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November 24, 2021, 08:35:47 AM
I read some articles that DeRozan is already ranked at number 3.

The ranking was

1. Curry,
2. Durant
3. DeRozan

What do you think about this, is it reliable based on the stats of DeRozan and the impact on the team?
I like to get your thoughts on this as I would try to put a bet on DeRozan to win.
You happen to bookmarked the article? I think there are explanations regarding how the writer manage to rank him in the third. I wonder how DeRozan ended on that mark though since I can't see his name from this stats on https://www.nba.com/stats/players/. I guess if it's on the impact of the game to his team, I partly agree on that. What do you mean to win? MVP race? I think there are still plenty of time for him to show it off.

The article below dated November 19, 2021 9:21 PM, shows the following ranking.

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-stephen-curry-rises-to-top-as-others-take-flight
1. Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors
2. Kevin Durant, Brooklyn Nets
3. Nikola Jokic, Denver Nuggets
4. DeMar DeRozan, Chicago Bulls

Maybe because Jokic has been out for few games, his spot was already taken by DeRozan, and I agree with the ranking.

No doubt with DeRozans numbers, he's improving and enjoying his new team. The same old numbers way back with the Raptors.

If only LeBron is not in the East back, then this guy might win the East title, a possible contender for being an MVP.

Still, a lot of time if he will continue performing and those stars above him got an injury, the chance is really good for him to take it away from

them. After next year, for sure we will see who's really edging and have the higher chance of winning the season MVP.
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November 24, 2021, 07:37:01 AM
What do you think is the problem why the Lakers are struggling right now? The Coach maybe? or lack of chemistry or the fact that most of them are all star and they want to get the ball and just shoot Cheesy. Either way, I think that the Lakers should adjust right now or they will end up at the lower spot or worse they might not enter the playoffs.

Westbrook isn't the problem (like everyone is complaining about) having almost everyone in the team a superstar and a former one isn't also the issue. They could actually execute a good offensive plays and they can even score in every way they want. Their number one problem is, they are not actually playing some defense.
They can't even sustain a lead no matter how huge it is, because the higher the lead the more the Lakers became comfortable thus making their defense become more lazy.

If they can't figure out how they'll adjust and fix their system, theres no way they're going to the Finals let alone the conference semis.

Still finding the chemistry, I think that is no mystery that with many superstars the coach will have a hard time rotating them. I disagree though, they play good defense, AD and WB play good defense it's that they can't translate their good defense and score points.

But I do agree that the chances for the Lakers to go to the semis much more to the finals is getting less and less with that defeat against the New York Knicks.

The problem is the whole system, they traded the key players and they risk on Westbrook who can't jive well on the old players. We can't blame Westbrook as he is just playing the way he used to play, and the Lakers organization already know that before they acquired him, so that's the risk they take and they fail on this trade.
The old Laker players that are involved in the Lakers-Wizards trade are now happy with the new system. We know what the Wizards are doing right now and we already saw the improvement of Kuzma, Harrell and KCP and how they are playing on their team right now. Same with Caruso with his new team, Bulls and with Schroder with the Celtics.

Many are blaming WB for what is happening to the team right now but I think that he isn't the sole reason why they are performing like this right now. I think that its the coaching system that is the problem because he can't handle that many superstars in a team. Well, that is the risk that they need to endure right now unless they will change something.

The Lakers organization should be blamed because they let the young players go and replace them with old players that are almost past their prime. They added Melo, Howard, and DJ which are already old, they may contribute but not the contribution that would make their team wins, that's why they are still struggling until now.

The Lakers will face the Pacers tomorrow, expect another loss.
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November 24, 2021, 07:31:36 AM
What do you think is the problem why the Lakers are struggling right now? The Coach maybe? or lack of chemistry or the fact that most of them are all star and they want to get the ball and just shoot Cheesy. Either way, I think that the Lakers should adjust right now or they will end up at the lower spot or worse they might not enter the playoffs.

Westbrook isn't the problem (like everyone is complaining about) having almost everyone in the team a superstar and a former one isn't also the issue. They could actually execute a good offensive plays and they can even score in every way they want. Their number one problem is, they are not actually playing some defense.
They can't even sustain a lead no matter how huge it is, because the higher the lead the more the Lakers became comfortable thus making their defense become more lazy.

If they can't figure out how they'll adjust and fix their system, theres no way they're going to the Finals let alone the conference semis.

Still finding the chemistry, I think that is no mystery that with many superstars the coach will have a hard time rotating them. I disagree though, they play good defense, AD and WB play good defense it's that they can't translate their good defense and score points.

