction volume scaling coin and for the reasons I explained on my above linked blog, the scaling coin can’t also be the hodler store-of-value coin.

And because adaptive block size is insecure (or trustless due to centralized control over parameters, which is thus insecure), it’s not even clear that a secure, trustless scaling coin can be constructed.

Quote from: hv_ on Today at 10:22:13 AM
What is the correct strategy to get Bitcoin adoption world wide?

A ) btc with shit protocol changes and dropped signatures plus 2nd layer stuff against aml checks?

B ) bch going anarcho and dark protocol

C ) bsv, stay as clean as possible and openly go the most transparent and regulation friendly road map?

Whether you like it or not, the store-of-value coin is Satoshi’s immutable v0.5.3 protocol. And this will be enforced soon with the SegWit donations attack on the Core shitcoin. Per my first post in this thread (relayed via @infofront because this is very important), Craig is apparently claiming they will initiate Satoshi’s cleverly designed defense mechanism. So Craig is playing the role of fooling those mindless bunny rabbits (http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-piss-me-the-fuck-off-a-guide/) who idolize nonsense so much that they can’t even correctly interpret what Craig is really saying. This is again how Satan is giving people their free will as he corrupts them with idolization. You have your free will to correctly interpret that invariants of the reality here, or irrationally idolize what you wish would a snowflake reality.

SUBJECT: I don’t think crypto can fix the West

I don’t think crypto can fix the West. The West must crash and burn.

So I ignore Craig’s vacuous blather about legal compliance. The West will turn batshit insane and lawless, totalitarianism will prevail.

There is absolutely nothing we can do in the cryptocosm to avert that outcome.

False hopes are not going to help us survive what is coming.

Bitcoin should resist all government interference in terms on-chain transactions. But no form of money can resist the government thugs with “rubber hoses” at the on and off-ramps.

All the cheerleading about scaling and adoption is vacuous, inapplicable nonsense. Bitcoin is being adopted as a superior gold by the wealthy who want to store their assets out-of-reach of the government. The problem is if you don’t come out of the Great Harlot system, then the government is going to find some way to take it all away.

Stop thinking about good times coming. About how many yachts you’re going to buy and living the good life. Bad times are coming. Very bad times. Prepare accordingly.
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legendary
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June 02, 2019, 09:22:13 AM
#61
Sigh, world s financial markets and regulations are not a wish concert.

And yes, it's pretty much overdone and overregulated , totally agreed

But how can u safely and sustainable change that to a better?

Try to offend it openly by using clear and obvious illegal protocols and expect world wide adoption?

Would that ever work knowing before there are 100s of analysts and cyber risks experts sitting on every such gateway where we see they can stop things and close down every that touches law by any means?

What is the correct strategy to get Bitcoin adoption world wide?

A ) btc with shit protocol changes and dropped signatures plus 2nd layer stuff against aml checks?

B ) bch going anarcho and dark protocol

C ) bsv, stay as clean as possible and openly go the most transparent and regulation friendly road map?

Try to be analytical and make ur choice

 Grin

Edit: You can do such analysis by yourself and will magically find out Satoshi and CSW are with u and choose C

That's what is causing all that trouble we see atm

U always find one who is better https://mobile.twitter.com/CryptoBlueMoon/status/1135193572037148672
legendary
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Be a bank
June 01, 2019, 06:21:40 AM
#60
-snip-

This part is also ridiculous and also dishonest.

They'd have to store up millions of the most efficient - at the time of this 'attack' - mining rigs but not mine on them yet.

The budget to do that is left as exercise to the reader.


 # Craig Wright is a fraud.

This is the posited SegWit donations attack, with the booty piling up high in time for May 2020:

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@anonymint/ps965c

You’re ostensibly misinterpreting what his statement means. Craig is ostensibly referring to the real Satoshi v0.5.3 protocol BTC network that will have forced the Core protocol to fork off. He means 51+% of the hashrate that was on Core’s protocol will have switched (i.e. it will not be only Craig’s hashrate given that many miners will want partake in the donations booty).

