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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on June 09, 2013, 11:03:43 AM

Yeah, that's a good position because making account sales against the rules is like making scamming against the rules. It achieves precisely nothing.

Btcttalkaccounts is really annoying through.

What's even more annoying is how many accounts seem to be created specifically for sale/scamming. If you go to the newbies forum, you'll see many newbie posters with over 150 posts to their names (and, obviously, less than 4 hours).

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edit: There's a policy aimed at reducing scammers: Scammer tags, booting obvious scammer by mods. Not effective, but it exists.

That is not effective at all at reducing the first instance of a scammer. When people realize an account has being sold and the new owner has been maliciously abusing it, then..

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We need to come up with a system to stop scammers posting negative feedback.

Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on June 09, 2013, 10:35:28 AM

For example:

saudibull < mad that I called out his scam.
UniversalTrek < mad that I called out his scam.
MoneypakTrader.com < I don't need to say more on this user.
Aosana < mad after I've banned him on CoinChat for being abusive, and dozen counts of ban evasion

That is ridiculous, I don't think there is a way to stop them. But, people normally are put off by the fact they have left negative feedback. Bitcointalk users will be put off by the fact of letting other users know that threads are a scam or reporting a virus of a thread etc.

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on June 09, 2013, 11:03:43 AM

Just like how a rule against scamming would not help reduce scammers.

Not arguing the point, simply saying that both exist & should be considered when devising trust system.

edit: There's a policy aimed at reducing scammers: Scammer tags, booting obvious scammer by mods. Not effective, but it exists.

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Yeah, that's a good position because making account sales against the rules is like making scamming against the rules. It achieves precisely nothing.

Btcttalkaccounts is really annoying through.

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on June 09, 2013, 10:57:41 AM

> Could the default trust be reset to "nobody"?

Then the trust system is useless for 99.8% of forum users.

> Is there any mechanism to prevent false ratings (both abusive and positive)?

So far, I don't think there has been any false ratings removed. However, people have been removed from DefaultTrust for ratings that theymos does not agree with.

The score only takes in account trusted ratings, but still there are a lot of frivolous ratings in the "untrusted field".

> With [established] user accounts bought & sold, is there any policy in place to prevent large scale abuse?

If some established user sells their forum account, then they're not much different from a scammer IMO.

I agree, though the official line on this is that rules against account selling are unenforceable, thus there are no rules against it (in other words, it's legit).

edit: wording

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> Could the default trust be reset to "nobody"?

Then the trust system is useless for 99.8% of forum users.

> Is there any mechanism to prevent false ratings (both abusive and positive)?

So far, I don't think there has been any false ratings removed. However, people have been removed from DefaultTrust for ratings that theymos does not agree with.

The score only takes in account trusted ratings, but still there are a lot of frivolous ratings in the "untrusted field".

> With [established] user accounts bought & sold, is there any policy in place to prevent large scale abuse?

If some established user sells their forum account, then they're not much different from a scammer IMO.

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on June 09, 2013, 10:35:28 AM

That's true. I also think something needs to be done for frivolous accusations or those made by scammers. It could be hiding feedback by users with a negative rating by default.

Otherwise, it creates an environment where people are somewhat punished for calling out scammers, viruses, etc.

For example:

saudibull < mad that I called out his scam.
UniversalTrek < mad that I called out his scam.
MoneypakTrader.com < I don't need to say more on this user.
Aosana < mad after I've banned him on CoinChat for being abusive, and dozen counts of ban evasion

I'm not even sure how the trust system works.

Could the default trust be reset to "nobody"?
Is there any mechanism to prevent false ratings (both abusive and positive)?
With [established] user accounts bought & sold, is there any policy in place to prevent large scale abuse?

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on June 09, 2013, 10:46:58 AM

Quote from: Welsh on June 09, 2013, 10:45:34 AM

I don't understand the trust system. I have had two successful trades, however. they have given good comments etc. But my feedback which I have received is under 'untrusted feedback' any idea why? Did they input it wrong?

You do not trust them, so they are in untrusted feedback. As you haven't trusted anyone (trusting someone is different from leaving feedback), you are trusting DefaultTrust. DefaultTrust has not trusted those persons. Otherwise, people could make sockpuppets and easily game the system.

Ah, I see. That makes more sense. Thank you for explaining (I'm stupid).