But I do agree that the chances for the Lakers to go to the semis much more to the finals is getting less and less with that defeat against the New York Knicks.

The problem is the whole system, they traded the key players and they risk on Westbrook who can't jive well on the old players. We can't blame Westbrook as he is just playing the way he used to play, and the Lakers organization already know that before they acquired him, so that's the risk they take and they fail on this trade.
The old Laker players that are involved in the Lakers-Wizards trade are now happy with the new system. We know what the Wizards are doing right now and we already saw the improvement of Kuzma, Harrell and KCP and how they are playing on their team right now. Same with Caruso with his new team, Bulls and with Schroder with the Celtics.

Many are blaming WB for what is happening to the team right now but I think that he isn't the sole reason why they are performing like this right now. I think that its the coaching system that is the problem because he can't handle that many superstars in a team. Well, that is the risk that they need to endure right now unless they will change something.
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November 24, 2021, 06:19:08 AM
I read some articles that DeRozan is already ranked at number 3.

The ranking was

1. Curry,
2. Durant
3. DeRozan

What do you think about this, is it reliable based on the stats of DeRozan and the impact on the team?
I like to get your thoughts on this as I would try to put a bet on DeRozan to win.
You happen to bookmarked the article? I think there are explanations regarding how the writer manage to rank him in the third. I wonder how DeRozan ended on that mark though since I can't see his name from this stats on https://www.nba.com/stats/players/. I guess if it's on the impact of the game to his team, I partly agree on that. What do you mean to win? MVP race? I think there are still plenty of time for him to show it off.

The article below dated November 19, 2021 9:21 PM, shows the following ranking.

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-stephen-curry-rises-to-top-as-others-take-flight
1. Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors
2. Kevin Durant, Brooklyn Nets
3. Nikola Jokic, Denver Nuggets
4. DeMar DeRozan, Chicago Bulls

Maybe because Jokic has been out for few games, his spot was already taken by DeRozan, and I agree with the ranking.
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November 24, 2021, 05:46:15 AM
I read some articles that DeRozan is already ranked at number 3.

The ranking was

1. Curry,
2. Durant
3. DeRozan

What do you think about this, is it reliable based on the stats of DeRozan and the impact on the team?
I like to get your thoughts on this as I would try to put a bet on DeRozan to win.
You happen to bookmarked the article? I think there are explanations regarding how the writer manage to rank him in the third. I wonder how DeRozan ended on that mark though since I can't see his name from this stats on https://www.nba.com/stats/players/. I guess if it's on the impact of the game to his team, I partly agree on that. What do you mean to win? MVP race? I think there are still plenty of time for him to show it off.
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November 24, 2021, 05:04:51 AM
I read some articles that DeRozan is already ranked at number 3.

The ranking was

1. Curry,
2. Durant
3. DeRozan

What do you think about this, is it reliable based on the stats of DeRozan and the impact on the team?
I like to get your thoughts on this as I would try to put a bet on DeRozan to win.
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November 24, 2021, 04:30:32 AM
What do you think is the problem why the Lakers are struggling right now? The Coach maybe? or lack of chemistry or the fact that most of them are all star and they want to get the ball and just shoot Cheesy. Either way, I think that the Lakers should adjust right now or they will end up at the lower spot or worse they might not enter the playoffs.

Westbrook isn't the problem (like everyone is complaining about) having almost everyone in the team a superstar and a former one isn't also the issue. They could actually execute a good offensive plays and they can even score in every way they want. Their number one problem is, they are not actually playing some defense.
They can't even sustain a lead no matter how huge it is, because the higher the lead the more the Lakers became comfortable thus making their defense become more lazy.

If they can't figure out how they'll adjust and fix their system, theres no way they're going to the Finals let alone the conference semis.

On one hand, I think it is a mindset problem. On the other hand, you sometimes have people on the court that are “counter productive” especially when it comes to playing defense. This year it’s Deaundre Jordan as it was Gasol last year. These players put to much stress on the defense requiring players to have to hustle to hard trying to chase guys off the 3pt line and protect the paint. Westbrook can also be very counter productive when he’s constantly taking bad shots early in the play clock and turning the ball over with wild passes. I think they playing A.Reaves to much already but we don’t have much depth and Doumbouya definitely needs playing time. I also hate that we never got a true replacement PF/C to fill that roll that Markieff Morris would sometimes play
Hmm, but Gasol didn't play that much in the Lakers uniform last year so we can't compare his performance with DJ. And as far as DJ, I think he is doing good specially Dwight Howard. So the Lakers looks solid in the middle and they also have AD to play the center position if the other teams chooses to play small on them. Maybe the system itself is flawed and the Lakers need to adjust. So let's see once Lebron is back, hopefully they can start to put up a winning streak just to take things going for them.
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November 24, 2021, 04:23:43 AM
What do you think is the problem why the Lakers are struggling right now? The Coach maybe? or lack of chemistry or the fact that most of them are all star and they want to get the ball and just shoot Cheesy. Either way, I think that the Lakers should adjust right now or they will end up at the lower spot or worse they might not enter the playoffs.

