Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 7. (Read 227070 times)
Have an election and do what the majority of the people want. the rest of the world needs to stay out. if the most people want Russia and communist . that is what they should have
US-created virus outbreak reported between Kharkov and Donbass:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13703903
And in the economy section:
Ukrainians Realize Futility of EU Free Trade, But It's Too Little, Too Late
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160125/1033682894/ukraine-eu-free-trade-futility.html
Kiev Authorities Finishing Off Last Remnants of Ukraine's Economy
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160112/1033003925/ukraine-economy-sanctions-association.html
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13703903
And in the economy section:
Ukrainians Realize Futility of EU Free Trade, But It's Too Little, Too Late
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160125/1033682894/ukraine-eu-free-trade-futility.html
Kiev Authorities Finishing Off Last Remnants of Ukraine's Economy
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160112/1033003925/ukraine-economy-sanctions-association.html
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Interviewed by independent Russian newspaper Svobodnaya Pressa, Noginsky recalled that "the Ukrainian government has boasted that since January 1st, [Ukrainian producers] have been issued more than 900 [EUR1] certificates," ostensibly providing Ukrainian companies with duty-free access to the EU.
"At the same time, Kiev is tactfully silent about the fact that most of these certificates were issued for raw, unrefined products. This includes things like apple concentrates, seeds, honey – that is, purely raw goods. As experts had earlier predicted, the certification of enterprises producing finished products is going ahead very slowly. In the last year, only eight companies were given such certification, and this despite the fact that they have been working at it for several years now."
"In other words," Noginsky laments, "the bulk of Ukraine's manufacturers still do not have access to the European market. And this is not even because of the tariffs, but because of 'non-tariff regulations' and the closed nature of the European market."
"After January 1, these same producers lost the Russian market. For example, the meat and dairy industry will factually face crisis, since the main buyers of Ukrainian meat and dairy are Russia and the other countries of the Customs Union."
To make matters worse, asked about the consequences of the Ukrainian counter-counter sanctions banning Russian food products, Noginsky noted that such measures have only one purpose: "to see Russian goods replaced with European ones on the Ukrainian market."
"The government is factually just making it easier for European companies to access Ukraine, and nothing more. In order for companies to safely head to market, it is necessary to first remove any competitors and thus to free up the niche. As a result, people will be forced to switch to European goods. Factually, the Ukrainian government is working for the benefit of European producers, not their own citizens. European goods are more expensive, but due to lack of choice, naturally, people will buy them."
In effect, the expert says, "destroying our own exports is absolutely illogical, and is aimed at destroying Ukraine's economy and turning it into a raw materials-producing nation. What is Europe ready to buy? Raw, unprocessed goods. Our exports last year clearly demonstrated this, with corn, grains and ferrous metals serving as Ukraine's main exports [to Europe]."
"Only a few dozen Ukrainian companies will be able to receive these EUR1 certificates. The rest are simply incapable of doing so. The transition to the new standards requires significant investment. By the way, of those companies that did receive certification, eight have European owners, Danone being an example. In other words, the European owners have opened their factories toward exporting to their own home countries."
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Interviewed by independent Russian newspaper Svobodnaya Pressa, Noginsky recalled that "the Ukrainian government has boasted that since January 1st, [Ukrainian producers] have been issued more than 900 [EUR1] certificates," ostensibly providing Ukrainian companies with duty-free access to the EU.
"At the same time, Kiev is tactfully silent about the fact that most of these certificates were issued for raw, unrefined products. This includes things like apple concentrates, seeds, honey – that is, purely raw goods. As experts had earlier predicted, the certification of enterprises producing finished products is going ahead very slowly. In the last year, only eight companies were given such certification, and this despite the fact that they have been working at it for several years now."
"In other words," Noginsky laments, "the bulk of Ukraine's manufacturers still do not have access to the European market. And this is not even because of the tariffs, but because of 'non-tariff regulations' and the closed nature of the European market."
"After January 1, these same producers lost the Russian market. For example, the meat and dairy industry will factually face crisis, since the main buyers of Ukrainian meat and dairy are Russia and the other countries of the Customs Union."
To make matters worse, asked about the consequences of the Ukrainian counter-counter sanctions banning Russian food products, Noginsky noted that such measures have only one purpose: "to see Russian goods replaced with European ones on the Ukrainian market."
"The government is factually just making it easier for European companies to access Ukraine, and nothing more. In order for companies to safely head to market, it is necessary to first remove any competitors and thus to free up the niche. As a result, people will be forced to switch to European goods. Factually, the Ukrainian government is working for the benefit of European producers, not their own citizens. European goods are more expensive, but due to lack of choice, naturally, people will buy them."
In effect, the expert says, "destroying our own exports is absolutely illogical, and is aimed at destroying Ukraine's economy and turning it into a raw materials-producing nation. What is Europe ready to buy? Raw, unprocessed goods. Our exports last year clearly demonstrated this, with corn, grains and ferrous metals serving as Ukraine's main exports [to Europe]."
