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Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

It's a seriously dumb hypothetical because the simple odds describe that you have less than at 3% chance of winning such a bet. Unless you are seriously rich already, in which case you are just in the game for frivolous fun and don't care what happens, then you are unlikely to be wasting such sums without good reason. Nobody can predict what will happen next, it's like trying to pick the color of the next car to come around the corner. If you are so intent on throwing away your money on such a bet, then you should have the courage to pick it yourself and not "blame" it on somebody else when it inevitably does not come through. Only someone who didn't understand basic odds would think in such a silly way.

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Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

we all should understand that everything happens for a reason, nothing happens by chance..
A thing like this have a very very slim understand of happening but if it did happen to me, at first, I did be furious, angry at my friend and full of regret, but I will try to look at the situation from the other angle, just as it was possible to win $350k with a bet of $10k, it is also possible that i could have lost the $10k too but this friend helped to save it for me.

I wouldn't kill him, or stop being friends with him, I believe he was only trying to look out for me, $10k is a lot of money to loose and sometimes, we don't get to know what we are about to loose until that thing is gone, so personally for me, I would just get over it and move on, there will always be another opportunity.

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Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

Good knee-slapper scene, would be particularly nasty if it happens in real life. I know that friend of his did the switch with good intentions but I am always going to be in agency of whatever bet I place my money on. The situation could've gotten worse in real life where the friend's actions could've lead to a loss. This is why you never, ever influence or coax a friend into doing "what is right" in the middle of a sticky situation like this. It will almost only lead to you calling it quits or something even worse.

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Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

It would be more interesting to see what you would do if your friend does that move and YOUR 10,000 USD win 350,000 USD thanks to him. In fact, he would have saved you from losing 10,000 USD. What would you do?

@NeuroticFish I did indeed have such a situation, but it was only for 50 bucks with my brother in Las Vegas on a color. I paid him 100, but those 100 were worth his mental breakdown for that moment and we were making fun and were drunk. I assume the Croupier didn't care because it was just some minor amount.

Edit: I suppose if it ended up in a win against the casino's bank the groupier might have invalidated that round for us (and especially for the amount OP mentioned).

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on November 07, 2022, 02:51:26 PM

I will also definitely punch him in the face until he bleeds because he's been blocking me from winning so much money. But his intentions were good not to let me use so much money to try my luck. Well, it's nice to see so many comrades trying to look after me and maybe I shouldn't be mad at him. I've also got to win some money to celebrate with my friends, even though it's a glass of beer Grin

Maybe it also happens in real life and some people have experienced it. They are very lucky to have friends who are very caring and try to constantly remind them not to place bets and with too much money.

You cant really say or make out conclusions on what you should gonna do on the time of that kind of intervention which it can ha potentially make you 350k dollars which is something that amount you cant

able to earn on your lifetime which it cant really be that avoided for you not to punch him on the face for such intervention which its none of his business on how you would make a bet.

Yes, its good to know and gives a good feeling that someone do really cares for you on having that safer bet.But the main question is, on that how you
you would consider a safe bet?

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I will also definitely punch him in the face until he bleeds because he's been blocking me from winning so much money. But his intentions were good not to let me use so much money to try my luck. Well, it's nice to see so many comrades trying to look after me and maybe I shouldn't be mad at him. I've also got to win some money to celebrate with my friends, even though it's a glass of beer Grin

Maybe it also happens in real life and some people have experienced it. They are very lucky to have friends who are very caring and try to constantly remind them not to place bets and with too much money.

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Hahaha!

I would feel mad over my friend, just like the actor in the movie. But that is not something that is going to happen for real. Let's say you placed a bet on a casino and your friend attempted to remove or change it. The croupier wouldn't allow him to do this, because he would be interfering in someone's else bets, what isn't allowed. Moreover, we would notice if someone touched our tokens in a casino table. Anyway, the scene was nicely built and was really funny. It's interesting to imagine absurd situations like that happening in reality.

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I think that wouldn't be allowed as far as I know. I mean the reality is that you wouldn't be allowed to touch it when it's still going on, it's too late to retract the bet, also it would be not allowed to let someone else other than the person who wagered to touch it either. It just doesn't feel like something that would be real, it's just a movie scene. If you wager, you wager, and end of the story.

However, if any of my friends try to persuade me away from gambling then I will always thank them, gambling is a risky business and anyone who tries to stop someone else from gambling their money away is doing something good in their heart, with the good result or bad result doesn't matter the intention was good and that's what matters.

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Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

Well as frustrating as it sounds, thats not losing $350 000 USD. Thats missing out on the opportunity on winning 350k. Which is nowhere as bad as losing 350k, if you were to ask me. Also as much as I enjoy Kevin Harts comedy, I would not quote him on his realism. Obviously this is a very unrealistic scenario because as some posters have already mentioned, nobody can take your chips. They do not allow that. And the bet was already locked in as soon as the wheel started spinning (although it may have been locked in earlier but I am not familiar with the technicalities).

Obviously they make movie gambling unrealistic to make it seem more attractive and/or exciting to the viewer. Roll Eyes

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Assuming that thing happened, I will be disappointed, maybe I'll just shrug my shoulder and let it go. It is not worth harming a friend because of an intentional mistake. Besides just think of the case if that move of our friend gives us a win. So I decided to let it go and learn my lesson from that incident ... "never bring a friend when you are gambling". LOL.