Westbrook isn't the problem (like everyone is complaining about) having almost everyone in the team a superstar and a former one isn't also the issue. They could actually execute a good offensive plays and they can even score in every way they want. Their number one problem is, they are not actually playing some defense.
They can't even sustain a lead no matter how huge it is, because the higher the lead the more the Lakers became comfortable thus making their defense become more lazy.

If they can't figure out how they'll adjust and fix their system, theres no way they're going to the Finals let alone the conference semis.

Still finding the chemistry, I think that is no mystery that with many superstars the coach will have a hard time rotating them. I disagree though, they play good defense, AD and WB play good defense it's that they can't translate their good defense and score points.

But I do agree that the chances for the Lakers to go to the semis much more to the finals is getting less and less with that defeat against the New York Knicks.

The problem is the whole system, they traded the key players and they risk on Westbrook who can't jive well on the old players. We can't blame Westbrook as he is just playing the way he used to play, and the Lakers organization already know that before they acquired him, so that's the risk they take and they fail on this trade.
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November 24, 2021, 03:33:22 AM
What do you think is the problem why the Lakers are struggling right now? The Coach maybe? or lack of chemistry or the fact that most of them are all star and they want to get the ball and just shoot Cheesy. Either way, I think that the Lakers should adjust right now or they will end up at the lower spot or worse they might not enter the playoffs.

Westbrook isn't the problem (like everyone is complaining about) having almost everyone in the team a superstar and a former one isn't also the issue. They could actually execute a good offensive plays and they can even score in every way they want. Their number one problem is, they are not actually playing some defense.
They can't even sustain a lead no matter how huge it is, because the higher the lead the more the Lakers became comfortable thus making their defense become more lazy.

If they can't figure out how they'll adjust and fix their system, theres no way they're going to the Finals let alone the conference semis.

Still finding the chemistry, I think that is no mystery that with many superstars the coach will have a hard time rotating them. I disagree though, they play good defense, AD and WB play good defense it's that they can't translate their good defense and score points.

But I do agree that the chances for the Lakers to go to the semis much more to the finals is getting less and less with that defeat against the New York Knicks.
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November 24, 2021, 03:26:16 AM
What do you think is the problem why the Lakers are struggling right now? The Coach maybe? or lack of chemistry or the fact that most of them are all star and they want to get the ball and just shoot Cheesy. Either way, I think that the Lakers should adjust right now or they will end up at the lower spot or worse they might not enter the playoffs.

Westbrook isn't the problem (like everyone is complaining about) having almost everyone in the team a superstar and a former one isn't also the issue. They could actually execute a good offensive plays and they can even score in every way they want. Their number one problem is, they are not actually playing some defense.
They can't even sustain a lead no matter how huge it is, because the higher the lead the more the Lakers became comfortable thus making their defense become more lazy.

If they can't figure out how they'll adjust and fix their system, theres no way they're going to the Finals let alone the conference semis.

On one hand, I think it is a mindset problem. On the other hand, you sometimes have people on the court that are “counter productive” especially when it comes to playing defense. This year it’s Deaundre Jordan as it was Gasol last year. These players put to much stress on the defense requiring players to have to hustle to hard trying to chase guys off the 3pt line and protect the paint. Westbrook can also be very counter productive when he’s constantly taking bad shots early in the play clock and turning the ball over with wild passes. I think they playing A.Reaves to much already but we don’t have much depth and Doumbouya definitely needs playing time. I also hate that we never got a true replacement PF/C to fill that roll that Markieff Morris would sometimes play
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November 24, 2021, 03:12:19 AM
What do you think is the problem why the Lakers are struggling right now? The Coach maybe? or lack of chemistry or the fact that most of them are all star and they want to get the ball and just shoot Cheesy. Either way, I think that the Lakers should adjust right now or they will end up at the lower spot or worse they might not enter the playoffs.

