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legendary
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September 01, 2015, 12:16:31 PM
Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

What? Again?!

I don't think it will be successful this time. Svoboda only has around 10% of the popular support and the general public is tired of war. And more importantly, Victoria Nuland will not be handing out $5 billion to topple the government this time. Poroshenko might be impotent, but the Americans need him as the Ukrainian president until they plunder all the national wealth.
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August 31, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

What? Again?!

Without getting into details of who stared what, it seems another Maidan started in Kiev...

http://tass.ru/en/world/817660

...and EU is "worried":

http://tass.ru/en/world/817718

Feels like having a deja-vu...

Thank you for this information.
legendary
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August 31, 2015, 02:17:29 PM
Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

What? Again?!

Without getting into details of who started what, it seems another Maidan started in Kiev...

http://tass.ru/en/world/817660

...and EU is "worried":

http://tass.ru/en/world/817718

Feels like having a deja-vu...
legendary
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August 30, 2015, 02:30:22 PM
Always remember to check sources, as Lada Ray demonstrates in the following article:

Forbes Loses Credibility After Publishing Hoax About Fake Russian Losses in Ukraine
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/08/28/forbes-loses-credibility-after-publishing-hoax-about-fake-russian-losses-in-ukraine/comment-page-1/#comment-7225

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The fact that Forbes is not credible, along with all of American MSM, isn’t news. This is confirmed by the latest scandal, when Forbes and several other major US publications republished a hoax about supposedly leaked Russian losses numbering thousands. This info was quickly tweeted and retweeted by US officials and ‘experts,’ such as former US ambassador to Russia Michael McFall and current US ambassador to the OSCE Daniel Baer.

A Russian website with a seemingly big name “Business Life” published an article in which they discussed the pay and benefits of the Russian military. Somehow, at the end of this innocent article appeared ‘data about the real losses of the Russian military in Ukraine,’ supposedly leaked to the publication. Ukrainian MSM, and after them Forbes and other US publications, jumped on it without checking sources.

RT did its own investigation. They found no phone numbers for the Business Life site; the address provided by Google was false. They finally got in touch by email with someone who called himself a representative. This person emailed them back that the article in question was about the compensation in the Russian military, published on their site since February 2015. The article in question wasn’t edited since publication. Two days ago they started getting emails from readers, asking to explain the info in the end of the article. Upon investigation, they discovered that the article was hacked and unauthorized hoax about fake Russian losses in Ukraine was implanted. They took down the fake and traced the hackers’ IP address to Ukraine.

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legendary
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August 30, 2015, 02:06:39 PM
Apparently, oligarch and criminal Kolomoiskij, who got shelter in the USA, appropriated 1.8 billion dollars from the IMF transfer, which was to hold the Ukrainian economy afloat, and that money were traced to his account in Cyprus.

A somewhat legible English article:
http://news.rin.ru/eng/news///126850/

The original article in German:
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2015/08/28/ukrainischer-oligarch-bereichert-sich-an-iwf-krediten/
legendary
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August 25, 2015, 05:17:52 AM
Important Breaking News and Latest Intel from Ukraine!
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/08/24/important-breaking-news-and-latest-intel-from-ukraine/

The article is very long and detailed in its analysis. I give some short fragments below:

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Intel 1

Donetsk Republic announced that they had uncovered secret plans for a new massive attack on Donetsk and Lugansk by Kiev.

I have translated/summarised the urgent announcement by DNR Defence Spokesman, Eduard Basurin.

DNR received this secret intel from high level sources within Kiev army ranks.  

Kiev amassed 90,000 troops on Ukraine/DNR-LNR (Novorossia) border, preparing to attack. This armed force includes 450 tanks, 2500 armored vehicles, 5 heavy rocket launchers Tochka-U and thousands in various artillery hardware. This army has been concentrated in four key locations. Mariupol, to attack Donetsk from the south; central to attack Donetsk from the west; third one to cut off Donetsk from Lugansk and fourth to attack Lugansk from the north. The reserve group is located behind these four army groupings. The north and south groupings will also cut off LNR and DNR from the Russian border in order to stop humanitarian assistance and close the circle around both republics, thus suffocating them.

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Intel 2

On August 24, Ukraine celebrates its independence day. According to intel, today Poroshenko (oligarch, president), Yatsenyuk (oligarch, PM) and Klichko (boxer, mayor of Kiev) will announce a coalition of their three parties in order to run together in the upcoming local elections.