Anyway, I think a friend won't dare to touch our bet in real life. If ever, they have any other idea, they will suggest it and it is up to us whether to accept it or not.

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Quote from: crwth on November 07, 2022, 11:38:32 AM

It just so happens that he won, and he is furious about it, but if it is the other way around, it will probably be thanking the friend for what he did.

If it didn't happen that he won this can go as far as causing some problem for the both pals when the bettor will think the friend should think he would be crazy betting with that huge amount and couldn't change the bet. He may say he was high while doing the betting that he should know. What I'm saying is just that he is angry because it happen to be a win but losing he could have realized what help got from the friend.

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coming up with a number like the age where he lose my virginity at 15 is something worth doing, i guess nothing is wrong in trying it on roulette or dice. Cheesy

i kept replaying it and no matter how serious should i be on what to do, is just not working. i'd just do what kevin did, just hysterical about $350.000.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 07, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

1. This is not losing 350k, it's.. not winning 350k.
2. This cannot happen because afaik nobody is allowed to touch your chips, even if that one is with you/your friend. An I wrong?

Let's not confuse movies with reality.

OP knows this is unlikely to happen in the real world, you can see here where he says it:

Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

I know this is likely not to happen in real life.

Well, assuming that happened, I would be very angry with my friend and I would also start to be suspicious of him if he didn't do it on purpose to harm me or if he did it as an accident and if I took him to the casino again I would definitely tell him for him to go play at another casino table and I would be at my casino table, that way I would prevent the same thing from happening again.

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Quote from: Jemzx00 on November 07, 2022, 10:41:50 AM

This kind of scene is unlikely to happen like someone going all in on just one number. Also, if this happened in real life, I think he (Kevin Hart) will still win the $350,000 as he is not the one who moved those chips or bet and why would the betting be closed after the spin, wouldn't it have been closed when the wheel is already spinning?

In this case, Kevin Hart initiate that he is done betting after placing all his chips on black 15 that is why the dealer spin the roulette already since he is the only one playing but since the dealer sense that there is a conflict on the bettor side. He later on announced the no more bet line to avoid further changing of bets and to proceed on the game. The chips place on the table is the legitimate bet even though the original didn't move it and also the one who moves it is his companion and not a stranger.

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Usually, when this type of thing happens, you would go with the side of the friend because you wouldn’t want to see them lose a lot or probably a precise amount. I’m just betting because you can do a lot with that kind of money that he bet. It’s Heartbreaking if you see him lose in that bet. It just so happens that he won, and he is furious about it, but if it is the other way around, it will probably be thanking the friend for what he did.

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Quote from: jackg on November 07, 2022, 11:26:30 AM

Isn't that the point? What are you going to do? Prosecute them, leave them to get thrown out and stay on, or just what most would do and do nothing?

I don't have to do anything. Maybe tell the manager to look at the recording.
The dealer should have been not letting anyone touch the chips, so it's all on him.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on November 07, 2022, 10:45:42 AM

It is gambling, it can happen real life, but the chance that it would happen is very slim. But we should always advice that betting big comes with big risks.

Highly unlikely that this can happen in real life, no one are allowed to move their bets when it has already been placed whether it's the bettor or his friend. The bet can happen if that how rich you are and you just casually bet $10,000 on a single number however in this case, he is not. Also, no one can bet anymore once the wheel is already spinning not when it's about to stop.

If this scenario happens on real life, his friend will be kicked out from the casino or probably the whole bet he made will be forfeited.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 07, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

2. This cannot happen because afaik nobody is allowed to touch your chips, even if that one is with you/your friend. An I wrong?

You're absolutely correct.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 07, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

2. This cannot happen because afaik nobody is allowed to touch your chips,

Isn't that the point? What are you going to do? Prosecute them, leave them to get thrown out and stay on, or just what most would do and do nothing?

If it's a shared pool of funds he was probably right to move them onto a less risky bet though.

I think there's a certain amount of spins the ball can do before you have to leave your chips where they are too (set specific to each table and there's probably a few that might not allow you to change at all once the ball starts rolling - that table seemed quite fast).

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Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

What would you do?

I choose friends and I accept the fact, at the same time I choose a safe round of roulette, maybe that's better for me, than taking a high risk $350,000, maybe i don't do anything but accept that's my sustenance for today in roulette betting.

Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

But let's say it did

What if the opposite 'does not' happen, illusion in gambling is one of the factors of losing, high risk gambling, today you get $ 10k that's the limit of your ability, $ 350,000 could boomerang for you, for that accept the victory, will not blame each other, your friend had hockey that day, not you.

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I would be mad and probably depressed for one month and I would not talk to that friend for a while, until I feel better. However, it is unlikely this would ever happen in real life.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 07, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

Quote from: cabron on November 07, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

-snip-

1. This is not losing 350k, it's.. not winning 350k.
2. This cannot happen because afaik nobody is allowed to touch your chips, even if that one is with you/your friend. An I wrong?

Let's not confuse movies with reality.

While you are right and it is not about losing money but rather "not winning", that would not stop people to get mad or depressed at the fact of the missed opportunity.
It is similar to the situation of those who sold their Bitcoins when they were worth 1000$ and regretted doing it later, because they could have been gotten set for life instead.

By the way, I just searched about roulette etiquette on internet and you are right, no one should touch other's chips, also people is supposed to avoid putting drinks over the felt, etc.

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