He is pointing out that until all the SegWit donations are taken (since only so many can fit into a block), the real BTC miners will not be accepting other transactions.

Of course transactions might still proceed on the forked off Core protocol if the hashrate doesn’t drop too low yet it might become far too congested with cratering hashrate, and it will no longer than the longest chain and presumably will be collapsing in price. Perhaps you can sell your free airdropped Core BTC while retaining ownership of your real BTC if you had stored your BTC correct with addresses that begin with 1 and not 3. You’d want to mix your Core BTC transactions with some UTXO input that was created after the fork so that it’s invalid to replay on the real BTC protocol (so you don’t spend your real BTC). Problem is exchanges may not split your BTC for you fast enough to profit on the dumping. And Core chain will likely become congested. Exchanges who have their BTC in SegWit addresses will be bankrupted.

So now we see that BSV is just a deco[y]. What Craig (or his backers) really want is the real Bitcoin. They fool the plebs into thinking he wants scaling and BSV.

This also has some bearing:

300 million buys ~100,000 s17 pros https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/asic-miners-for-sale-by-offordscott-western-hemisphere-americas-5138318 if you could get that many, with some discount
50 Th/s x 100,000 = 5 million T = 5 exahash


OK. But of course, Ayre runs SQR, which uses Samsung to fab their ASICs directly.
STT
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May 31, 2019, 03:08:19 PM
#59
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BSV is real Bitcoin

Outside of picking favourites just demonstrate to us why that would be.   I always look at the nature within a system rather then the label and we cannot just rely on the word of one person.   Isnt it obvious to rely on one person would be the worst kind of centralisation which goes against the foundations of this whole area of development.    Its not about liking or disliking this person, I dont care either way really but without many cooperating reasons to respect BSV its unlikely to ever go anywhere or deserve that success.  
legendary
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May 31, 2019, 12:41:31 PM
#58
Why are you guys so surprised that there are people who believe in Craig and his idea of BSV? I mean after all there are people who VOTE for dictators in this world, there are people who also murder and steal and rape so we can establish that there are both bad people on this earth and also gullible idiot people on this earth.

If that is clear enough well Craig has a leadership mentality, dude literally tries to grab as much attention as he can and in return some news websites and his twitter makes sure he gets that attention. Then he uses it to attract people to his idiotic idea and persona and the gullible are just idiot so they believe it and the bad people are just in it to make sure they profit from it as well. That is the whole ordeal and doesn't matter how much it increases in price it will never be accepted by the public.
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Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis
May 30, 2019, 03:26:50 PM
#57
Wanna destroy things u have no influence in.

You know I could say exactly the same about your master right?
Don't want to destroy anything (though I wouldn't mind if BSV was destroyed) & of course I have next to zero influence. Exactly like your master & BTC.

@ðºÞæ, that's a pathetic attempt indeed.
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May 30, 2019, 03:19:25 PM
#56

https://craigwright.net/blog/bitcoin-blockchain-tech/satoshi-and-science/

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Satoshi and Science
By Craig Wright | 30 May 2019 | Alternative Coins & Systems

The scientific principle applies in all aspects of life, including jurisprudence and law. It has done so for a long time. Generally speaking, the scientific principle is applied in the methodology followed below.

    Step 1 : Question. The “thing” that you want to know.
    Step 2 : Research. Conduct research.
    Step 3 : Hypothesis. Educated guess or prediction of the outcome experiment.
    Step 4: Experiment. Test the hypothesis.
    Step 5: Observations. Data you collect during the experiment.
    Step 6: Results/Conclusion.
    Step 7: Communicate.