Ukraine will have local elections in October. Poroshenko’s ratings are down and even his former cronies distrust him. The right sector is threatening to start maidan-3 at any moment. Attempts to start a new maidan have been made by various groups, mainly protesting the economic collapse, shortages, hyperinflation and unemployment. However, every protest attempt has been squashed.

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My intel says that people in cities of Kherson and Nikolaev (south/Black Sea area) would prefer the Opposition Block. It consists of sort of remnants of the Party of the Regions and certain minor oligarchs who are for better relations with Russia, while also maintaining closer relations with the EU. In addition to the above, there are also some relatively honest people in the Opposition Block.

In Odessa, if elections were semi-honest (and this is a huge IF), the winners could be the pro-Russian, pro-Odessa-autonomy, anti-Kiev party Rodina (Motherland), and possibly also Opposition Block. Rodina is one of the main forces still legally remaining in opposition. They used to have good positions in the city council, however, many of them had to flee Ukraine and are now in exile.

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Generally, Odessa is very oppressed and suppressed; people are afraid to speak up. The situation is very similar in Kiev, Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk.

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The situation in Donbass is the following: Donbass is roughly divided into two halves. One half belongs with Donetsk and Lugansk Republics and another half is under junta occupation. We all remember that on May 11, 2014, the people of then Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts in their entirety voted in a referendum against Kiev junta and ukro-nazis, and for their independence. That was well before the war started.

It is understood that people all over the occupied parts of Donbass will vote for those candidates who are the closest to the Republics and furthest from the junta. This may create the situation in which these areas are formally under Kiev, but de-facto a part of LNR and DNR.

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Intel 3

Today Ukraine is celebrating its independence-from-Russia day. Some call it: ‘the independence from the common sense day.’

After participating in early celebrations and officially announcing his alliance with Yatsenyuk and Klichko, Poroshenko will the same day fly to Berlin to meet with Merkel and Hollande. Therefore, the announcement of the Porosh-Yats-Klich election coalition has been deliberately orchestrated to coincide with the independence day – for internal consumption, and with the trip to Berlin – for external consumption.

Poroshenko is trying to demonstrate something to the EU. That he is serious about staying in his post? That he means business and wants to win local elections? Or that he can in fact work with others? Or he thinks that’s how he can get more money? All of the above, I think.

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There is a school of thought that suggests that Russia is tying up a lot of resources supporting Donbass (about 2.5 million people left there since the war started), therefore, weakening her economy.

But Donbas is one of the most developed territories of the former Ukraine, which provided during good times up to 30% of Ukraine’s GDP. Donbass can support itself.

The rest of Ukraine is much larger in size and much less productive. Kiev, western and central Ukraine were subsidised by Donbass and the rest of the South-East.

Pay attention, US and EU taxpayers! US is stuck having to support the entire Ukraine: 30-35 million people and the territory the size of France. Nuland and US State Dept spent $5 bln to subvert Ukraine. How much do they spend daily now to KEEP UKRAINE ON LIFE SUPPORT, especially considering all the crooks and thieves in power, pocketing most of the US and EU infusions?
legendary
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August 24, 2015, 05:23:52 PM
These stupid conflicts severely damaged the sovereignty of the people....We learn nothing, we like 500 years ago but with smartphones to record the genocide.

This, but unfortunately, this seems to be part of human nature, since it seems humanity is unable to learn its lesson.

I'm wondering why this keeps happening indeed. I don't think it is really about being unable to learn. I guess it's more about unwilling to learn.. Unfortunately.

All these wars in the world does not make the world a better place. And honestly, I don't think we've seen the worst yet..
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August 24, 2015, 12:04:33 AM
These stupid conflicts severely damaged the sovereignty of the people....We learn nothing, we like 500 years ago but with smartphones to record the genocide.

This, but unfortunately, this seems to be part of human nature, since it seems humanity is unable to learn its lesson.
legendary
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August 23, 2015, 02:14:34 PM
Just when I thought things couldn't get any more surreal, they did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc1gqc69h8s

The occupational forces of NATO congratulated Ukraine with the Independence Day by doing the UPA (UIA) call. UPA was a paramilitary (read:terrorist) force that collaborated with Nazi German forces during WWII and which tortured and killed hundreds of thousands of Poles, Russians, Rusins, Jews and other nationalities that live in what is now Western Ukraine.