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Quote from: Welsh on June 09, 2013, 10:45:34 AM

I don't understand the trust system. I have had two successful trades, however. they have given good comments etc. But my feedback which I have received is under 'untrusted feedback' any idea why? Did they input it wrong?

You do not trust them, so they are in untrusted feedback. As you haven't trusted anyone (trusting someone is different from leaving feedback), you are trusting DefaultTrust. DefaultTrust has not trusted those persons. Otherwise, people could make sockpuppets and easily game the system.

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I don't understand the trust system. I have had two successful trades, however. they have given good comments etc. But my feedback which I have received is under 'untrusted feedback' any idea why? Did they input it wrong?

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That's true. I also think something needs to be done for frivolous accusations or those made by scammers. It could be hiding feedback by users with a negative rating by default.

Otherwise, it creates an environment where people are somewhat punished for calling out scammers, viruses, etc.

For example:

saudibull < mad that I called out his scam.
UniversalTrek < mad that I called out his scam.
MoneypakTrader.com < I don't need to say more on this user.
Aosana < mad after I've banned him on CoinChat for being abusive, and dozen counts of ban evasion

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on May 21, 2013, 06:27:00 AM

Looks pretty cool, however I'm not confident that this will reduce the amount of scams going on. Newbies seems to trust other newbies no matter how fishy it is.

Do you get a notification when someone trusts you?

I didnt. Basically its a system that anyone can abuse based on what they 'THINK' of the person, I already have -4 without even scamming 1 guy - My fault was listing 2 loan applications and obviously trying to collect contacts to sell high end cars - this despite having 4 trades on the forum already.

I m not here to whine about it, but just to let you guys know that this system is purely based on other people's perspective of you rather than your real stats, the fact whether you are a scammer or not doesnt matter.

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Someone left me, and many others, scam rating, and now they are offering a pay service to remove it

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2409094

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Remove Negative Feedback
Have an unprompted scammer feedback? Most likely it is from our team.

We can remove negative feedback (delete it) for just $99.99.

Ugh.

Theymos said he won't remove false Marketplace feedback (unless they do 100's), but I really wish there was an exception for people like this who are super-obvious scammers.

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Quote from: Raize on June 07, 2013, 12:38:45 PM

Can the "scammer" box be turned into a "negative" rating? Bulanula didn't "scam" me, he's just refusing to return the 22.5 BTC. It sounds like I did this wrong by everyone else's assessment?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=11905

Should I just check the box anyway?

Most people here seem to think that unless people trust you it does not matter. No one will see it anyway Roll Eyes

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Can the "scammer" box be turned into a "negative" rating? Bulanula didn't "scam" me, he's just refusing to return the 22.5 BTC. It sounds like I did this wrong by everyone else's assessment?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=11905

Should I just check the box anyway?

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on June 07, 2013, 12:20:37 AM

When will the rating of the person who left the feedback be shown? People who call out scammers tend to have some made up ratings by scammers..

On OTC supa went around calling every one a scammer. But it showed his rating of like neg 500 so people ignored it.

It would be helpful to add.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=225059.40

Well we have to trust the person to see the - point but I agree with Fortress

Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on June 07, 2013, 12:20:37 AM

When will the rating of the person who left the feedback be shown? People who call out scammers tend to have some made up ratings by scammers..

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When will the rating of the person who left the feedback be shown? People who call out scammers tend to have some made up ratings by scammers..

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Quote from: nimda on June 06, 2013, 06:13:00 PM

Quote from: Chuck on June 06, 2013, 05:50:16 PM

Quote from: pekv2 on June 06, 2013, 04:15:53 PM

Imo, it's working pretty well and is very informative.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=58873

100% of the feedback is negative yet 50% didn't check the 'scammed' box. Does that mean they gave positive feedback accidentally?

Yes.

The UI needs to be fixed. Go from a checkbox, default "not scammed," to a radio button without a default, and don't accept feedback until the user makes a selection.

Oh mumbles goes to edit my post lol and done

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Quote from: Chuck on June 06, 2013, 05:50:16 PM

Quote from: pekv2 on June 06, 2013, 04:15:53 PM

Imo, it's working pretty well and is very informative.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=58873

100% of the feedback is negative yet 50% didn't check the 'scammed' box. Does that mean they gave positive feedback accidentally?

Yes.

The UI needs to be fixed. Go from a checkbox, default "not scammed," to a radio button without a default, and don't accept feedback until the user makes a selection.

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