Those seeking to discredit me are going to find out the hard way how law works. I don’t need to give more than I need to give as evidence. Bitcoin isn’t ‘code is law,’ it is not about replacing courts. Rather, it augments them. People don’t want me stepping into court in seeking to prove I created Bitcoin because it robs them of the narrative. I’ve had enough of people taking my invention and twisting it into something corrupted and rotten, and it’s not going to continue. They are going to learn what Bitcoin was and is really about. It is about the opposite of Liberty Reserve. It is about the opposite of e-gold. It is designed to rip apart and end forever everything that such systems promote.

I’ve said it before: careful what you wish for.

I’m not good with people and not good in groups, which is part of why I vanished in 2015 as I was uncovered. No, I did not make a claim in 2015; I vanished, others made the claim. In particular, people such as Greg Maxwell worked to ensure that I was outed in a way that would make me disappear. But I grow and learn, I am stepping up, and I will take responsibility for my invention and make sure that the crimes that such people are helping are uncovered.

Bitcoin isn’t some immutable system that acts outside of the law. Such is what criminals want, and it is not what I developed. If you think blockchain helps you make a criminal system, one that cannot be stopped, then you are absolutely stupid. Bitcoin is about the same as having a bunch of law enforcement officials that are incorruptible walk behind you every step of the way any time you want to create a crime. When you’re acting responsibly and within the law, they are not there. When you seek to scam people, to engage in fraud, it is a system that will record your actions.

I’ve said many times that Bitcoin was set in stone. To be decentralised, it requires a stable protocol. In fact, as I have said, “the only job the network needs to do is to tell whether a spend of an outpoint is the first or not.” Nodes don’t set protocol changes, they choose to enforce existing rules and can put limits within such rules. No more, no less.

What you are going to discover is that I am pro law and that there is no anarchy in Bitcoin.

I’m choosing court as a means to prove my identity as it is the correct place to determine truth. If you believe the truth is obtained through a key, then you are seeking something other than Bitcoin. Which is what people such as those who created Silk Road wanted. They are the ones who took my invention and tried to flush it down the toilet and ended up getting 1% of what they deserved as a result. And yes, I believe they got off easy.

It’s remarkably funny how people keep quoting things that I didn’t say or that are taken out of context. Some of the so-called quotes attributed to me are not what I said, rather comments I was rebutting. There is no single quote in existence from my time when I acted as Satoshi that is anti-bank, that is anti-government, or that is anti-court. There is nothing in my entire time talking to people that can be taken to be even remotely anarchist. Yet people cherry-pick parts of a statement and twist it maliciously to create something that BitCoin was not.

My code was always covered by copyright. It’s right there in the initial version. The © marker means that I expressed copyright and intellectual property law from day one. I did not bypass and give up copyright. I allowed licensing of the code. And even that does not cover passing off. Ethereum, as much as a dead end as it is, is not passing off trying to be Bitcoin. Litecoin, as much as a childish representation of the system it is that follows any stupid change, is not trying to pass itself off as Bitcoin. BTC is. It split, and resulted as an airdrop copy that has fraudulently been using the name of Bitcoin from 2017 on.

The aim of all such changes and the fraudulent airdrop is very simple: it’s an attempt to make a system that acts outside of law, allows terrorist funding, and helps many other scams and frauds. That’s it. And the thing is, it’s very very simple to stop. People are going to wake up one day and not find that the value of their BTC investment is diminishing, but that it is zero. When such types of crime coins end, they don’t end slowly — they end in an instant. One moment you will be looking at US$8000 per coin, the next global trading will be suspended. More importantly, miners who seek to violate such orders will find themselves incarcerated, and they will find their equipment seized. They will be allowed to stop mining BTC and continue mining other coins. They will then simply move from scams such as BTC onto Bitcoin and recover some of the losses. It is, of course, why the scam-coin (BTC) developers at Core seek to try to manipulate the system and remove miners — they want to make it harder to stop, but the problem is: Bitcoin is resilient to what they intend to do. The crime-coin attack is one of the things I spent years working on stopping.

