Topic: LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system - page 11. (Read 13679 times)

You beat me to it, it's actually included in the OP:

You mean through DT? Just add ;dt at the end of the url.

Is there a way to check my profile trust as  if I never used the trust list?

This guide is absolutely amazing.   Hopefully forum members both old and new adhere to it.   Things have been very civil lately and it seems like drama has been kept to a minimum.  Merit left.

This is truly an excellent guide to the use of the Trust system, and for the first time in years I've *almost* understood how it works.
LoyceV has well done a much needed job.
But I can't but agree with what others have pointed out, that the Trust system of the forum is in itself too complicated to be widely adopted - which is leading to a quite unsolvable problem: to really work well, the Trust system should be widely used by most of the community, but it being so complicated this will likely never happen, unless a way is found to make it a bit simpler.
I'll make some attempts to start to use it.

Italian Translation:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52756616

I inserted the translation as a post on the existing Trust related thread on the Italian Board.
Thread moderator is going to edit all the relevant information on the OP.

Trust FeedBack and Trust List Guide in Image. I hope with this image, member more easy to understand.

As already mentioned:

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To determine the trustworthiness of an user I'm always recommending to mention the risked amount of money directly in the trust comments (can be in USD or in BTC). While I use the reference link more as a "proof" that my feedback is valid and the deal happened, I prefer to write the risked amount also directly in the comments. That way it's very easy for potential trading partners to have a quick look on how much money the user risked for his deals.
I often come across vague descriptions where I have to search quite long on how much money was on risk and displaying that directly in the comments would help a lot to save time and still get an accurate impression of the user.

But sometimes it's a difficult question at which point the risked amount of money is "substantial", so I recommend to be a little bit more liberal here and give positive trust. Then it's important to mention the risked amount to avoid many confusions and indicate it. People should be aware that more than the risked amount of previous trades with that user might put them on risk getting scammed, so I consider that part as very important. (of course, an user can also scam you when less money is involved than in previous trades).

Before the last trust update, there was a box for "risked amount of BTC" and I'm still hoping that'll come back.


And maybe you can add a link below that part (about positive / neutral / negative feedback) to the community list collected by xtraelv, when negative trust is appropriate and when it's not:
Discussion about acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Community values. DT.

I will make the Filipino translation of it, I will post the link later

edit: Here is the link of the translation
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52737619

@masulum @Lafu @madnessteat @Vispilio @TryNinja:
Thank you for translating, 5 translations within a day means a lot!

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People are already using Trust incorrectly, which is why I made this guide. The Trust system isn't perfect, but the functionality it offers can be very useful when used in the right way. One of the reasons it's so "complicated", is because theymos wants it to be decentralized. The Trust system was much simpler when theymos hand-picked all DT1-members. That system wasn't perfect either, which is why theymos changed it. In the old system, most users didn't need to understand things because they'd never reach DT1 or DT2. Now, many more people get a vote.
Most of what I wrote down is kinda trivial anyway, but different people (especially with a worldwide mixture of different cultures) have different interpretations.

If someone uses Trust incorrectly, posting a link to this topic is much easier than explaining all the details. And that's the reason I created this topic.

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I think we mean the same thing. I didn't say to give positive trust when someone is a nice guy, I said you can leave positive feedback if you believe he can be Trusted.
Example:
I left this positive feedback to micgoossens, even though I never traded with him:
I believe those two examples use the correct Type of feedback.

To take away all confusion, I've added this:

Agreed!

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Good suggestion, I've added it to my TODO.

Portuguese translation: [Guia] Como utilizar o sistema de Trust (confiança) do fórum corretamente

Good job, Loyce.

Maybe you can add about "Trusted" and "Untrusted feedback". I think this is good to know how if Non-DT give Trust Feedback for a member, I appreciate  Abhiseshakana who gives additional info about Trusted and Untrusted feedback at Indonesian version (jump to post.)

Hello LoyceV.

I was careful reading your guide, as I am translating it.

Take a look here:


I know this is like a common practice here in bitcointalk, I know you are not inventing this. But I disagree with those points. Aren't they contradictory?

If you think someone is "cool", so yeah, give him a nice feedback, so everyone think he is trusted and he has a green +1 on his account. If you think someone is a troll, don't paint him red.

Shouldn't both situations have the same approuch?

IMO, both feedbacks, in those cases, should be NEUTRAL.

"Nice guy" or "I hate this troll", as neutral.
There are so many "nice guy" feedbacks with positives trusts here, as there are many "troller' with red feedbacks

Turkish translation is ready LoyceV, you can find it here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yeni-balayanlar-cin-trust-sistemi-kullanm-klavuzu-5192175

I "trust" it's going to clarify a lot of things for the local forums, if it can get sufficient visibility & attention in the beginners section...

@LoyceV

Here is the Translation into German !

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192157.new#new

I have done the thread also in the Beginners section there and i guess or hope that it will helps a few new and also long time Members and Users to understand it !

Great guide by the way  

Agreed this needs to be at least pinned (including the local boards), so users have a chance to brush up on all the minute details as they get more involved with the forum dynamics,

I'll do the Turkish translation and post the link here.

Not the guide, the system is ridiculously complicated. The guide is great tho we shouldn't need it. It's great that you have the time and the patience, but probably less than 1 out of 1000 users will ever see this guide and even fewer will read it and a tiny fraction will understand or follow it.

Unless this thread is pinned, it will be forgotten in a week and even if it's pinned it's going to be just for one board's visitors. It needs to be added to the sites main menu, along with flag, merit, forum rules guides, whatever else is there that users are supposed to know. Even then it's mostly scammers and spammers gonna use it to their advantage. Regular users who come here to talk about crypto don't have interest for this royal court theatre.

It is not ridiculous at all, good guides are thorough and this is definitely a good one! And because it can be confusing for someone that is  relatively new like myself that is still trying to figure out all ins&outs of this forum, this kind of guide is needed, with each step explained.

This is beyond ridiculous. If you need a guide this long to describe something as basic as trust feedback you know that most people are not going to use it, worse yet, probably use it incorrectly and spoil it for everyone. And this doesn't even include flags.

Good job describing it tho.

Reserved

TODO: