Topic: [LTCD] LitecoinDark.com ★ Scrypt ★ Difficulty Shield ★ Multipool ★ Fast - page 3. (Read 368577 times)

Ignore me all you like, this isn't a popularity contest. 

You know exactly what I meant above, now you are choosing to deliberately pretend you don't.   

Simple Explain Like You're Five version:   Whitepapers are marketing gags, that is their role in the altcoin world.  LiteCoinDark is no different. 

You still haven't got yourself straight and you have no facts. You only make false statements and post propaganda. I will not continue to give you a soapbox.

You are now on my ignore list. PM me when you have something of genuine substance, then I will un-ignore you.

I suggest and invite everyone else to ignore @mikeymillie and do not make any replies to her. She will dry up and blow away eventually.

Ms. MikeyMillie - Are you part of this P&D team?
https://twitter.com/kennystoppe/status/536614051171028993
https://twitter.com/kennystoppe/status/536270154083340288
https://twitter.com/kennystoppe/status/535808998021554176


You are probably very cute when you are angry, like now. Can I buy you a drink? Do you kiss on the first date?

I don't care how you were compensated, the point of that comment was that you were not the original dev, but someone brought on to help after the fact because the original "dev" found out that there's a lot more to making a new coin than forking some other shitcoin and changing a logo.

I frankly have no idea if you are competent or not at this point, but as you seem to be neutral and possibly also wise enough to back out of this circus I don't have any beef with you at all. 

I will clarify one point that you misunderstood, understandably since you have your FUD glasses on when reading my post and cannot see anything that doesn't look like FUD to you.

The whitepaper marketing scam is not referring to the supposed whitepaper coming out for *this* coin.  It refers to the overall altcoin gimmick of writing up a "whitepaper"  that 2 or 3 people will read,  everyone else will say they read,  and if examined by a serious reviewer, would fall apart halfway through anyway. 

They are a special kind of marketing gimmick for people who like to tell themselves they are not investing in a straight up casino game, but something that has "a whitepaper" and therefore is legit. 

This is not at all unique to LiteCoinDark, but it's all the more comical when applied to it. 

Your recent contributions have been empty, useless, and irrelevant.

Get yourself straight, or you will be ignored.

So many things to address here.  As I cannot speak for anyone other than myself, I will only address questions that I can answer objectively.

(Also note, I realize I am quoting a post made by the new lead developer, but I am primarily addressing the same questions he addressed and only where it will add to the discussion.)


We're not talking about some short 5-10 page document.  We're talking about a 50+ page technical specification.  I have no objections to making it available, but it will go through official channels and I will not release it directly to the public.  That responsibility will lie in the hands of the new development team who will have the final say-so regarding its validity and weight.


Yes, my work is significantly different from anything appearing in the currently available source tree, and until the new dev team has a chance to look over the Gen 2 whitepaper, the extents of these differences aren't known by anyone other than myself.  This would make it extremely difficult for someone else to implement.  This is the main reason I am still volunteering access to the gen 2 paper.


Indeed, I am willing to assist as much as my time will allow, even if only on a consulting basis.  That said, my time is increasingly short as of late.


To the contrary, I feel no offense at the issue whatsoever.  My reasons for leaving the team were not due to issues with other members.  As stated in this thread, I have had personal issues as well as time constraints with my day job(s) that have required me to focus my attention elsewhere.


I would not be opposed to this, however, I do have a lot of things in my day-to-day life which are the priority at the moment, and I do not feel that it is in the best interests of the LTCD community to needlessly wait for updates while I get my affairs in order.  In the meantime, I feel that LTCD's codebase and community are in more than capable hands with the new team.



This question seems to me that someone never understood (no matter how many times I reiterated) that I was never in this for money.  I was in it to advance the tech.  I don't see why I alone should be the benefactor.  Redesigning the architecture is still one of my goals, but my priorities lie elsewhere at the moment, and I feel this team is, again, more than capable of implementing my architecture given access to the proper documentation.


This statement is a bit of an inaccuracy.  I was never "hired help".  I was always a volunteer.  I was never paid for my work and never asked for compensation of any kind  (aside from the original bounty for a linux wallet which was never received.)  If you go back and re-read the first few pages of this thread, you can see the story of how I joined unfold for yourself.



The new team has this well in hand.  I have their contact information and will make contact as soon as I have something to give them.  I cannot be rushed in the matter, but I have not given up on LTCD, the 2.0 architecture, or the community in general.  And I certainly have faith in the new dev team to have both the skills needed as well as the time required to make advancement a reality.

@bassieflup

You might want to edit your post, so people don't get confused.

Put quote marks around the first paragraph of your reply.

Like this:

Like vic said to whatshername - "To be honest: Most of your post is crap, in my opinion. It seems you have fabricated your own significance on everything in a manner that facilitates your bad-mouthing which seriously looks like FUD. If this is incorrect on my part, I suggest you do a better job composing your words in the future. You make insults, putdowns, have what appears to be a juvenile level of intellect applied to your own thoughts, and you employ general misdirection technique. Fix it or move along elsewhere. If you fix it, I will consider your opinions to be more valid and relevant."

no going to requote vicvelcro's huge 100% content-free wall of excuses, "yeah buts" and reiterations. Vic, you put an admirable amount of effort into saying nothing. Enjoy the brownie points that got you with the rest of the HODLers, they will fade fast.  

Go ahead and get all the hopeful bagholders to come to your side, I know this will end with me being called a troll, fudster,  etc.  See also:  every single other shitcoin board when the emperor is shown to have no clothes.  It won't help your price.  

Only progress - not gaseous talk about maybe progress -  but actual progress, will help.    And nobody involved with this coin has the chops to accomplish that. Anyone who does is already busy working on non-joke coins with actual futures.

Will the 2nd gen whitepaper be released so we know what we would have been waiting for since the beginning? Seriously i want to know.

When it is available to me, I will look it over. If Troll has no objection and if I find no faults with it, I will make it available.

A good start would be to make the nonsense name of this coin mean what it says.  The "Dark"  doesn't have anything to do with stealth or anon, the coin does not have these features at all. Is that supposed to be a joke?  This coin is the posterboy for what's wrong with the alt market.  Cheap talk everywhere, 5 or 6 dev who know what they are doing whose efforts are tarnished by 1000 wannabes who just finished high school computer class and learned how to download from Git and compile and want a quick buck.

To be honest: Most of your post is crap, in my opinion. It seems you have fabricated your own significance on everything in a manner that facilitates your bad-mouthing which seriously looks like FUD. If this is incorrect on my part, I suggest you do a better job composing your words in the future. You make insults, putdowns, have what appears to be a juvenile level of intellect applied to your own thoughts, and you employ general misdirection technique. Fix it or move along elsewhere. If you fix it, I will consider your opinions to be more valid and relevant.

since we're talking about devs, i am still wondering something and want to clear this up for myself.
was Troll the only dev developping the coins code or is litecoindark dev also coding?
It felt that only Troll was coding but I could be wrong ofcourse.

My understanding of DEV is that it refers to the person(s) who make decisions about the overall development. DEV does not need to be a coder. The coder would be the person(s) who write the actual code (pretty obvious). The coder is not necessarily a DEV and a DEV does not necessarily have to be a coder.
My understanding is that the original code was provided by LitecoinDark and that the majority (if not the entirety) of subsequent code was provided by TrollByFire.
I could be mistaken.

I'm not for sure but think Litecoindark dev started the core and Trollbyfire was rewriting codes for the 2.0. Someone else may know more about this.

My understanding indicates that you are correct.

I'm just wondering why he can't implement/improve/continue Trolls work, why do they need another dev to implement stuff, for example the stealth/POS/anon msg'ing and now prolly the 2.0 stuff.
Unless i'm completly overlooking something?

Trolls work may be significantly different than what was originally done. The need for another DEV is due to the resignation of the previous team. Without them, there is nobody to make decisions or do anything at all. The new team is necessary for the continuance of the project.

Last I heard was that we had a Dev that was trying to, but wasn't familiar with the 2.0, Think that when Trollbyfire announ that he was willing to help and clean up code and help new dev with 2.0. Just going by what I saw on the forum. Vic maybe able to answer question better, but I think he was up late working on the project. He's been real good about answering question, sure he be in soon.

It does seem that the work done by Troll was so much different that the previous coder was out of his element to some extent. There was a post in which Troll did mention possibly being willing to consult and/or assist. I do not have the post in front of me, so I may not be perfectly accurate at this time.

This coin is a scammy, noob-bait name, that is all.  It's got nothing to do with either LiteCoin nor Dark.  Sounds like something a stoner made up to make himself have a giggle fit.  Whooooa dude, what if there was "LiteCoin"  but it was.. like  "Dark" too.  Mystical!  whoaaa  

Mmmmmm K...

There wasn't and still isn't a designated lead dev who is an actual coder, the "dev"  who started it cannot code past a high school level and needs others to finish the job for him/her.

How do you reach that conclusion? Prove it. Do you even know WHO it is you think you are talking about? I get the impression you are confusing your own self.

All you see going on is pumps from people trying to get out of their coins with as minimal loss as possible

Nope. It is an outside group. Confirmed it myself.

trying to entice bots and suckers who don't bother to read the forums to see that there is no "there" there.

People with similar motive to yours - posting FUD here for their/your own ulterior motives.

If people want to see it hit 1000 sats, let alone 3000,  then someone who has a lot of stake in this coin (1m +) and the most to gain / lose, needs to approach coders on other projects who know what they are doing.

Maybe true, maybe not. But that does look like a point of view that would only serve the wants of a P&D group or somebody who wants to sabotage the coin from the inside.

Screw the whitepaper marketing scam, everyone knows that is all that is now.

You know this how? Post the whitepaper that you have, which nobody else seems to have. Otherwise, you are talking sideways out of your ass. Prove that you possess anything with which to base your drivel upon.

But I am wasting my keyboard's lifetime here.

And 30 seconds of your life you will never get back.

yes i saw that too, thats why i started thinking why can't litecoindarkdev work on this instead of the new dev (whoever that is).

Personal choice. If he wanted to do so, he would have. Whatever the reason, the reason is his.

In Troll case, I understand why he wanted him aboard because he obviously has skills, but it can't have been the plan from the beginning to hire ppl for every change to the coin?
Or do I have an incorrect view on what a dev is.

Could be a lack of time, and wanted more hands on the job. Could be he reached the limit of his ability. I can think of other valid reasons. Pure speculation on my part, though.

Its like starting a compagny right?
Selling your work, and then hire more people along the way to help as the compagny expands and cannot be handled anymore by one single person due to too much work having to be done.
In this case its like outsourcing all the work that has to be done.

That is the most reasonable and plausible perception, in my estimation.

If Troll had a problem working with Robbert developing 2.0 then why can't he re-join the new dev team since they have replaced him?

You would need to ask Troll. I suggest a PM and not a public call-out. He might be offended if he felt confronted.

Vic Velcro is far more responsive as is bad bit operated boy. Couldn't Troll try with them instead?

We are trying to be as available and aware as possible. Troll would be welcome to contact me if and when he feels the desire to do so.

And if 2.0 is so ground-breaking, why would he just pass his unique idea onto someone else take over?

Maybe he's a nice guy. Maybe he wouldn't pass it on. Only he can say.

Once upon a time I thought there was something happening with this community, and I didn't realize TrollByFire was hired help

That was your own error. Don't pass the responsibility for your own lack of intellectual ability on to somebody else.

thought he was the main dev from the beginning.

Same as above.

Later on I figured out the story and now the non-progress completely makes sense.

There you go, then. You have taken a step forward. Uh, disregard. You've taken a step further backward.

I'm long out of this coin,  just here as a cautionary tale.

On behalf of the community, thank you for your concern. But I'm pretty sure we're all fine. It is so nice to see you leave. Bon Chance. Good bye. Good riddance. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. kthanksbye.