In court, I get to put up evidence. If any of it was falsified, people could point it out and I would go to prison. Unfortunately for the crime-coin developers, there is nothing I will be submitting that is fraudulent. Bitcoin (BSV) is a single system. There are no splits in Bitcoin. Bitcoin is the original system, and is designed such that a transaction signed in 2009 will be valid in 2150. I don’t really care what Ethereum or Litecoin does, they have little to do with my invention other than being poor copies.

You are going to have to put up with me as Satoshi, and I don’t care if you like it. It’s very simple: there is no evidence you can ever propose that ever contradicts anything I’ve said, and there never will be. There’s not a single post that I made as Satoshi that conflicts. In 10 years, my personality has changed a little, I’ve grown, and I’ve learnt much more. I have been angry and gotten over it, and like everyone, I’m older but still the same person, and I still believe in a world of law and order. That is, a representative democracy. A system without fraud and a system where people can live without fear. It opposes anarchy, and I will never support a system that acts allowing the strong depression of the weak.

The true market of BTC is zero. When it’s stopped, it will just end. You know how much e-gold is worth today? Zero. Liberty Reserve US Dollars? Zero. You see, here lies the bit people don’t understand. As soon as a system of such kind starts to move outside of the legal constructions that allow it to operate, it stands on a foundation of watered sand and will eventually collapse. When it collapses, it can never be recovered. When you understand this, you will understand why I created Bitcoin to act within the law.

Because I backed away from publicity, people were able to defame me, to libel me, and to get away with it, but no more. People will learn the hard way that I don’t need to jump through what they say I need to prove. Code is not law, and it will never ever in the entirety of the universe even slightly resemble law, because it is a childish dream by people who cannot think beyond the realm of eight-year-olds. Law is flexible and grows. The common law has been created over centuries, and exceeds anything that some prepubescent seeking to make a distributed system without knowledge of anything about how the real world works can be.

The takeaway here is that I’m going to clean out the cryptocurrency space whether you like it or not.

If you want to pretend to be Satoshi, I will see you end in prison. This is the thing, this is how evidence and scientific principles work. It doesn’t matter whether I give you what you want, it’s not a falsifiable claim. I have a claim that I am Satoshi and that I created the white paper. It is potentially falsifiable and, if I lied, may be disproven. In court, there are consequences. I’ve made my claim under oath. I have sworn it in a court of law. If it turns out that I’m not, I will face 20 years in prison. The thing is, it will never happen, because I am the creator of Bitcoin.

Alternatively, the way I’m going to clean up the space is to force every single person involved in the space to either swear they are Satoshi and created Bitcoin or back down and apologise.

If they claim to be Satoshi, it is a falsifiable premise. That is scientific. Here’s the thing: I don’t need to tell you what I will do in order to discredit any particular individual at any particular time. Bitcoin is based on game theory. Like poker, my cards are kept close. Some want me to tell what my holdings are, how many bitcoin I have, when I can spend them and how. I won’t. When you see it coming, it will be too late. You won’t get notification of the end. You’ll wake up one day, and BTC will be trading at zero.

Please note, this is not market manipulation, it is truth. I am pre-warning you. I’m the one living in a jurisdiction — unlike conman John — that allows extradition, prison sentences, and law. I’m not hiding. When I act, and eventually I will, BTC will not ever be called Bitcoin again and people seeking to do so will be shown to be the fraud and scammers they are.

If you think I’m joking, if you think I’m not serious, if you think that I can’t prove what I’m saying, then I’m going to be looking forward to meeting you in court. And I’m not going to give more than I need at any time. I will give the minimum amount of proof to ensure that I win, and no more. I’m going to take pitiful people like Peter McCormick apart, as sad as it is, because of their stupidity and as a lesson. People are going to learn that you cannot lie and cheat and defame people without consequences. In time, if I have to, I will work one by one through every person in the BTC community, until they all either wear orange suits, apologise, or disappear. No exceptions.

