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December 03, 2015, 09:01:41 PM
If peer review supports the soundness of RingCT cryptography interest could expand exponentially. There are more potential uses than I can count and this is the most promising privacy technology I have seen so far. The inability to verify the number of coins in circulation with ZeroCoin scares me.  At least if something goes wrong with the money supply system with RingCT we would be able to tell.

I am quite confident that blockchain privacy is not a huge topic anymore. Of course RingCT may draw some extra attention to Monero. However, in my opinion that still would not be relevant.

The fintech is finally converging on the markets and real business issues. However, real business that has money doesn't care about privacy, it's simply of out scope. There is no huge ass real world problem in it that could be backed by corporate money that will stimulate adoption and attention.

This still maybe a great update and it serves privacy goals well. However, privacy protection issue is still a small niche, not a mass phenomenon.

Disagree. Real business and corporate money will struggle greatly with transparent blockchains. They don't have the same exact privacy goals as individuals and freedom advocates, but they have their own. In particular, not wanting to be spied on by competitors nor front run in markets. That's why, for example, CT is critically important even in Blockstream's closed blockchain Liquid.

Privacy from the NSA, when the NSA means the largest globalist corporations (politically connected with the global police state) have asymmetric access to secrets?

Making anonymity that is immune to the global police state is an immense challenge especially for businesses, because they can't just go hop on another anonymous WiFi connection every time they want to interact with the block chain (and that won't even help you individually with a low scale coin like Monero, because you are the only person hopping on anonymous WiFi in your geographical area so your transactions can still be correlated!). Making an IP address mixnet that is immune to a party which can see all traffic over the internet is an extremely challenging if not implausible statistically. I have been thinking deeply for a long time about the sort of attacks that are possible on mixnets and nothing (that I've analyzed) seems to entirely immune.

A generative essence realization is there is no possible way to obfuscate your IP address with an autonomous cryptographic protocol (such as RIngCT or Cryptonote). The only way to obfuscate IP addresses is with an interactive mixnet, which then either incurs a simultaneity requirement or the mixnet must generalize to many forms of internet traffic so a sufficient mix set always available. But especially generalized mixnets suffer from Sybil attacks because of the cost of scaling relaying nodes scales with traffic and DDoS. As smooth knows from our past private discussions (afair last year), my only idea on how to attack the Sybil problem of Tor and I2P is to pay the nodes you are want to relay through for an onion routing. But this comes with another set of holistic issues. So far, I haven't been able to design the system that is immune to the NSA. I am still working on this problem, but have deprioritized it, because to my consternation it is such an intractable quagmire (a.k.a. clusterfuck).

So let's say we only want privacy against other smaller corporations that don't have special access to NSA analysis. Yet now we must assume the NSA can't be hacked or individual employees bribed. And the NSA is not the only national security agency doing this. We have at least the 5 Eyes nations plus Russia and China with sophisticated, well funded national security agencies.

Can you know understand better why Martin Armstrong (and I reguritated) that a Dark Age is possible?

The world is in a pickle. I am doing my best to try to find a way out. I am now thinking perhaps anonymity is not the ticket (yet continuing to develop and consider it, as an option) and instead massive volume of micro-transactions might be more liberating. In short, to pursue my Knowledge Age theory of breaking the Theory of the Firm down to individualized production. In short, death the corporation as being too slow to even effectively use the data it is accumulating. If you read my 2010 thesis linked from the OP of the Economic Devastation thread (in the Economics forum), you can gain insight into what I am referring to where I explained that top-down access to information is not knowledge creation. Knowledge creation is accretive, spontaneous, and highly individualized.