Westbrook isn't the problem (like everyone is complaining about) having almost everyone in the team a superstar and a former one isn't also the issue. They could actually execute a good offensive plays and they can even score in every way they want. Their number one problem is, they are not actually playing some defense.
They can't even sustain a lead no matter how huge it is, because the higher the lead the more the Lakers became comfortable thus making their defense become more lazy.

If they can't figure out how they'll adjust and fix their system, theres no way they're going to the Finals let alone the conference semis.
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November 24, 2021, 03:02:50 AM
They made a valiant effort to comeback but it looks like they’re out of gas now that they’re back to being down by 10. It’s a little bit sad to see so many hall of gamers struggle to get wins during regular season games. I don’t know if he rest of the league is targeting them for being a super team or if they’re really this bad, but it’s hard to watch at times.
Russell Westbrook stepped on his gas at the 3rd quarter and even tied the game but it is the 4th that became different. With WB lacking the stamina after that boost, he needs another player to step up his game. AD did but Melo cannot find his rhythm. Was that 4 times 3 point attempts, iirc?
3 offensive rebounds, 4 misses until Coach Vogel had enough of it and called a timeout. I even saw him run at the half-court just so he could touch the referee and call it quickly.  Grin 1st half though was all for Avery Bradley that's why they can hang with a close lead.

And it seems that they've ran out of gas chasing a huge lead. It was WB on the third who lead the way. Melo though hit his last 3 point to tie the count in the 4th quarter but that was it. Another that he has missed a lot of 3 point. THT has a horrendous shooting night as well. Randall got his 5th foul but the Lakers wasn't able to take advantage with 9 minutes left with a lot of bad shots. And it was just another bad performance from the Lakers.
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November 24, 2021, 02:03:18 AM
They made a valiant effort to comeback but it looks like they’re out of gas now that they’re back to being down by 10. It’s a little bit sad to see so many hall of gamers struggle to get wins during regular season games. I don’t know if he rest of the league is targeting them for being a super team or if they’re really this bad, but it’s hard to watch at times.
Russell Westbrook stepped on his gas at the 3rd quarter and even tied the game but it is the 4th that became different. With WB lacking the stamina after that boost, he needs another player to step up his game. AD did but Melo cannot find his rhythm. Was that 4 times 3 point attempts, iirc?
3 offensive rebounds, 4 misses until Coach Vogel had enough of it and called a timeout. I even saw him run at the half-court just so he could touch the referee and call it quickly.  Grin 1st half though was all for Avery Bradley that's why they can hang with a close lead.
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November 24, 2021, 12:31:29 AM
The Lakers are just on another dimension today, they are missing terribly in this 4th quarter no threes have been sinking except the last one from Davis. They could have won this game if they have just taken it easy instead of raining low percentage threes that cost them to lose possession every time. they lose this game because the problem is they don't usually compete inside they just throw outside which is not currently working at all. They've just lost without LBJ, either way, the result would be the same when they play this kind of game.
I thought that the Knicks would lose this game after leading as high as 25 points in the 2nd quarter because they let the Lakers tie the game at the 3rd quarter.
Well, it seems like they ran out of steam coming into the 4th Quarter. Now they are below 500 again.

What do you think is the problem why the Lakers are struggling right now? The Coach maybe? or lack of chemistry or the fact that most of them are all star and they want to get the ball and just shoot Cheesy. Either way, I think that the Lakers should adjust right now or they will end up at the lower spot or worse they might not enter the playoffs.
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November 23, 2021, 10:06:36 PM
The Lakers are just on another dimension today, they are missing terribly in this 4th quarter no threes have been sinking except the last one from Davis. They could have won this game if they have just taken it easy instead of raining low percentage threes that cost them to lose possession every time. they lose this game because the problem is they don't usually compete inside they just throw outside which is not currently working at all. They've just lost without LBJ, either way, the result would be the same when they play this kind of game.

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November 23, 2021, 09:51:06 PM

Looking at the odds, they are not the favourite to win this game against the Knicks, maybe because Lebron is out again.

And the games is on MSG so I guess the Knicks are going to take this W. It might be very close though as the Lakers still have Davis, Russ and Melo. Hopefully though, coach Vogel will give more minutes in the rotation for Dwight as he has been playing very well offensively and defensively in the last couple of games even hitting 3's and making a lot of block shots.
The Lakers have some problems both offensively and defensively from the very beginning of the match, considering that they conceded 10 points in the first two minutes. So it should be an easy win for the Knicks, especially since they are already leading by 20 points in the second quarter.