Thus NATO acknowledges its continuity to the Nazi Germany, which is not surprising, given the large number of Nazi war criminals, who found sanctuary in USA and Canada and who continued doing what they did before, but for the new masters.
legendary
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August 17, 2015, 03:57:33 AM
Italian authorities arrested yesterday a former Ukrainian MP, a co-founder of Committee for Salvation of Ukraine (a government in exile). The arrest was done on demand from Kiev on charges from 2007, when the MP prevented neo-Nazis from destroying the monument to Catherine the Great in Odessa, and which were twice thrown out of court in Ukraine before.

The MP came to Italy on a visit to talk to Italian MPs and to explain the real state of affairs in Ukraine to the Italian politicians.

Interestingly, Ukraine is in no hurry arresting Saakashvili, who is wanted internationally by Georgia on a much more serious charges

Interview: Ukraine Salvation Committee to help ex-deputy
http://tass.ru/en/world/814111
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August 06, 2015, 02:13:56 PM
LOL! Putin won an internet poll that was open to anyone? Just goes to show who has the biggest paid army of trolls.

For the record, I wish Putin was in charge of America. There. Now he has a percent on people who want him here too.

God you Putin lovers are idiots  Roll Eyes

It depends on the language it was written in. I am in Ukraine now. If the poll was in Russian, I'd believe it. Half of the country speaks Russian, half speaks Ukrainian. Someone on a Russian news site who comes across a poll is more likely to side with Putin, someone on a Ukrainian news site who comes across a poll will prefer independent sovereignty.

Most won't want to be a part of the EU because of social differences and potential lost income through black market exports.
legendary
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August 06, 2015, 02:00:58 PM
LOL! Putin won an internet poll that was open to anyone? Just goes to show who has the biggest paid army of trolls.

For the record, I wish Putin was in charge of America. There. Now he has a percent on people who want him here too.

God you Putin lovers are idiots  Roll Eyes
legendary
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August 03, 2015, 03:21:45 PM
84% of Ukrainians Want Putin as Leader of Their Country
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/07/31/84-of-ukrainians-want-putin-as-leader-of-their-country/

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Here are some latest telling statistics from Ukraine:

The latest poll shows that 84% of Ukrainians want Russian President Vladimir Putin as the leader of their country. This effectively means that the vast majority of Ukrainians understand into what kind of abyss the Kiev junta is leading them.

Despite the overwhelming anti-Russian and anti-Putin propaganda spread by Kiev and Ukraine MSM, the population isn’t blind. Ukrainian people, most of whom are tired of war and want peace, start recalling the Chechen conflict and its swift and brilliant resolution by Putin. At the time Putin came in, he had on his hands the devastating Chechen war and all of Russia with destroyed economy and depressed population. Back in the 90s, I remember some Russians telling me dejectedly that the Chechen war would never end – and those people weren’t simpletons; to many well-known business people and analysts the Chechen war at the time seemed like a perma-conflict with no way out.

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And this!

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Another bit of news: those anti-junta politicians and journalists of various political views who escaped from Ukraine after the 2014 coup are starting to organize an alternative government in exile. The organization, whose first conference took place in Moscow, is called the ‘Fund for the Salvation of Ukraine.’ It is headed by the former PM of Ukraine under Yanukovich, Nikolay Azarov. Unlike Yanukovich, Azarov is remembered positively in Ukraine and beyond for the quiet, but productive work he had done for the country. These are some long overdue, awkward first steps, and the people behind this alternative government are the old Ukraine politicians, who generally still have a decent reputation, such as Azarov, Vladimir Oleynik (MP from western Ukraine, presently in exile in Russia) and Igor Markov (MP from Odessa, now also in exile). Because of that, they may be capable of uniting various forces around them.
legendary
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August 03, 2015, 05:02:24 AM
These stupid conflicts severely damaged the sovereignty of the people....We learn nothing, we like 500 years ago but with smartphones to record the genocide.

Sad, but true. Sometimes I feel like giving up on humanity...
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August 01, 2015, 04:38:27 PM
These stupid conflicts severely damaged the sovereignty of the people....We learn nothing, we like 500 years ago but with smartphones to record the genocide.
legendary
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August 01, 2015, 04:30:10 PM
Double standards still at work...


