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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on May 29, 2013, 11:07:11 AM

Quote from: bitcoinbear on May 29, 2013, 09:55:57 AM

So have the button say "Trust this person's feedback" to make it clear what the button does.

Exactly, and as an earlier poster said, this "Trust" thing is kind of unnecessary when you could just lock in the opinions of people whom did transactions with you by agreeing through the forum to exchange feedback on transactions. Press a button, agree to contract between two people, optional escrow, leave feedback, done. No need to trust anyone else's potentially political bias through negative feedback.

I think you have it backwards. the "trusted feedback" is not meant to protect against superfluous negative feedback, it protects against sock-puppet positive feedback gaming the system. I can make a bunch of accounts and give myself rave reviews, but those would all show up as "untrusted feedback" since you have no reason to trust any of those accounts, and thus you would still want to be wary of me.

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Quote from: bitcoinbear on May 29, 2013, 09:55:57 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on May 29, 2013, 08:57:42 AM

Quote from: bitcoinbear on May 29, 2013, 08:18:12 AM

Quote from: tysat on May 28, 2013, 07:51:47 PM

Quote from: FCTaiChi on May 28, 2013, 03:56:34 PM

I've been typing everyone in, I don't think there is a button for it yet.

theymos, should be fairly simple to have something like this... right? I'd say have it on their trust page, so it's easy for people to add, but not easily able to add by accident.

Yeah, I went to the trust page expecting there to be some sort of button "Trust this person", it took me a few times confusedly going back to people's trust pages and the trust setting page to finally figure out I could edit the list by typing in the box.

A "Trust" button should mean that you trust the person as far as giving them feedback, not that you want to simply display whom they trust for feedback. This "Trust" title is so misleading.

So have the button say "Trust this person's feedback" to make it clear what the button does.

Exactly, and as an earlier poster said, this "Trust" thing is kind of unnecessary when you could just lock in the opinions of people whom did transactions with you by agreeing through the forum to exchange feedback on transactions. Press a button, agree to contract between two people, optional escrow, leave feedback, done. No need to trust anyone else's potentially political bias through negative feedback.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on May 29, 2013, 08:57:42 AM

Quote from: bitcoinbear on May 29, 2013, 08:18:12 AM

Quote from: tysat on May 28, 2013, 07:51:47 PM

Quote from: FCTaiChi on May 28, 2013, 03:56:34 PM

I've been typing everyone in, I don't think there is a button for it yet.

theymos, should be fairly simple to have something like this... right? I'd say have it on their trust page, so it's easy for people to add, but not easily able to add by accident.

Yeah, I went to the trust page expecting there to be some sort of button "Trust this person", it took me a few times confusedly going back to people's trust pages and the trust setting page to finally figure out I could edit the list by typing in the box.

A "Trust" button should mean that you trust the person as far as giving them feedback, not that you want to simply display whom they trust for feedback. This "Trust" title is so misleading.

So have the button say "Trust this person's feedback" to make it clear what the button does.

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Quote from: bitcoinbear on May 29, 2013, 08:18:12 AM

Quote from: tysat on May 28, 2013, 07:51:47 PM

Quote from: FCTaiChi on May 28, 2013, 03:56:34 PM

I've been typing everyone in, I don't think there is a button for it yet.

theymos, should be fairly simple to have something like this... right? I'd say have it on their trust page, so it's easy for people to add, but not easily able to add by accident.

Yeah, I went to the trust page expecting there to be some sort of button "Trust this person", it took me a few times confusedly going back to people's trust pages and the trust setting page to finally figure out I could edit the list by typing in the box.

A "Trust" button should mean that you trust the person as far as giving them feedback, not that you want to simply display whom they trust for feedback. This "Trust" title is so misleading.

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Quote from: tysat on May 28, 2013, 07:51:47 PM

Quote from: FCTaiChi on May 28, 2013, 03:56:34 PM

I've been typing everyone in, I don't think there is a button for it yet.

theymos, should be fairly simple to have something like this... right? I'd say have it on their trust page, so it's easy for people to add, but not easily able to add by accident.

Yeah, I went to the trust page expecting there to be some sort of button "Trust this person", it took me a few times confusedly going back to people's trust pages and the trust setting page to finally figure out I could edit the list by typing in the box.

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Quote from: FCTaiChi on May 28, 2013, 03:56:34 PM

I've been typing everyone in, I don't think there is a button for it yet.

theymos, should be fairly simple to have something like this... right? I'd say have it on their trust page, so it's easy for people to add, but not easily able to add by accident.

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I've been typing everyone in, I don't think there is a button for it yet.

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Hi, I am trying to figure out how this trust works, is there a simple way to add people to your trust list, or do you have to type each one in the box in the "trust settings" page?

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Quote from: sublime5447 on May 28, 2013, 02:30:25 PM

Quote from: tysat on May 28, 2013, 06:50:05 AM

Quote from: sublime5447 on May 27, 2013, 11:15:36 PM

This is exactly what the forum needed thank you theymos finally the forum gets a feedback score!!!
Hopefully you can only rate members you agree to trade with? if not i will donate to get the feature added.

