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newbie
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May 20, 2024, 09:54:29 AM
#32

Sometimes I try some free AI tools on those texts and the AI tool says it is 100% written by a human and I can't believe it somewhat.

simple explanation. they use the AI in their native language and then use google translate. that leaves the AI like us: completely confused.
that's why most of those posts are long, make zero sense, have lots of grammar mistakes etc... they're unreadable, ridiculous and have become the standard of this place. and the mods dgaf.
sr. member
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May 20, 2024, 05:50:50 AM
#31
My thoughts on this are simple. If a user is assisted in making a post through artificial intelligence, instead of the user to pass it on as knowledge coming from themselves they should do the right thing and simply put at the footnote or references, source as artificial intelligence. Doing this without adding a source is tantamount to plagiarism. However if it is overdone by a user then the attention of the user needs to be called to it and they should be cautioned. We want to see original thoughts, ideas and write up not ai generated.

Except a user is using it as a reference to something, I don't think AI generated post should be used at all. I don't see any reason why somebody can use an AI to write a full post and then putting a link or stating that the post was AI generated makes it okay. I don't know if there's an expressive rule against it, but it doesn't make sense to me. It's different if you use an AI tool to correct your spelling, grammar or punctuation, but using an AI to generate a post is just wrong. It's not organic.
This is a discussion forum and in a discussion if you don't have anything to say you just be quiet and listen, you don't always have to say something. It's better to not reply to a post or create a post than posting someone else's words, that's plagiarism..
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May 13, 2024, 08:13:12 PM
#30
The saying,

"Put your money where your mouth is!"

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newbie
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May 13, 2024, 12:37:56 PM
#29
i try to be as rude as possible in all my posts. no AI is rude so i'm sure no one will think i'm using it.

Most of the AI text generating tools I have tried can be "forced" (or rather persuaded) to use any expression style you want.  So, aiming for rudeness might not be the unique snowflake you think it is.  I think the content of your posts is much more important than the way you express it. Whether it is polite or rude makes no difference.


oof i wasn't really expecting a reply but ok.
damn this place is so serious.
next time i'll add ten smileys to avoid confusion
legendary
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May 12, 2024, 06:47:14 PM
#28
There is the topic, and there are quite a lot of examples of how people catch spammers in GPT chat. Moderators also use their own verification methods; otherwise, how can we think that some reports are good and some remain unprocessed?
Detecting AI is tricky unless there are obvious copy and paste. Write an article using AI, change words where necessary, add a few lines where necessary or even remove a few lines. It become impossible to detect that the source was AI but it still is AI. The only tool we have in detecting AI is to trust our feeling.

When I read posts, if I suspect a user then I start reading his post history, it takes time but after reading a few posts somehow you generate a feeling in yourself to make a decision. Problem with this method is, I can easily be wrong and a member become a victim of my wrong conclusion.
That would never be too easy to trace. There are those who are actually excellent in their written communication skills that we tend to suspect that they are using AI, but in reality they simply use their intelligence and reasoning skills that not all of us are capable of having it. Or there are also those who are too good to be true but they end up copying it from AI to make their explanation more meaningful and convincing.

So I guess detecting AI carries a lot of work to do. You can’t simply just say that someone is using AI unless if you have proven proofs and evidences. Otherwise, you end up barking at the wrong tree.
legendary
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May 12, 2024, 02:40:35 PM
#27
i try to be as rude as possible in all my posts. no AI is rude so i'm sure no one will think i'm using it.

Most of the AI text generating tools I have tried can be "forced" (or rather persuaded) to use any expression style you want.  So, aiming for rudeness might not be the unique snowflake you think it is.  I think the content of your posts is much more important than the way you express it. Whether it is polite or rude makes no difference.


AI posts usually don't look genuine at all. If it is a long ass post and it is on a serious subject, written with a serious language, posted by a low ranking member; >90% that's a AI generated text. There are many posts like that nowadays and the posters are mostly newbies&jr members.