Paradigm shift. I am apparently good at creating those, not so much at the intricate patterns of chess (too many intricacies are burdensome to the degrees-of-freedom to see over the forest). In short, I prefer deforestation paradigms.
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December 03, 2015, 02:21:30 PM
Any idea why Canadian REI is going through the roof again? another 30-40% increase this last year and 15% last month alone... Part of the decision to sell my home this past month was his strong claim that REI had peaked and a super bubble was to be popped, makes so much sense but instead we have the makings of a new bubble in the market fueled by low rates and affordable mortgages at these rates. By my calculation prices could double here before we get back to the levels we were in 2008 assuming rates stay put. So instead of peaking in october I'm seeing a new super bubble forming and even seasonal bearish trends in REI hasn't had the desired affect in slowing the market down.

Chinese/Indian money still pouring in, although Chinese black markets are being shutdown so I'm not sure what's fueling it so much other than affordability. Now I'm thinking of building another home to take advantage of the bubble relatively soon, but I want to know Armstrong's thoughts since he timed it to peak although I'm seeing the opposite.

asset price inflation, REI is being monetised because fiat savings are being debased by State monetary meddling.

How has that changed since 2008.. what is lighting a fire under ppl's asses right now.
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Eadem mutata resurgo
December 03, 2015, 02:24:59 AM


What are the implications of carbon tax if it passes? especially toward BTC

increased tax evasion ... what a ridiculous thing to tax, a base element .. what next a hydrogen tax? or how about an argon tax?
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December 03, 2015, 02:21:17 AM


What are the implications of carbon tax if it passes? especially toward BTC
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Eadem mutata resurgo
December 02, 2015, 06:54:26 PM
Any idea why Canadian REI is going through the roof again? another 30-40% increase this last year and 15% last month alone... Part of the decision to sell my home this past month was his strong claim that REI had peaked and a super bubble was to be popped, makes so much sense but instead we have the makings of a new bubble in the market fueled by low rates and affordable mortgages at these rates. By my calculation prices could double here before we get back to the levels we were in 2008 assuming rates stay put. So instead of peaking in october I'm seeing a new super bubble forming and even seasonal bearish trends in REI hasn't had the desired affect in slowing the market down.

Chinese/Indian money still pouring in, although Chinese black markets are being shutdown so I'm not sure what's fueling it so much other than affordability. Now I'm thinking of building another home to take advantage of the bubble relatively soon, but I want to know Armstrong's thoughts since he timed it to peak although I'm seeing the opposite.

asset price inflation, REI is being monetised because fiat savings are being debased by State monetary meddling.
legendary
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December 02, 2015, 05:04:13 PM
Any idea why Canadian REI is going through the roof again? another 30-40% increase this last year and 15% last month alone... Part of the decision to sell my home this past month was his strong claim that REI had peaked and a super bubble was to be popped, makes so much sense but instead we have the makings of a new bubble in the market fueled by low rates and affordable mortgages at these rates. By my calculation prices could double here before we get back to the levels we were in 2008 assuming rates stay put. So instead of peaking in october I'm seeing a new super bubble forming and even seasonal bearish trends in REI hasn't had the desired affect in slowing the market down.

Chinese/Indian money still pouring in, although Chinese black markets are being shutdown so I'm not sure what's fueling it so much other than affordability. Now I'm thinking of building another home to take advantage of the bubble relatively soon, but I want to know Armstrong's thoughts since he timed it to peak although I'm seeing the opposite.
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November 28, 2015, 07:58:20 PM
Russia, as Turkey's 2nd biggest trading partner, will implement sanctions on employing Turkish workers, effective Jan 1. ZH estimates this could lead to 90k job losses. Perhaps relatively small, but with an already troubled economy (see Armstrongs' post on subject) and possible further repercussions, could this be a tipping point, with Turkey being the first govt domino to fall?
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November 27, 2015, 02:36:53 AM
Wait guys whats the correlation of stocks going down and bitcoin going up, no one can explain why it went down but china.

 Probably nothing but possible China happening Anonymous (ID: 7yYDr4qC)  11/27/15(Fri)16:13:11 No.56852198▶>>56852473 >>56852756
https://www.google.com/finance?cid=7521596
Down -4.30%
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November 24, 2015, 06:37:30 PM
THe market is the market is the market.. the most efficient and best money will win sooner or later. Suppression can only prolong the inevitable wether it be in our lifetimes or the next, ideal money will always win. Just so happens that it wasnt possible before and it is now because we have the technology to get there. That's all it is the realization of the possibility to start the wheel which can't stop rolling.