You can rate anyone, read through the thread and all will be explained.

God damn.... BOO HISS. f me in the a, that sucks.. Theymos it is simple make a trade button both people enter terms both hit accept hitting accept is a binding agreement.. then you can rate the trade. f!@# how hard is that.

This. Transaction related feedback is the only feedback anyone should care about imo, otherwise it becomes a political tool and popularity contest, or completely spammable like bitcoin-otc.

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Quote from: tysat on May 28, 2013, 06:50:05 AM

Quote from: sublime5447 on May 27, 2013, 11:15:36 PM

This is exactly what the forum needed thank you theymos finally the forum gets a feedback score!!!
Hopefully you can only rate members you agree to trade with? if not i will donate to get the feature added.

You can rate anyone, read through the thread and all will be explained.

God damn.... BOO HISS. f me in the a, that sucks.. Theymos it is simple make a trade button both people enter terms both hit accept hitting accept is a binding agreement.. then you can rate the trade. f!@# how hard is that.

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Quote from: sublime5447 on May 27, 2013, 11:15:36 PM

This is exactly what the forum needed thank you theymos finally the forum gets a feedback score!!!
Hopefully you can only rate members you agree to trade with? if not i will donate to get the feature added.

You can rate anyone, read through the thread and all will be explained.

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This is exactly what the forum needed thank you theymos finally the forum gets a feedback score!!!
Hopefully you can only rate members you agree to trade with? if not i will donate to get the feature added.

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I'm excited to see this system and think it's a great start. Thought the Default Trust list can be removed from one's own profile I do not think it should be included automatically. I think people who want to participate in this system should start with zero trusted members in their list and explicitly opt-in by manually defining those they trust. That would also force them to go and review the depth-of-trust setting.

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I think the 'scammed' checkbox needs to be renamed to 'negative feedback' or something similar. I just looked at a few feedback profiles, and see some people are leaving negative feedback for others, but not checking the scam box... which as I understand it, is the same as positive feedback(?)

I wasn't clear on this either, at first. Someone left me false negative feedback, so I wrote feedback for him, but since he didn't scam me, I didn't check the box, and I think it ended up helping him! (I just deleted it and re-did it with the scam checkbox, and now it correctly shows up as red)

Just a thought...

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Learning the troll avoidance button :)

As long as there's no attempt at trust pumping a user should work fine

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Quote from: nimda on May 25, 2013, 11:12:14 AM

"By order of our esteemed leader?"

lol, yes. Very odd. Honest at least.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on May 25, 2013, 08:22:10 AM

It doesn't become meaningless, it just turns from a blank slate to trusting the groupthink basically. At that point, it's just about pruning inappropriate feedback. You could trust *others* to prune it for you I guess and that would make much more sense for a "trust list" if you ask me. It'd basically be saying "I trust Theymos to prune this list of bullshit claims by scammer sockpuppets".

To me, being able to hear every single claim of scam or whatnot is better than potentially missing out on it just because I didn't know whose name to enter into my trust list to get access to that warning.

Nothing has been removed, you won't miss out on anything, unless you were hoping for a magic button that would tell you who's a scammer and who isn't. Scam accusations still exists for people to air their grievances. People will still post what a scam x is in any thread that doesn't pass the smell test, even if it does. Now people can also leave feedback for others. You can/will see this feedback regardless of trust (it's even sorted and categorized for you). Additionally, if you trust the person's opinion who left that feedback, you can add them to your trust list and the trust levels will be calculated for you based on that.

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Quote from: FCTaiChi on May 25, 2013, 10:20:04 AM

Been watching this for a few days, it looks as though it's more of a way to track groups than individuals. It really looks as if that person, all on their own, gained merit from the community, whereas it's just a circle... umm, circular reciprocation. Not even that though, it's the leader of the organization telling everyone to hit each others trust button.

"By order of our esteemed leader?"

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However I did notice that though some groups that all gave each other feedback were at 200+ (untrusted) a few days ago have gone way down, so maybe that's the algorithm at work fixing this. Then again they could just hit the button every few days... hopefully people won't make apps to make it easier, at least this way they'll get tired of trusting their whole group every few days.

You shouldn't be trusting anyone who trusts someone who trusts people who game the system...

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Been watching this for a few days, it looks as though it's more of a way to track groups than individuals. It really looks as if that person, all on their own, gained merit from the community, whereas it's just a circle... umm, circular reciprocation. Not even that though, it's the leader of the organization telling everyone to hit each others trust button.

However I did notice that though some groups that all gave each other feedback were at 200+ (untrusted) a few days ago have gone way down, so maybe that's the algorithm at work fixing this. Then again they could just hit the button every few days... hopefully people won't make apps to make it easier, at least this way they'll get tired of trusting their whole group every few days.

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Quote from: nimda on May 25, 2013, 09:17:32 AM

Theymos, in the interest of simplicity, can you give the formulas for each of the 4 numbers?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2257167

Explains some of it, but not the exact formulas for all of the numbers.

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