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Topic: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border - page 17. (Read 51960 times)
July 21, 2014, 09:45:57 AM
July 21, 2014, 09:45:40 AM
But is it so bad being pro-Russian, history has shown that it's synonymous to being pro-freedom, pro-independence, pro-truth, anti-fascist.
What the fuck Russian has do for freedom for 3 century ? Nothing... Near of all freedom philosopher come from the west.
do you maybe heard for world wars?
July 21, 2014, 09:45:32 AM
Russia wanted to be freinds. But it turned out that to be friends you need to sell all your national interests to transnats, and do exactly what US tells you to do, as during the Yeltsin sell-off of Russia.
What the fuck is the Russian "national" interest ?
What the fuck is American national interest, and why is it located in Georgia, Turkey, Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Germany, France, Iraq, Afghanistan, the list goes on.
The Russian national interest is located in Russia.
But if I want to invest at IBM, Microsoft or any other US company I'm welcome to do so. If I want to invest in Gazprom... damn! Here comes Putin...!
July 21, 2014, 09:44:19 AM
Look deeper. Was Berezovskij so "Russian", ending up in UK, was Gusinskij so "Russian" ending up in Spain. All oligarchs had foreign agenda.
Yes... all oligarchs take the leverage that Russians doesn't bother to be ram f**ed just because they are "Russian" to get funds and then go laundry them to the West buying "western interests".
July 21, 2014, 09:43:31 AM
Russia wanted to be freinds. But it turned out that to be friends you need to sell all your national interests to transnats, and do exactly what US tells you to do, as during the Yeltsin sell-off of Russia.
What the fuck is the Russian "national" interest ?
What the fuck is American national interest, and why is it located in Georgia, Turkey, Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Germany, France, Iraq, Afghanistan, the list goes on.
The Russian national interest is located in Russia.
July 21, 2014, 09:43:26 AM
The thing is, The U.S., along with Russia, signed a treaty with Ukraine that stipulates that if they give up their nuclear weapons arsenal both the U.S. and Russia would protect Ukraine's territorial integrity. That went out the window when Russia literally took Crimea by force and how Russia is now supporting separatists in the Donetsk region.
The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances of 1994 that you are implicitly referring to here is not ratified. It means that it is not legally binding upon the parties that have signed it.
July 21, 2014, 09:42:05 AM
It was Putin's missile!
By Pepe Escobar
And here's the spin war verdict: the current Malaysia Airlines tragedy - the second in four months - is "terrorism" perpetrated by "pro-Russian separatists", armed by Russia, and Vladimir Putin is the main culprit. End of story. Anyone who believes otherwise, shut up.
Why? Because the CIA said so. Because Hillary "We came, we saw, he died" Clinton said so. Because batshit crazy Samantha "R2P" Power said so - thundering at the UN, everything duly printed by the neo-con infested Washington Post. [1]
Because Anglo-American corporate media - from CNN to Fox (who tried to buy Time Warner, which owns CNN) - said so. Because the President of the United States (POTUS) said so. And mostly because Kiev had vociferously said so in the first place.
Right off the bat they were all lined up - the invariably hysterical reams of "experts" of the "US intelligence community" literally foaming at their palatial mouths at "evil" Russia and "evil" Putin; intel "experts" who could not identify a convoy of gleaming white Toyotas crossing the Iraqi desert to take Mosul. And yet they have already sentenced they don't need to look any further, instantly solving the MH17 riddle.
It doesn't matter that President Putin has stressed the MH17 tragedy must be investigated objectively. And "objectively" certainly does not mean that fictional "international community" notion construed by Washington - the usual congregation of pliable vassals/patsies.
http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/
By Pepe Escobar
And here's the spin war verdict: the current Malaysia Airlines tragedy - the second in four months - is "terrorism" perpetrated by "pro-Russian separatists", armed by Russia, and Vladimir Putin is the main culprit. End of story. Anyone who believes otherwise, shut up.
Why? Because the CIA said so. Because Hillary "We came, we saw, he died" Clinton said so. Because batshit crazy Samantha "R2P" Power said so - thundering at the UN, everything duly printed by the neo-con infested Washington Post. [1]
Because Anglo-American corporate media - from CNN to Fox (who tried to buy Time Warner, which owns CNN) - said so. Because the President of the United States (POTUS) said so. And mostly because Kiev had vociferously said so in the first place.
Right off the bat they were all lined up - the invariably hysterical reams of "experts" of the "US intelligence community" literally foaming at their palatial mouths at "evil" Russia and "evil" Putin; intel "experts" who could not identify a convoy of gleaming white Toyotas crossing the Iraqi desert to take Mosul. And yet they have already sentenced they don't need to look any further, instantly solving the MH17 riddle.
It doesn't matter that President Putin has stressed the MH17 tragedy must be investigated objectively. And "objectively" certainly does not mean that fictional "international community" notion construed by Washington - the usual congregation of pliable vassals/patsies.
http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/
July 21, 2014, 09:41:54 AM
But is it so bad being pro-Russian, history has shown that it's synonymous to being pro-freedom, pro-independence, pro-truth, anti-fascist.
What the fuck Russian has do for freedom for 3 century ? Nothing... Near of all freedom philosopher come from the west.
July 21, 2014, 09:41:06 AM
Russia wanted to be freinds. But it turned out that to be friends you need to sell all your national interests to transnats, and do exactly what US tells you to do, as during the Yeltsin sell-off of Russia.
So you sold them to Russian oligarchs... I would say the problem is the oligarch, not where he comes from or what passport he bears.
Look deeper. Was Berezovskij so "Russian", ending up in UK, was Gusinskij so "Russian" ending up in Spain. All oligarchs had foreign agenda.
