Topic: Martin Armstrong Discussion - page 310. (Read 647196 times)

Nation states are a foolish idea anyway, so I dont see anything wrong with a world government.

I also think that depopulation is inevitable weather the elite like it or not. Robots will come sooner or later, and people will lose their jobs massively and starve.

It is a cruel future but there is no alternative really, and we cannot stop it, because every path leads to the same outcome.

I`m not sure at this point it's reversible, so we will have to prepare, and warn our friends and family, because you cant save everyone but alteast save the people you care about.

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CoinCube just wrote:
"Bankrupt countries and their handout dependent populations will line up to eagerly surrender national sovereignty as this will be the only means to pay the bills. Greece is the future model for most of the indebted world."
That is an interesting idea, I had not seen that before, and it is worth thinking about.  It makes a lot of sense, that FSA populations would get in line to get food...

I definitely am more suspicious of a consolidating NWO and its benevolence.  I do not see how that is predictable.  One thing I have learned in my 59 years is that it is very hard to predict the future...

Wealth will increasingly seek to hide by moving into tax havens in other countries. It will also be increasingly hunted. Pressure applied in the name of shutting down tax havens will be one more tool to drive political consolidation and weaken the nation state. Those running from the tax man will increasingly be identified, caught and punished. Options for legal evasion ... will be shut down or restricted to an even narrower elite.

Tax havens that survive will likely be rare and limited to select jurisdictions where citizenship is hard to obtain. These areas are likely to be funded by income taxes (there will likely be no escape for wage earners anywhere)
In these havens citizens will likely be exempt from inheritance, capital gains, and wealth taxes. This will allow the billionaire class to safely run their interests from afar.

The lesser wealthy will be increasingly consumed via taxation in their home nations. The coming wave of socialism and public anger will drive most of them back into the ranks of government dependents. This will serve the purpose of sating public rage, destroying potential local opposition, and further undermining the economics of nation states thus increasing the dependence on debt that will soon be issued by bodies and governed by laws under the jurisdiction of those same tax havens.

Rather than spontaneous collapse. I believe the proper model is that of controlled demolition.

You forget the evolution of consciousness dudes! Try google and watch some videos on the topic for a few days. You give too much credit to fear, which is only mind control by the guys whom you don't want to lead your life!

NWO's end game: depopulation

Honestly, I have no idea. I admire your intellect and your ability to grasp that difficult subject of human destiny, but I was mainly wondering about shorter term events. I am not 20, not even 30, not even 40 ... fucking hell I am not listing the rest ... therefore I was thinking what's going to happen until the year 2032 turning point that Armstrong defined. Around that time the automation, robotics and IoT adoption will make the 50% of currently known jobs obsolete already. The governments will have to deal with that transition and large amount of unemployed workforce. I know, I know, the knowledge economy will create new opportunities in other areas, but still, there will be a radical shift in the society terms of employment opportunities as well as about employability of the workforce (many, lot more than today simply won't be employable at all). The industrial revolution 200 years ago caused quite a lot issues, but this will be a significantly bigger shift.

CoinCube,
Nobody likes the bankers' wars, it is true; however, your solution to "Just initiate the one-world slavery system (Communism) and it will all go away" is exactly the perspective that is desired by those who seek to terminate over 90% of the human life on this planet--through violence! By no means is the NWO benevolent towards human life. You have been hoodwinked!

You are right; fascism is a far more probable result of the NWO than decentralized government; "if voting changed anything, they would make it illegal".

The role of the social contract is to maximize individual freedom to build wealth, prosperity and happiness via cooperation while minimizing individual freedom to prosper from coercion, violence and defection.

With this framework in mind will a transition to a one world government represent an improvement. I believe the answer to this question is yes. The transition from nation states to a world government contains the potential finally eliminate large scale tribe on tribe and nation on nation war and violence. The importance of such an achievement cannot be overstated.

A diffuse decentralized world government ... would be of course be superior to a centralized one. However, I doubt we can smoothly transition to such a decentralized system from our current state. We lack both the technology and more importantly the education to make it work. Like our primitive forefathers forced to settle for monarchy as an incremental improvement over despotism a loose centralized world government is an incremental improvement a stepping stone to something better.

hum i think you left out corporations. imho they are to replace the obsolete governments at some point.

big fat corporations, ruling over the new world order.

consumerism, eugenism, transhumanism et al. y know...

Then a biological mutation is necessary, to escape the sheeple (although the elite wants to control human evolution too). The odds are really stacked against us.

Maybe humanity has no other destiny but to be wiped out . It was nature's failed experiment, and a more advanced species will come along that will use their instincts less and their brains more.

Justification for New World Order: Part 1, 2, 3, 4

I am not sure what make you think that. The history of mankind - as Armstrong points it out frequently - indicates the very opposite of such decentralization. There are attempts from time to time to fix the society, but then we go back to the very same cycle.

The issue with colonizing other planets IMHO is that the resources which need for the colonization controlled by those from whom you want to escape. I assume the colonization of other planets will be the same as the colonization of continents was: implementing the very same system a bit farther.

I am not sure what make you think that. The history of mankind - as Armstrong points it out frequently - indicates the very opposite of such decentralization. There are attempts from time to time to fix the society, but then we go back to the very same cycle.

The issue with colonizing other planets IMHO is that the resources which need for the colonization controlled by those from whom you want to escape. I assume the colonization of other planets will be the same as the colonization of continents was: implementing the very same system a bit farther.

The evolution of the social contract appears to be a progressive climb to higher potential energy systems with increased degrees of freedom. The state of nature begat tribalism. Tribalism grew into despotism. Despotism advanced into monarchy. Monarchies were replaced by republics. I suspect that in the future republics will be consumed by world government, world government will evolve into decentralized government, and decentralized government will finally mature into a shared consensus among individuals with limited or no government.

Each iteration has a common theme for each advance increases the number of individuals able to engage in cooperative activity while lowering the number of individuals able to defect. To borrow from the links in the opening post each iteration increases the amount of entropy the system can sustainably support.

My understanding of entropy and the expanding universe is, that eventually all things will decentralize themselves.

Because the default state of existence is disorder, and order is itself just an anomaly. Now you could create a somewhat more organized decentralized system but that will last too temporarly.

The nature of centralized power (governments, monarchies, dictators,etc) is just an anomaly, a temporary one, it may last 4000 years of 40,000 years but eventually it will dissapear.


I personally think either technology itself will reorganize society, or humanity will have to colonize other planets to even the playing field.

A possible encounter with aliens could also reorganize society.


Or it can just be the collapse of the monetary system. All these events can put a shockwave in social structures and social interactions and can change society.

Technology.

I`m sure powerful  blacksmith maffias existed in the middle ages that controlled and terrorized the whole economies of towns. Where are they now?

Banks have only temporary power in this game, and once better technology comes out, they either adapt or perish. Bitcoin is one of them.

Haha I first read that the cryptocurrency movement is getting bigger and will simply use all available technologies and tools to destroy [the government] or to reduce it to a niche and insignificant domain.

Perhaps it is a matter of perception how you feel the world is heading. I have never been more convinced of the victory of the liberty than today.

The use of the word simply was especially nice.

Governments and banks are happy to lend pretend-money. I don't think they would like the idea of actually generating capital and lending their own capital.