You guys are panicking, I'm sure Vic be in later to answer your question, or you can PM him. Trollbyfire knows where people too, and I don't think he was here to scam anyone, he just didn't have time to do it all on his own. Atleast there will be new devs and trollbyfire will be there to help out, he just can't be fulltime.


You were right. Here I am. My PM box is available to anyone and everyone. Troll was short on time, he said so on at least a few occassions in posts he made to the forum.

Any news on 2.0 in a official matter?
And how will we get back on track? (Get more community members, get investors and other good stuff)

No news to announce today. But there will be news soon. I have 2.0 at the front of my mind and consider it to be a priority.
Plans for how to get back on track are currently being scribbled on a white-board and are in progress of being sorted. Too soon to post specifics, but there will be no delay when it *IS* time to post.

@rastuss expressed a well thought point of view. @jahl makes a good rebuttal. It looks to me that both are mutually CORRECT.

Please everyone continue to discuss. Just keep it civilized.

My suggestion is to put more effort into looking forward and less effort into looking backward. Nitpicking what cannot be changed is useless at best and FUD from P&D shills at worst.

I am still reviewing the recent previous posts.

tbh I honestly think the intention of the coin was scam in the first place. The original dev "litecoindark" cant code anything.. There was early success that made him decide to milk it more long term imo. If it werent for trollbyfire ltcd would have been dead long ago imo... I have no idea he left until recently, but I wish I would have known he was leaving...

At this point Im just gonna hold the 15k  coins I have and hope the new devs are genuine and can turn it around.

@ xircom: You were mining early on if I remember correctly.. I have a feeling there is some exaggerating going on (dont think you are negative), but at this point what does it matter. As far as you keeping your 500k... You cant really act like you are doing charity with the price where it is... Im holding also, but its not because I support anyone. . .

I think its better if ppl discuss concerns here, where devs can follow along and respond before they escalate.

Why can't people just let the new team crack on?

What this coin was, and the previous guys who were involved are now pretty much irrelevant to it's success or increase in price. The only thing that's going to make a difference now is new developments to the coin delivered in a professional constructive manner. The new team obviously know this, so just let them get on with it, and place a bit of trust in them.
Snippets of this or rumours of that are damaging at best, and only official announcements should carry any weight.

Those here to dis what's going on now are plainly pissed at having sold & lost a stack of cash on this in its previous life or just generally negative gits, both of which this coin doesn't need anymore.

Vic - I don't know you from Adam, but crack on lad, I'm an investor and I have genuine faith in the new squad.

Nuff said.

No panic here, I just want to get to the root of things and form a workable plan. This coin has more momentum than most new alts and can still do well.

When Vic wakes up we'll have more directional pointers.

I was just saying what I thou, Vic in now, I was just trying to answer question as best as I can. Good Morning Vic, I turn it over to you, lol. Later guys...

I never claimed that Troll has scammed anyone, let this be clear 

Good morning, im about to head to bed..

Have fun working today

Any news on 2.0 in a official matter?
And how will we get back on track? (Get more community members, get investors and other good stuff)

Talk to ya tomorrow, ill be reading this when I wake up

I was awake for 38 hours in one long stretch. I had a good several hours of sleep. Now I am awake but still drinking my first cup of coffee.

I see that there have been plenty of posts. Some relevant questions have been asked and some boldly stated discontent expressed.

Give me an hour or so to get myself awake and alert.

So in other words you sold out of the coin and now your trying to buy back cheap.

If you read back Trollbyfire said he didn't have time to do a big project and he will be here to help other devs. Last I heard Trollbyfire invest in buying coins too. The fall out between the Devs, I don't know. Something they will have to work out. Maybe someday it will come out. But not our business. You guys are panicking, I'm sure Vic be in later to answer your question, or you can PM him. Trollbyfire knows where people too, and I don't think he was here to scam anyone, he just didn't have time to do it all on his own. Atleast there will be new devs and trollbyfire will be there to help out, he just can't be fulltime.