July 21, 2014, 09:39:57 AM
So you sold them to Russian oligarchs... I would say the problem is the oligarch, not where he comes from or what passport he bears.
I don't see any problem if Russian want to keep their crony capitalism. West can have poor friend.
July 21, 2014, 09:39:15 AM
Russian 'interests'
guess you are Russian then. This is all on Putin and company and anyone saying otherwise is as I said either Russian or a bootlicker. Which are you?
guess you are Russian then. This is all on Putin and company and anyone saying otherwise is as I said either Russian or a bootlicker. Which are you?
Most people here want the truth.
However, according to you there is only one truth - the US truth, and anyone saying otherwise, even in the face of fact are "pro-Russian". (Note, not pro-Soviet, as many continue to mix up those things)
But is it so bad being pro-Russian, history has shown that it's synonymous to being pro-freedom, pro-independence, pro-truth, anti-fascist.
July 21, 2014, 09:38:45 AM
Here is a simple fact that the right apparently doesn't know or refuses to understand. Hundred of flight of commercial aviation have flown that route. Now we know that the insurgents have shot down other planes. Or at least they claim to.
Now the kicker is that our capitalist corporations choose to fly over the dangerous area rather than to spend the extra money to fly around this area. Money is what got these people killed. It gave the insurgents the opportunity to shot them down.
Now the kicker is that our capitalist corporations choose to fly over the dangerous area rather than to spend the extra money to fly around this area. Money is what got these people killed. It gave the insurgents the opportunity to shot them down.
We fly over cause there was virtually no chance for an aircraft to be shot so high. We fly over Irak and Syria too.
July 21, 2014, 09:37:51 AM
Russia wanted to be freinds. But it turned out that to be friends you need to sell all your national interests to transnats, and do exactly what US tells you to do, as during the Yeltsin sell-off of Russia.
So you sold them to Russian oligarchs... I would say the problem is the oligarch, not where he comes from or what passport he bears.
July 21, 2014, 09:36:59 AM
Here is a simple fact that the right apparently doesn't know or refuses to understand. Hundred of flight of commercial aviation have flown that route. Now we know that the insurgents have shot down other planes. Or at least they claim to.
Now the kicker is that our capitalist corporations choose to fly over the dangerous area rather than to spend the extra money to fly around this area. Money is what got these people killed. It gave the insurgents the opportunity to shot them down.
Now the kicker is that our capitalist corporations choose to fly over the dangerous area rather than to spend the extra money to fly around this area. Money is what got these people killed. It gave the insurgents the opportunity to shot them down.
July 21, 2014, 09:35:49 AM
Russia wanted to be freinds. But it turned out that to be friends you need to sell all your national interests to transnats, and do exactly what US tells you to do, as during the Yeltsin sell-off of Russia.
What the fuck is the Russian "national" interest ?
July 21, 2014, 09:34:29 AM
They took down that plane to bring the international community in the `game`. It's very hard if not impossible to fully prove who pushed the button and in Kievs equation that plane is nothing. They are about to lose much more than a foreign plane or care about other opinions of that event. The crimeea precedent for them is already a disaster. I heard they are very corrupted dude. Already being on the edge they tried to get more from Russia through somekind of blackmail but ended up by losing crimeea and now even more. There are a lot of pro-russian/russian ppl in south-eastern ukraine so they didn't won a shit over there.
What happens there is an elaborated subject. Later.
Russian 'interests'What happens there is an elaborated subject. Later.
guess you are Russian then. This is all on Putin and company and anyone saying otherwise is as I said either Russian or a bootlicker. Which are you?
July 21, 2014, 09:34:19 AM
How about we just be friends for a change? Doesn't work?
Seem Russia don't want, they are frustrated to have loose her empire.
July 21, 2014, 09:34:15 AM
Or as the famous picture says:
Ho, Russia need her Lebensraum
Why Russia can't stop her paranoia and just become a friendly country ? Even China stopped systematic west bashing and want their young people go to the west to repair all the communist propaganda...
Like said, what is that all about Europe vs Russia if Russia is in Europe?
I understand that Russia was an attempt to create a 3rd Roman Empire, actually "Czar" is a "russification" of "Caesar", then they turn communists and yada yada... How about we just be friends for a change? Doesn't work?
Russia wanted to be freinds. But it turned out that to be friends you need to sell all your national interests to transnats, and do exactly what US tells you to do, as during the Yeltsin sell-off of Russia.
Or as the famous picture says. Russia has stayed more or less within its borders, actually losing a lot of territories during the 1917 coup d'etat. See who's on the course to expansion:
July 21, 2014, 09:32:32 AM
So far, Vladimir Putin of Russia has stated that it is Ukraine's fault because it happened on Ukrainian soil and Ukraine should be responsible for what happens on its soil. He also stated that if Ukraine hadn't conducted military operations in its east then none of this would have happened
Tony Tyler, chief executive of the International Air Transport Association, said virtually the same, that Ukraine bears responsibility for keeping its airspace open to flights like the doomed MH17:
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Airlines depend on governments and air traffic control authorities to advise which air space is available for flight, and they plan within those limits. It is very similar to driving a car. If the road is open, you assume that it is safe. If it’s closed you find an alternate route
July 21, 2014, 09:32:19 AM
Oh, look, more sanctions against Russia for Ukrainian shootdown of the plane. This time Cameron is raging because, according to him, Russia prevents international investigators, who are currently held in Kiev, from reaching the crash site. Now EU is prohibiting export of high-tech goods to Russia:
http://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2014/07/21/n_6328513.shtml
http://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2014/07/21/n_6328513.shtml
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