Essentially I agree. I believe the society in long term is getting better, and I agree that decentralized digital currency will eventually overtake conventional money. What I am saying by agreeing with Armstrong is that in short term governments and law enforcements will stop the spreading of the digital currency idea by criminalizing it. I am not sure for how long TPTB can stop the spreading of this idea, perhaps 5, perhaps 10, perhaps 20 years, but they surely will keep the vast majority of population (99.9%) away from decentralized digital currency by making it illegal. As it will be illegal, 99.9% of the society simply won't touch digital currency. That's how society functions. We crypto currency enthusiasts or at least some of us will resist and still using it, so the concept and the technology will survive and then the next generation or the following will finally implement it.

As Armstrong points out, the ruling class and government will be desperate for collecting more tax money. To collect more tax and to expose more power on the society they will try to do everything. Eventually they will fail, but the desperation for the tax money and power will take for a while.  

fuck the market, the game is rigged.

bitcoin is so much more than just a "currency".

it's digital gold.

in vires numeris bitches.

All manipulated markets eventually fail, the ones that don't stand a longer chance of survival
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November 24, 2015, 06:03:09 PM
THe market is the market is the market.. the most efficient and best money will win sooner or later. Suppression can only prolong the inevitable wether it be in our lifetimes or the next, ideal money will always win. Just so happens that it wasnt possible before and it is now because we have the technology to get there. That's all it is the realization of the possibility to start the wheel which can't stop rolling.

Essentially I agree. I believe the society in long term is getting better, and I agree that decentralized digital currency will eventually overtake conventional money. What I am saying by agreeing with Armstrong is that in short term governments and law enforcements will stop the spreading of the digital currency idea by criminalizing it. I am not sure for how long TPTB can stop the spreading of this idea, perhaps 5, perhaps 10, perhaps 20 years, but they surely will keep the vast majority of population (99.9%) away from decentralized digital currency by making it illegal. As it will be illegal, 99.9% of the society simply won't touch digital currency. That's how society functions. We crypto currency enthusiasts or at least some of us will resist and still using it, so the concept and the technology will survive and then the next generation or the following will finally implement it.

As Armstrong points out, the ruling class and government will be desperate for collecting more tax money. To collect more tax and to expose more power on the society they will try to do everything. Eventually they will fail, but the desperation for the tax money and power will take for a while.  

fuck the market, the game is rigged.

bitcoin is so much more than just a "currency".

it's digital gold.

in vires numeris bitches.
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November 24, 2015, 05:42:56 PM
THe market is the market is the market.. the most efficient and best money will win sooner or later. Suppression can only prolong the inevitable wether it be in our lifetimes or the next, ideal money will always win. Just so happens that it wasnt possible before and it is now because we have the technology to get there. That's all it is the realization of the possibility to start the wheel which can't stop rolling.

Essentially I agree. I believe the society in long term is getting better, and I agree that decentralized digital currency will eventually overtake conventional money. What I am saying by agreeing with Armstrong is that in short term governments and law enforcements will stop the spreading of the digital currency idea by criminalizing it. I am not sure for how long TPTB can stop the spreading of this idea, perhaps 5, perhaps 10, perhaps 20 years, but they surely will keep the vast majority of population (99.9%) away from decentralized digital currency by making it illegal. As it will be illegal, 99.9% of the society simply won't touch digital currency. That's how society functions. We crypto currency enthusiasts or at least some of us will resist and still using it, so the concept and the technology will survive and then the next generation or the following will finally implement it.