Greece... No more loans and full threat of default.

Ukraine... Business as usual.

IMF approves new loan tranche to Kiev, plays down debt and security concerns
http://www.rt.com/business/311343-imf-loan-ukraine-debt/
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Kiev is going to receive a new tranche of the $17.5 billion loan from the IMF despite concerns over its growing national debt and shaky truce in eastern Ukraine torn apart by civil war. In return, the IMF expects Kiev to put its economy “on the path to recovery.”

Ukraine is going to get the approved $1.7 billion, a tenth of the $17.5 billion financial assistance program adopted by the IMF executive board in March.

Back in March, Kiev already got $5 billion of initial disbursement under the IMF financial assistance program. The policy of the Washington-based institution, representing 188 countries, implies that the IMF would provide financial assistance only to a country that is “sustainable with high probability” of repaying debt.

And the following quote must be the cream of doublespeak:

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“Ukraine has been an incredibly encouraging situation,” IMF managing director Christine Lagarde said earlier this week. “We have seen political determination to change the face of Ukraine,” she said.

Unless, of course, Christine Lagarde was to finish the sentence thusly: "We have seen political determination to change the face of Ukraine by repeatedly punching it and beating it into the mud."

According to last news from yesterday, Ukraine had coal left for one day's consumption.

Oh, and they are still shelling civilians from artillery. Gorlovka came under heavy fire yesterday.
legendary
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July 14, 2015, 05:15:58 AM
Revolution Mk.II

Customary fighting in Rada, "because of a split on Right Sector":
http://lifenews.ru/news/157331

Yarosh will lose his immunity. (Well, an outspoken Nazi should not have had any immunity in the first place, but  Canada and USA ruled otherwise):
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/07/14/n_7374773.shtml

USA patted Yatsenjuk on the head and "is giving him hight praise for the reforms in Ukraine"! ("Reforms" obviously means "use all the money to kill the Russian population of Donbass"):
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2767826

And there were two explosions in Lvov, connected with shootings in Mukachevo:
http://ria.ru/world/20150714/1127625337.html
legendary
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July 05, 2015, 09:56:33 AM
Goldman Sucks says that Ukraine will default in July on about $19 billion of debt (not only on Russian 3 billion dollars bribe) as a debt standoff with creditors holds on. A $120 million coupon payment comes due on July 24, and Ukraine will most likely issue a moratorium just before that, Sucks' analysts think...

Out of the $19 billion, some $3.4 billion (€3 billion) is owed to Russia and the rest is owed to the troika. NATO will force the troika to keep quiet about all this, and they will agree to the moratorium. But it will be interesting to know about the Russian reaction to this. Russia is in a very difficult financial situation right now, and they really need that money.
legendary
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July 05, 2015, 09:49:23 AM
Now, if anyone doubted that Ukraine is an occupied state and that Porosenko is merely a gauleiter.

Former Ukrainian minister of foreign Affairs Kozhara published a letter from US Senator Richard Durbin to yatsenjuk, recommending changes to the Ukrainian Cabinet of ministers
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/07/05/usa1/

Ex-prime minister of Ukraine Azarov, stated that the elections of Porosenko were falsified:
http://ria.ru/world/20150705/1115036788.html
Well, we all knew that those (s)elections were a poorly choreographed show before Porosenko's appointment by US State Dep. And that's basically what Azarov is saying.
legendary
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June 25, 2015, 12:21:33 PM
Ukraine does not intend to pay back the $3 billion of debt to Russia:
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2036210

Finally default?

No its just Russia gonna loose this money. Like Russia always did. Ukraine will live. And continue its movement to the european union and nato. Russia will loose again. Accept it. Rouble will fall again like a year ago.

Goldman Sucks says that Ukraine will default in July on about $19 billion of debt (not only on Russian 3 billion dollars bribe) as a debt standoff with creditors holds on. A $120 million coupon payment comes due on July 24, and Ukraine will most likely issue a moratorium just before that, Sucks' analysts think...

Full article can be found here

If Ukraine won't pay then ISE will pay full sum of transaction. And then Ukraine will have to talk with ISE guys, who have enough experience in debts collection

If only these ISE guys are half as good at collecting debts as the ISIL ones are at chopping heads off, then Ukraine should think twice before refusing to pay
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