Sometimes I try some free AI tools on those texts and the AI tool says it is 100% written by a human and I can't believe it somewhat. I think they must have found a way to fool the AI detectors because I somehow don't think there are many genuine people out there who want to sign-up and write a long ass very detailed article on economics to educate us. Those must be spam.
legendary
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May 12, 2024, 02:16:16 PM
#26
i try to be as rude as possible in all my posts. no AI is rude so i'm sure no one will think i'm using it.

Most of the AI text generating tools I have tried can be "forced" (or rather persuaded) to use any expression style you want.  So, aiming for rudeness might not be the unique snowflake you think it is.  I think the content of your posts is much more important than the way you express it. Whether it is polite or rude makes no difference.
newbie
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May 12, 2024, 01:03:18 PM
#25
i try to be as rude as possible in all my posts. no AI is rude so i'm sure no one will think i'm using it.
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May 12, 2024, 10:57:13 AM
#24
Is grammarly and other tools to improve post quality is part of this AI tools? I’m using this AI tools sometimes when I’m on a device with this extension which I use to correct my grammar and improve my post. Sometimes it change my sentence construction to a more decent format.

I’m confused whether this tool is considered as AI or not but I'm sure that it’s different approach compared to chatgpt AI because my thoughts is the basis of the improved post.
I do not know how to answer this question but I would say after you have used grammarly to help your sentence construction, run your text through a AI checker software available on the internet, if they turn out to signal that it is AI written, I would advise that you should simply indicate at the end of the text that grammarly was used in helping your sentence construction. Because if any other user runs your texts via the AI checker and it turns out to be 100% AI, how do you explain to them that it was grammarly that you use for sentence construction and not chat GPT?

Anyone who often uses several tools to check AI texts can already visually predict whether a post was created using GPT chat or not. I'm not talking about guaranteed detection, but such posts most often attract the eye and beg for verification. If you're talking about grammar and spell-checking tools, then your text is unlikely to be detectable as AI-written text. I see a lot of examples, and those posts that people write on their own will never (or in rare cases) be identified as AI. Therefore, there is no need for clarification.

There is the topic, and there are quite a lot of examples of how people catch spammers in GPT chat. Moderators also use their own verification methods; otherwise, how can we think that some reports are good and some remain unprocessed?

But those cases when we mark spammers as “accounts using AI” have virtually no effect on the spammers. Having received the tag, they continue to write in AI texts.

It really is like fighting windmills.

Thank you for this clarification. I usually have a doubt when using grammarly since they now offer text improvement which rephrased a complete statement based on the format your desire by changing the tone and expression of your original statement. This makes me confused because this might already a borderline AI like tools which I might unknowingly using.

But one thing is for sure that I construct first my first and just improve using the tools to make it more appealing to read by correcting the grammar. This comment give me confidence. Thanks again
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May 12, 2024, 10:16:46 AM
#23
Ordinarily, it's an act of cheating on others by using AI to generate a topic and laying claim of ownership to it. It could make those other members that are constantly driving in personal  effort into making quality posts get to feel as though their efforts is not making progress or improvement whenever they have to compare an AI generator poster posts to that of theirs which was done organically of their own effort. That's just one of many reasons I don't support the use of AI in the forum for discussions.

But if the administrators would want to absorb the use of AI in anyway, then I'll suggest a dedicated board is created for all kinds of AI generated topics no matter the category or section the topics should just be posted into that very board in as much as it's AI generated. And it won't need the poster to indicate if it's AI generated or not, just by having it there common sense will tell it's AI generated.

sr. member
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May 12, 2024, 05:32:47 AM
#22

The first thing we should stop calling it Artificial Intelligence and more like Artificial Shitposting, cause in most of those cases there is nothing intelligent in it, just the same shitpost you would get for plagiarizing an article or using a word spinner on the previous right answer.
In my opinion, anyone caught doing such a thing should get a 7 days ban and then a full ban if caught doing it again, this is to give him time to defend himself in case of a mistake in detection, but overall we should discourage this as much as possible, it's bad for the forum it's bad for discussions, there is simply no positive thing coming out of allowing it.