They made a valiant effort to comeback but it looks like they’re out of gas now that they’re back to being down by 10. It’s a little bit sad to see so many hall of gamers struggle to get wins during regular season games. I don’t know if he rest of the league is targeting them for being a super team or if they’re really this bad, but it’s hard to watch at times.
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November 23, 2021, 08:27:12 PM

Looking at the odds, they are not the favourite to win this game against the Knicks, maybe because Lebron is out again.

And the games is on MSG so I guess the Knicks are going to take this W. It might be very close though as the Lakers still have Davis, Russ and Melo. Hopefully though, coach Vogel will give more minutes in the rotation for Dwight as he has been playing very well offensively and defensively in the last couple of games even hitting 3's and making a lot of block shots.
The Lakers have some problems both offensively and defensively from the very beginning of the match, considering that they conceded 10 points in the first two minutes. So it should be an easy win for the Knicks, especially since they are already leading by 20 points in the second quarter.


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November 23, 2021, 08:06:45 PM
I do agree that Lebron is not a dirty player. And in this situation, it seems that he didn't intentionally try to throw that elbow on Stewart. They are all jockeying for position and no one want's to give up and perhaps James is trying to regain control and accidentally throw the elbow to Stewart face. And as per report, he will be suspended one game without pay.

I guess some times intention doesn't matter in cases like this, James isn't and has never been dirty player (this being his first suspension and 2nd ejected over the course of his illustrious career would also corroborate that fact)  It was pretty obvious that James was trying to apologize immediately even before Stewart stood up perhaps knowing the impact that the fist could have made, but the damage has been done already intentional or not. I'm sure Stewart would reflect on the replay seeing that James was sorry instantly and probably didn't mean for it to happen.

Yes, that's what I'm trying to say as well, and not defending Lebron, but his numbers as far as suspension and ejection will tell us that he is not a dirty player. He may be a 'flopper' though, but that is very different than a player who wanted to hurt or retaliate.

In any case, the league will really have to take control of these players, as we all know we just had the Jokic-Morris incident and now this one.
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November 23, 2021, 05:35:05 PM
I think these dirty style plays from LeBron are going to become more and more common as his aging lowers his play level to be below some of the young guys in the league. I don’t he’s going to have an easy time adjusting to him not being the most dominant player on the court.


Guys, LeBron has only been ejected 2 times only, all the other dirty plays he did were either mild or he simply got away, I'm not a LeBron fan but he's not a dirty player
You are missing the point Dupee. He wasn't a dirty player when he was younger since he can dominate the game with his skills and superior athleticism. He may as well resort to using tricks and some dirty plays to outmaneuver his opponents as his body deteriorates due to age. He won't be able to outrun or outjump younger guys now.

Well, he's 36, he is past his prime but I'm pretty sure with the situation that elevated yesterday or perhaps the other day, the situation wasn't really that relevant to what you were saying, it's not a trick nor a dirty play,
The point I'm making is more on the future and not just limited to the incident. Og also pointed out that we could see dirty style or "out of frustration" play as say it happening more often.

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Isaiah Stewart is not a key player for Detroit, only averages on what is expected for a rookie/sophomore so I don't see the need for LeBron to actually get rid of this kid in the game,
Irrelevant. It doesn't really matter if the guy is a superstar or average as long as he's playing on the court.

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I am assuming that it's more of a frustration rather than a dirty play, you can see how irritated LeBron was when he elbowed Stewart, therefore, LeBron won't resort to that kind of violence as he didn't mean it and was a heat of the moment for both,
The same thing as what I said above. These "heat of the moment" could happen more often.
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November 23, 2021, 04:30:08 PM
No LeBron tonight for the Lakers vs the Knicks. A shame because the game is nationally televised on TNT. I’m not sure the Lakers need him to win this game, especially after playing so many games without him lately, so hopefully they get a W and make it an interesting game. Seems like a pretty weak TV schedule for TNT’s game night this week…

Looking at the odds, they are not the favourite to win this game against the Knicks, maybe because Lebron is out again.

And the games is on MSG so I guess the Knicks are going to take this W. It might be very close though as the Lakers still have Davis, Russ and Melo. Hopefully though, coach Vogel will give more minutes in the rotation for Dwight as he has been playing very well offensively and defensively in the last couple of games even hitting 3's and making a lot of block shots.

I think AD is day to day as well.  Normally I would agree but the Knicks haven't been good at home.  I've watched every knick game this year and if AD is playing he is a matchup nightmare for the Knicks.  Mitch is out for the Knicks who is our rim protector and Noel can't play the whe game.  Taj is hurting and is very undersized to cover AD anyway.  Thibs is going to have to get creative here tonight.
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