Topic: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border - page 20. (Read 51960 times)

A site of a freelance journalist:
http://jimstonefreelance.com/

Interesting observation of "DNA results":

Ukraine responsible for airspace safety: IATA

Ukraine bears responsibility for keeping its airspace open to flights like the doomed MH17, says the chief executive of the International Air Transport Association, Tony Tyler.
“Airlines depend on governments and air traffic control authorities to advise which air space is available for flight, and they plan within those limits,” he said.

“It is very similar to driving a car. If the road is open, you assume that it is safe. If it’s closed you find an alternate route.”
However, an industry source said in this case, the “road” was more like a toll road, as the cash-strapped Ukrainian government was receiving overflight fees for each commercial flight above its territory and therefore had a financial incentive to keep the airspace open as long as possible.
Three days before MH17 was apparently shot down by a surface-to-air missile, Ukraine had raised the minimum altitude open for commercial flights over the eastern part of its country to 32,000 feet, from 26,000 feet previously after a military cargo jet was downed at 21,000 feet.

The Malaysian Transport Minister, Liow Tiong Lai, said on Saturday that the pilot had requested to fly at 35,000 feet over Ukraine’s airspace but was told by air traffic control to fly at 33,000 feet.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/ukraine-responsible-for-airspace-safety-iata-20140720-zuzmp.html

And the Ukrainian authorities identified that it was the Buk missile system which felled the plane just minutes after the crash, even before the rebels located the wreckage on ground.

No many strange things in this story: Malaysian plane again, diverted to the war zone by the flight controllers; fake videos that appeared before or straight after the crash - all this is too fishy.

Smell justice.

From Article 17 of the United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:

1. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to unlawful attacks on his honour and reputation.
2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

These statements were implemented by UN member nations in local laws. There are some of them:


It should be clarified that the Criminal Code of Russian Federation doesn't provide any articles about libel and defamation. There is an article in the Penal Code, so I think you will agree that administrative penalty is much more preferable in comparison with criminal case. It seems that you've lost again due to publication of another unfounded statement... You are used to encounter such hardships, ain't you?

It's so sad. Such a beautiful country and culture. Ukraine does not deserve that.

Yes. US and Europe experiment on multi-culture society failed miserable.

Is Your Office experiencing mass slaughter of civilians?




Are you really that stupid? Hmm.. let's see: 80% of world lives in more or less homogenic populated areas/cities/countries - guy on bitcointalk thinks his Office of 5 different nationalities is the world norm. 

"...for us Ukrainians the only question is how to remove them from our territory without allowing them to take chunks of it with them
....
We cannot live together with them after this war; they will either be killed or pushed out...".

Ethnic cleansing?!
Let's see, we are 5 guys at my office:
1 is married to a local woman - 1 daughter
1 is married to a Russian woman - 1 son
1 is married to a Polish woman - 1 daughter
1 is married to an American woman - 1 son+1 daughter
I was married to an Indonesian woman - 2 daughters (and they used to go by Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur - Jakarta - Surabaya when going to visit their grandparents, so you can imagine how much of a "close call" this was to me!) - currently with an Angolan woman.

And this is a single small office, many of my remaining friends are married to other nationalities women and men. Mexicans, Brazilians, Ukrainians, and so on... we can make a mini-UN at any friends dinner.
A person still thinking about "ethnic cleansings" by 2014 is probably living under a rock! The World is a global place nowadays.

Open a new topic about.

We talked about freedom of speech, so yes or no ?

You understand what is ethnic cleansing in Ukraine?
It has nothing to do with Putin.

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What does ICAO in this moment?

has nothing to do with my point.

Sure every government suck but we can hardly say north Korea is like Switzerland, so we can try to compare freedom of speech between France and Russia.

In what way, can you be more precise? Do you have examples of freedom fighters from Novorossia shelling Kiev and Lvov or killing civilians across Ivano-Frankovsk? No. Because they are fighting a purely defensive war, protecting their homeland. I do not intend to invent black sheep just for the sake of political correctness and balance.

The greatest fear the leaders of self-defence forces have is that some group, not reporting the chain of command of the republican army might pose as art of it and create provocations. from previous reports I know that internally the freedom fighters have a strict order, and any looting or marauding is severely punished, up to by death.

By the way, I don't think that the plane was shot down by the regular Ukrainian army. It's more likely the work of one of the private bands that I mentioned above.

Well, actually it seems that no government is respecting individual freedoms nowadays. We see disrespect to citizens all the time, from each and every government, so, I wouldn't waste my time to naively defend either sides of the official stories.

There's no such thing as free press anywhere when it's clear that the main news vehicles are always defending their governments propaganda with few (if any) exceptions.

(In case of radio/TV, for example) As long as official government issued licence is mandatory, there will be a reason for this lack of objectivity. But there are still plenty of other reasons for the corrupt journalism everywhere.

To have access to plural points of view, in such scenario, is the best option, as long as each individual is capable to clearly reason and form their own opinion. Free and honest talks and discussions are very important here.

The fact is, the corrupt governors all conspire, all the time, lying to their citizens. That's the way it is. Maybe it was easier to their propaganda machines to brainwash the people in the past, but in today's world, with the Internet, and being so easy and instant, the communication and the spread of "real" information. They have more and more troubles.

No one can be sure it there's a conspiracy plot going on, but there is never enough attention, questioning and caution, especially if we turn to History and learn with all the other awful opportunities that governments had to create justifications and forge enemies in order to justify their own evil intentions. So many are the examples, not only the 9/11 WTC with all it's badly told story (that we all have "witnessed"):

Once the Foreign Secretary of England, Sir Edward Grey asked Woodrow Wilson's top adviser and mentor, Colonel Edward House, “What will America do if the Germans sink an ocean liner with American passengers on board?” and House answered, “I believe that a flame of indignation would sweep the United States and that by itself would be sufficient to carry us into the war.” Soon afterwards, the Lusitania sinking, with 1,200 killed, including 128 Americans, was then the "justification" for the US government to openly enter WWI.

BTW, with the fiat ponzi scheme implosion approaching, it seems that a "good" war is becoming necessary for them.

Funny, your government suck every time and you don't take care but the few time some western government don't respect right of their citizen you will remember forever...

Double standard ?

here i can wear a t-shirt with "Hollande resignation" written on. Can you wear on with "Putin resignation" on ? Yes or no ?