I don’t care if you privately want to believe me or not. If you think it matters, you don’t understand Bitcoin. I have reason for doing things the way I do them, and I used an MIT licence as it is patent-friendly. I intentionally did not use other open licences as they oppose intellectual property licences. I expressed copyright on my authorship from 2008.

The mere signing of a key is not evidence, and such was never the intention of Bitcoin. In fact, escrow can incorporate the introduction of contracts linked directly to courts.

The process of what’s going to happen is that I’m going to make people like Roger Ver, Vitalik Buterin, and the Core team stand up in court and formally apologise or be in contempt. They can work out how long you get to stay in prison when you’re in contempt and choose when they want to come out of the orange jumpsuit and apologise. You see, I don’t care whether you believe. Belief has nothing to do with science. You could say that you don’t like me and that in your opinion I haven’t given strong enough evidence, which sorts of things are legal and covered under free speech. Lies, defamation, and hate crime are not covered under free speech.

So all of the frauds out there claiming that they had worked with me are going to find that I’m going to discredit what they say. I’m going to do so in court, and I’m going to do it in such a way where they never dig themselves out. I’m going to make sure that anyone anywhere on earth will see them and treat them with scorn. They are criminals, and they deserve to be treated as criminals.

Some people seem to think that I had to come out there when I was exposed and do what the media demanded of me. What you’re going to learn is that you don’t make demands of someone you want something from. You ask politely. You don’t need to like me. But Bitcoin and blockchain are my system. They act within the law, and are bound by it. You’re going to discover that decentralised only works for a blockchain system as a concept where it acts within the law. You’re going to discover that anonymous systems cannot act within Bitcoin. You’re going to discover that Bitcoin allows free speech but not hate crime. You are going to discover that Bitcoin doesn’t allow trolls to continue to operate with impunity. You’re going to discover that people who aid in hacking and compromising systems and people like Greg Maxwell are the opposite of what Bitcoin creates, and you’re going to discover that such people who run the sock puppets and manipulate social media and lie and seek to create systems that undermine law are the antithesis of what Bitcoin was designed to be.

You get your day in court. You get to make claims about how I lied. Then, I get to show how you were spreading false information and that nothing you’re bringing up is true.

After doing so, you apologise. Such is how truth works. Such is how the legal system works. Fools such as Mr McCormick who think that they have something on me get to learn that they don’t. They get to learn that there is a cost of calling people out using false information and that when you defame people and when you enact a slander and a libel, you get to pay and face the consequences. The reason we extended Mr McCormick’s time to respond is that I want him in court. We can force him using default orders right now, but I don’t want that. I want him to stand in court and put up with his lies, and then I’m going to tear every one of them apart and show every falsehood that he is basing his claims upon to the world. And when I’m done, I’m going to go through each and every other scammer in the space. I’m going to find every cowboy with a hat and no swagger and get him to understand what Bitcoin is really about.

Yes, I am Satoshi Nakamoto. It was my pseudonym when I created Bitcoin. I was not a group, I did it myself, but I had help from other people. Everyone has help from other people. When I asked people to give me advice, they did not become part of the authorship. When I asked people to talk to me about my project, they did not become the project. Those who helped code in 2009 and 2010 were valuable and I needed them, but they are not Satoshi Nakamoto ; I am, and if you don’t like it, I don’t care.

If you wish upon a star, and you trust in yourself and you believe in dreams of a connected society, and you believe that decentralisation will set you free, and you think you don’t need to go to university to study, and you don’t work hard and study long hours, when you are going to get beaten by people like me who work, who study, who sacrifice and learn, then you are only going to find that the world allows you to seek happiness, but it doesn’t promise it.
Trust-less and Permission-less

Bitcoin is trust-less only as far as you follow the rules and stay without changing the protocol. Bitcoin acts without permission as long as you stay within the rules and don’t change the protocol. There is nothing stopping you from creating a new script. As long as you work within the existing system and the rules, it’s allowable. Bitcoin is trust-less as long as you act within the rules.