Well I guess they just living up to their names, they are intelligent not wise, they know what it means logically by the knowledge they were inputed or have access to but can't practically make use of it. Hence Artificial intelligence and not Artificial Wisdom.
So Artificial intelligence post can be classified as Shitposting.
I thought AI post face same penalty as plagiarism posts.
Personally can't tell what an AI post looks like but I have came across posts that just looks intelligently off
Like how did a human write something like this.
I usually just brush them as their writing style or their inexperience
I usually come across them on Newbies thread and feel they don't understand the forum well to add life to their posts.
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you're gonna have to ban a looot of people
I believe Quality beats Quantity most or all the time.
Funny how I  have never used ChatGpt in my life
Don't know if it's located in a platform or an App
Maybe that explains my inability of understanding AI posts.
legendary
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May 12, 2024, 04:57:53 AM
#21
There is the topic, and there are quite a lot of examples of how people catch spammers in GPT chat. Moderators also use their own verification methods; otherwise, how can we think that some reports are good and some remain unprocessed?
Detecting AI is tricky unless there are obvious copy and paste. Write an article using AI, change words where necessary, add a few lines where necessary or even remove a few lines. It become impossible to detect that the source was AI but it still is AI. The only tool we have in detecting AI is to trust our feeling.

When I read posts, if I suspect a user then I start reading his post history, it takes time but after reading a few posts somehow you generate a feeling in yourself to make a decision. Problem with this method is, I can easily be wrong and a member become a victim of my wrong conclusion.
legendary
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May 12, 2024, 12:39:41 AM
#20
Is grammarly and other tools to improve post quality is part of this AI tools? I’m using this AI tools sometimes when I’m on a device with this extension which I use to correct my grammar and improve my post. Sometimes it change my sentence construction to a more decent format.

I’m confused whether this tool is considered as AI or not but I'm sure that it’s different approach compared to chatgpt AI because my thoughts is the basis of the improved post.
I do not know how to answer this question but I would say after you have used grammarly to help your sentence construction, run your text through a AI checker software available on the internet, if they turn out to signal that it is AI written, I would advise that you should simply indicate at the end of the text that grammarly was used in helping your sentence construction. Because if any other user runs your texts via the AI checker and it turns out to be 100% AI, how do you explain to them that it was grammarly that you use for sentence construction and not chat GPT?

Anyone who often uses several tools to check AI texts can already visually predict whether a post was created using GPT chat or not. I'm not talking about guaranteed detection, but such posts most often attract the eye and beg for verification. If you're talking about grammar and spell-checking tools, then your text is unlikely to be detectable as AI-written text. I see a lot of examples, and those posts that people write on their own will never (or in rare cases) be identified as AI. Therefore, there is no need for clarification.

There is the topic, and there are quite a lot of examples of how people catch spammers in GPT chat. Moderators also use their own verification methods; otherwise, how can we think that some reports are good and some remain unprocessed?

But those cases when we mark spammers as “accounts using AI” have virtually no effect on the spammers. Having received the tag, they continue to write in AI texts.

It really is like fighting windmills.
legendary
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May 12, 2024, 12:38:53 AM
#19
If an AI is able to consistently create content that doesn't break any of the forum's rules (good quality, on-topic, not just a padded word salad, no plagiarism, etc, etc)~
"AI" is plagiarism by definition. The only difference with "manuAl" (see what I did there?) plagiarism is that chatbots take many more inputs and uses bits and pieces of all of them. The only good thing is that if enough people spam using AI, it can't train itself anymore because it's input will be generated by AI already.
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May 11, 2024, 10:27:45 PM
#18
AI will make spamming much easier because users that will try to spam the forum can just make multiple accounts and then use AI to create topics and posts that clearly doesn't have any thought in it or organic idea in there which makes it easier to reproduce with just a simple prompt, they'd probably be able to do it. So rather than dealing with that possibility because they want to serve people equally and give them the freedom that they want to have, outright prohibition is the route that they've chosen which is understandable because that's the way that would be better for more people, the quality of the posts aren't even going to be affected or would be damaged because there's a restriction on AI generated posts.