As Armstrong points out, the ruling class and government will be desperate for collecting more tax money. To collect more tax and to expose more power on the society they will try to do everything. Eventually they will fail, but the desperation for the tax money and power will take for a while. 
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November 24, 2015, 04:55:15 PM
THe market is the market is the market.. the most efficient and best money will win sooner or later. Suppression can only prolong the inevitable wether it be in our lifetimes or the next, ideal money will always win. Just so happens that it wasnt possible before and it is now because we have the technology to get there. That's all it is the realization of the possibility to start the wheel which can't stop rolling.
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November 24, 2015, 04:26:50 PM
Armstrong argue that it will be simply criminal act to use such systems, and therefore people - the current few hundred thousands BTC users - just stop using it.

yeah, because prohibition works. You can bring that to the bank.

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November 24, 2015, 01:34:18 PM
Here we go.

Armstrong pointed out several times in the past that governments simply won't allow using digital currencies. Armstrong argued that once digital currencies start interrupting the tax collection system then governments will act. It seems the governments indeed start acting.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/39715

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/19/us-france-shoooting-eu-terrorism-funding-idUSKCN0T81BW20151119#O5TVOC4VyQ3B2QFj.97




Meh, whatever, it is an "Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be Above the Law".

Cheap coinz incoming tho Smiley

All western parliaments will vote yes for implementing laws and legislations to criminalize digital currencies.  As the Skycoin developer (see his posts in the Skycoin thread, he sounds and intellectually at sort of the same level like the one and only TPTB btw) and of course Armstrong argue that it will be simply criminal act to use such systems, and therefore people - the current few hundred thousands BTC users - just stop using it.


it is not about "using" bitcoin for visa transactions and IoT BS, but rather about saving/hedging/hiding from TPTB, its financial crisis and the upcoming bails in.

i use bitcoin just because i control my private keys. and imho the rest is irrelevant.

I am not sure how the "rest", i.e. that governments simply criminalize digital currencies is irrelevant.
Armstrong is a wise man. He understands that once laws state that using Bitcoin is illegal and law enforcements start moving against Bitcoin then that will be the end of BTC. Unfortunately, TPTB can make anything illegal and they are so desperate that they will be doing everything to keep the status quo.


Heh if anything, the govs and their illegalizing everything generally makes the forbidden asset worth moar.. Wink
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November 24, 2015, 12:49:20 PM
Here we go.

Armstrong pointed out several times in the past that governments simply won't allow using digital currencies. Armstrong argued that once digital currencies start interrupting the tax collection system then governments will act. It seems the governments indeed start acting.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/39715

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/19/us-france-shoooting-eu-terrorism-funding-idUSKCN0T81BW20151119#O5TVOC4VyQ3B2QFj.97



Governments may not like it (right now) or act like it, but crypto in it's current form is still a banker's wet dream. There are plenty of finTech startups leveraging blockchain or crypto tech. One even headed by Blythe Masters. Banks are not scared of Bitcoin (even a UK Treasury study noted it was an extremely low money laundering/crime risk). The banks will help government claw their pounds of flesh from the populace with their own brand of crytpo.

There are differences between using blockchain technology and liking Bitcoin. Yes, banks recognize how genius Satoshi's innovation the blockchain is, yes the banks are implementing systems based on the blockchain technology and yes, no doubt the blockchain technology will be used by businesses. However, they must comply with laws and regulations - law enforcements will crackdown non compliant systems.

The banks will enable centralization on the blockchain by providing law enforcements with interfaces and access to the audit records, in fact to all payment records. Such compliance will include providing access to cryptography primitives, including having a centralized master key or any other form to decrypt the communication (see the latest UK legislation).  Barclays, RBS, HSBC etc will simply comply - no other way they can do business.
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November 24, 2015, 12:40:59 PM
Here we go.

Armstrong pointed out several times in the past that governments simply won't allow using digital currencies. Armstrong argued that once digital currencies start interrupting the tax collection system then governments will act. It seems the governments indeed start acting.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/39715

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/19/us-france-shoooting-eu-terrorism-funding-idUSKCN0T81BW20151119#O5TVOC4VyQ3B2QFj.97




Meh, whatever, it is an "Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be Above the Law".