If you act within the rules and Bitcoin, you can do so without trust. As soon as you change the rules, you enter into a realm where you need law and trust. Bitcoin only works within the common law prescriptions that I designed it to work within.

ICOs and associated scams are not how Bitcoin works. Such are systems just like e-gold and ones promoted by Liberty Reserve. They are the realm of frauds and scammers. People will tell you that it’s democratising finance as they are doing so to take your money without facing rules. They want to defraud you. There has not been a single valuable ICO in the history of Bitcoin. There will not be a single valuable ICO in the history of Bitcoin. Organisations like registered regulated exchanges will find that Bitcoin creates a platform that enables savings and that it speeds up operations and reduces losses. Bitcoin does not replace them. Bitcoin does not remove trust from systems such as ICOs. Only conmen and fools say otherwise.

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legendary
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Clean Code and Scale
May 30, 2019, 03:09:34 PM
#55
The only anonymous payment option available in 2008 was cash, no cash payment option exits for domain registration.
Are you claiming no-one paid for the Bitcoin.org domain in 2008 or that court can not establish who made the payment?

Most likely any court can establish who made a payment.
Probably someone made a payment for it then (I haven't seen any proof, but let's say it's true).

Pretty certain it was not Craig tbh.
Even if the evidence - backed by a court - points that it was Craig, then most likely the court was conned, which makes another reason Craig will go to jail on multiple counts.

He is digging his own grave (out of greed & stupidity) if you catch my drift.

Doesn't matter


We all are certain that you just a poor anon troll here. Wanna destroy things u have no influence in.

Lol
hero member
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Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis
May 30, 2019, 02:13:00 PM
#54
The only anonymous payment option available in 2008 was cash, no cash payment option exits for domain registration.
Are you claiming no-one paid for the Bitcoin.org domain in 2008 or that court can not establish who made the payment?

Most likely any court can establish who made a payment.
Probably someone made a payment for it then (I haven't seen any proof, but let's say it's true).

Pretty certain it was not Craig tbh.
Even if the evidence - backed by a court - points that it was Craig, then most likely the court was conned, which makes another reason Craig will go to jail on multiple counts.

He is digging his own grave (out of greed & stupidity) if you catch my drift.
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Bitcoin © Maximalist
May 30, 2019, 01:23:41 PM
#53
The issue is, most stop see at the surface.

BSV is real Bitcoin
where can you say bitcoin SV is real bitcoin? You may have been exposed to the doctrine stated by Craig Wright, he is not satoshi nakamoto.

The Fact is someone paid for the Bitcoin.org domain in 2008 and Australian Tax records exist for it.
Anyone of the opinion that courts can not establish who paid for domain registration is delusional.
In 2008 limited option for domain registration existed, anonymous cash is not an option.


1. Show me da records. Else GTFO.
2. Even so it means shit. Look at FB.
3. Anonymous cash. Heard of Grin?

The only anonymous payment option available in 2008 was cash, no cash payment option exits for domain registration.
Are you claiming no-one paid for the Bitcoin.org domain in 2008 or that court can not establish who made the payment?
legendary
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May 30, 2019, 12:32:13 PM
#52
The Fact is someone paid for the Bitcoin.org domain in 2008 and Australian Tax records exist for it.

Someone paid for the domain. What makes you think the Australian Tax Office has any legitimate record of it? Just because Wright says so? Why do you believe everything that guy says? If the ATO had a record of it, why did he fabricate the screenshot of the domain purchase?

It's like a cult. How does he get people to believe his empty lies and prophecies without proof? It's always "The truth will be revealed at a later time. Just believe me!" And somehow you guys eat it up by the spoonful. If Wright were this age in the 70s, I'm sure he would have been a cult leader.
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