The other thing that makes AI bad for this forum is that it would be an unfair advantage to those that knows how to post without the assistance of an AI.

Its really going to be difficult to weed out the users who use AI and the users who don't. I wish there was some way to trace it all the way back to the text like some sort of source code embedded into the text that would tell you who the verified maker of that text was. This would make your digital signature have a lot more weight in places like this, I can see some sort of digital signature standard becoming popular in the future to prove that AI was not used in the writing or something of that sort. For use in the forum is stickily banned and anyone who partakes in this type of behavior without properly sourcing will be shown very little grace, if any.
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May 11, 2024, 10:14:05 PM
#17
Maybe we should ask the expert   Grin
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That "expert" is a bit biased, dont you think?


LMAO that really made me chuckle.

I'm not sure if we will be able to combat AI completely, and I also think it will be a part of our lives no matter if we want it or not.
legendary
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May 11, 2024, 04:33:38 PM
#16
Maybe we should ask the expert   Grin
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That "expert" is a bit biased, dont you think?

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May 11, 2024, 03:04:33 PM
#15
Maybe we should ask the expert   Grin

Should a bitcoin forum allow AI posting?


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Allowing AI posting on a Bitcoin forum can have both benefits and drawbacks. Here are some considerations:

Benefits:

    24/7 Availability: AI can provide responses and engage in discussions at any time, ensuring continuous activity on the forum.
    Instantaneous Responses: AI can quickly answer common questions or provide information without the need for human intervention, improving user experience.
    Scalability: AI can handle a large volume of inquiries simultaneously, allowing the forum to scale efficiently as the user base grows.
    Diverse Perspectives: AI can offer different perspectives and insights based on the data it's trained on, enriching discussions.

Drawbacks:

    Quality Control: AI may produce low-quality or irrelevant responses, leading to misinformation or confusion among users.
    Lack of Emotional Intelligence: AI may struggle to understand the nuances of human communication, leading to misunderstandings or inappropriate responses.
    Ethical Concerns: AI posting raises ethical questions regarding transparency, accountability, and potential manipulation of discussions.
    Security Risks: AI could be exploited by malicious actors to spread misinformation, promote scams, or engage in other nefarious activities.

Ultimately, the decision to allow AI posting on a Bitcoin forum should consider these factors, as well as the specific goals and values of the community. Implementing proper safeguards, such as moderation and transparency measures, can help mitigate potential risks while harnessing the benefits of AI technology.
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May 11, 2024, 02:56:52 PM
#14
I feel like we need clear rules about Artificial Intelligence on the forum.

The first thing we should stop calling it Artificial Intelligence and more like Artificial Shitposting, cause in most of those cases there is nothing intelligent in it, just the same shitpost you would get for plagiarizing an article or using a word spinner on the previous right answer.
In my opinion, anyone caught doing such a thing should get a 7 days ban and then a full ban if caught doing it again, this is to give him time to defend himself in case of a mistake in detection, but overall we should discourage this as much as possible, it's bad for the forum it's bad for discussions, there is simply no positive thing coming out of allowing it.




I understand that even if a post is well formatted and grammatically too correct as in the case of chatgpt, but if it doesn't fit in a place it is used, it should be called a spam. This is a discussion forum, and most of the discussions here are emotionally attached and in most cases these AI generated texts eliminate the emotions.

It is time for theymos to do something. I believe he is reluctant to do so because he believes there's no 100% sure tool for detecting AI. You can be wrongly accused and banned. So, as time unfolds there'll clear rules about AI posting. I actually do not here to be filled with randomly generated texts in the future.
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May 11, 2024, 12:17:05 PM
#13
My thoughts on this are simple. If a user is assisted in making a post through artificial intelligence, instead of the user to pass it on as knowledge coming from themselves they should do the right thing and simply put at the footnote or references, source as artificial intelligence. Doing this without adding a source is tantamount to plagiarism. However if it is overdone by a user then the attention of the user needs to be called to it and they should be cautioned. We want to see original thoughts, ideas and write up not ai generated.

i'm pretty sure you used either chatgpt or google translate to write that post, correct?
Nope.

Why should I?
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