Cheap coinz incoming tho Smiley

All western parliaments will vote yes for implementing laws and legislations to criminalize digital currencies.  As the Skycoin developer (see his posts in the Skycoin thread, he sounds and intellectually at sort of the same level like the one and only TPTB btw) and of course Armstrong argue that it will be simply criminal act to use such systems, and therefore people - the current few hundred thousands BTC users - just stop using it.


it is not about "using" bitcoin for visa transactions and IoT BS, but rather about saving/hedging/hiding from TPTB, its financial crisis and the upcoming bails in.

i use bitcoin just because i control my private keys. and imho the rest is irrelevant.

I am not sure how the "rest", i.e. that governments simply criminalize digital currencies is irrelevant.
Armstrong is a wise man. He understands that once laws state that using Bitcoin is illegal and law enforcements start moving against Bitcoin then that will be the end of BTC. Unfortunately, TPTB can make anything illegal and they are so desperate that they will be doing everything to keep the status quo.
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November 24, 2015, 12:38:06 PM
Here we go.

Armstrong pointed out several times in the past that governments simply won't allow using digital currencies. Armstrong argued that once digital currencies start interrupting the tax collection system then governments will act. It seems the governments indeed start acting.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/39715

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/19/us-france-shoooting-eu-terrorism-funding-idUSKCN0T81BW20151119#O5TVOC4VyQ3B2QFj.97



Governments may not like it (right now) or act like it, but crypto in it's current form is still a banker's wet dream. There are plenty of finTech startups leveraging blockchain or crypto tech. One even headed by Blythe Masters. Banks are not scared of Bitcoin (even a UK Treasury study noted it was an extremely low money laundering/crime risk). The banks will help government claw their pounds of flesh from the populace with their own brand of crytpo.
legendary
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November 24, 2015, 12:26:10 PM
Here we go.

Armstrong pointed out several times in the past that governments simply won't allow using digital currencies. Armstrong argued that once digital currencies start interrupting the tax collection system then governments will act. It seems the governments indeed start acting.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/39715

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/19/us-france-shoooting-eu-terrorism-funding-idUSKCN0T81BW20151119#O5TVOC4VyQ3B2QFj.97




Meh, whatever, it is an "Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be Above the Law".

Cheap coinz incoming tho Smiley

All western parliaments will vote yes for implementing laws and legislations to criminalize digital currencies.  As the Skycoin developer (see his posts in the Skycoin thread, he sounds and intellectually at sort of the same level like the one and only TPTB btw) and of course Armstrong argue that it will be simply criminal act to use such systems, and therefore people - the current few hundred thousands BTC users - just stop using it.


it is not about "using" bitcoin for visa transactions and IoT BS, but rather about saving/hedging/hiding from TPTB, its financial crisis and the upcoming bails in.

i use bitcoin just because i control my private keys. and imho the rest is irrelevant.
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November 24, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
Here we go.

Armstrong pointed out several times in the past that governments simply won't allow using digital currencies. Armstrong argued that once digital currencies start interrupting the tax collection system then governments will act. It seems the governments indeed start acting.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/39715

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/19/us-france-shoooting-eu-terrorism-funding-idUSKCN0T81BW20151119#O5TVOC4VyQ3B2QFj.97




Meh, whatever, it is an "Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be Above the Law".

Cheap coinz incoming tho Smiley

All western parliaments will vote yes for implementing laws and legislations to criminalize digital currencies.  As the Skycoin developer (see his posts in the Skycoin thread, he sounds and intellectually at sort of the same level like the one and only TPTB btw) and of course Armstrong argue that it will be simply criminal act to use such systems, and therefore people - the current few hundred thousands BTC users - just stop using it.

EDIT:
The crackdown is not a big deal actually. After 5 years of endless and intense media hype, Economists, Times, etc. cover pages and hundreds of million dollars venture capitalist investment into the BTC ecosystem, there are no more than few hundred thousands active Bitcoin users. A well managed and marketed social media, never mind adult video site could attract several million users within a less shorter period.
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