"Only a few dozen Ukrainian companies will be able to receive these EUR1 certificates. The rest are simply incapable of doing so. The transition to the new standards requires significant investment. By the way, of those companies that did receive certification, eight have European owners, Danone being an example. In other words, the European owners have opened their factories toward exporting to their own home countries."
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I'd say we don't need visa-free Georgians. Most of narcotraffic related crimes were committed by Georgian citizens, it's a sufficient reason for keeping visa regime.
These Georgian citizens are not ethnic Georgians. They are mostly ethnic Azerbaijanis, and Meskhetian Turks having Georgian citizenship. 90% of the heroin trade in Russia is controlled by the ethnic Azerbaijanis, with support from the Tadzhiks and the Uzbecs. Banish all these Azeris, and Russia will see a decline in new HIV incidence and heroin overdose.
I'd say we don't need visa-free Georgians. Most of narcotraffic related crimes were committed by Georgian citizens, it's a sufficient reason for keeping visa regime.
Only one day after Putin, answering a Georgian journalist, said that Russia can introduce a visum-free regime with Georgia within a matter of weeks, EU counters that EU can make travel to Georgia visum-free by mid-2016. I wonder what kind of strings will be attached. Georgia already has a visum-free travel for Russian citizens, and there are many Georgians living in Russia. Will Georgia, like Ukraine, be required to severe all ties with Russia to its own detriment?
http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-georgia-eu-benchmarks-visa-free-travel/27435738.html
Only a few weeks ago, it was said that visum-free regime with Ukraine is not possible as Ukraine makes no progress in combating corruption - the primary condition for visum-free travel to Europe. Doubel-speak again?
German journalists in this article wonder if USA is pressuring EU to open up for Ukraine and Georgia to make life difficult for Russia:
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2015/12/09/gegen-russland-eu-will-visum-pflicht-fuer-ukraine-aufheben/
One thing is clear: Georgia is the next wild-card at this stage of the political game for domination of Russia. NATO's gambit failed in 2008. Will it work now?
http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-georgia-eu-benchmarks-visa-free-travel/27435738.html
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BRUSSELS -- European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker said on December 18 that the European Union should offer visa-free short-stay travel within the Schengen zone for citizens of Ukraine, Georgia, and Kosovo -- all three locked in bitter disputes with Russia.
Speaking after an EU summit in Brussels, Juncker said the commission "took a positive position on the liberalization of visas" and proposed to "EU leaders that they take rapid decisions on visa liberalization for the three countries," he said.
If approved by EU member states and the European Parliament, citizens could travel to the EU without visas as soon as 2016.
The commission said Georgia and Ukraine met all the conditions for visa-free travel, but it made visa liberalization for Kosovo conditional on Pristina satisfying eight specific points aimed at reigning in corruption and crime.
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Speaking after an EU summit in Brussels, Juncker said the commission "took a positive position on the liberalization of visas" and proposed to "EU leaders that they take rapid decisions on visa liberalization for the three countries," he said.
If approved by EU member states and the European Parliament, citizens could travel to the EU without visas as soon as 2016.
The commission said Georgia and Ukraine met all the conditions for visa-free travel, but it made visa liberalization for Kosovo conditional on Pristina satisfying eight specific points aimed at reigning in corruption and crime.
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Only a few weeks ago, it was said that visum-free regime with Ukraine is not possible as Ukraine makes no progress in combating corruption - the primary condition for visum-free travel to Europe. Doubel-speak again?
German journalists in this article wonder if USA is pressuring EU to open up for Ukraine and Georgia to make life difficult for Russia:
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2015/12/09/gegen-russland-eu-will-visum-pflicht-fuer-ukraine-aufheben/
One thing is clear: Georgia is the next wild-card at this stage of the political game for domination of Russia. NATO's gambit failed in 2008. Will it work now?
Ukraine will have huge problems soon, because they will not have allies anymore
^^^^ The mainstream historians and the media have conveniently chose to hide the war crimes of Billary Clinton. They have committed crimes against humanity in Russia, Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo and countless other countries and regions. And it should be worrying that Hillary is almost certain to be elected as the POTUS in 2016.
Yes, a silly pushing match is more civilized than using tanks against your parliament.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Tanks_before_Russian_White_house.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Tanks_before_Russian_White_house.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis
Do you remember the 1993 Russian crisis? The American puppet Boris Yeltsin and his oligarch friends massacred thousands of Russian patriots, with the covert help from Bill Clinton, and then rigged the elections to stay in power. It was Bill Clinton and his lesbian wife who ordered the puppet to use tanks against the unarmed protesters.
To wit:
http://stanislavs.org/the-wild-90s-in-russia-as-reflected-in-peoples-memory/
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More on the Yeltsin’s coup d’etat of 1993
It happened between the 21st of September and the 5th of October 1993. Back then, the Western MSM praised this event as the ultimate defence of the young Russian democracy, while in reality, it was the exact opposite.
At that time Russian Parliament, seeing where Yeltsin was steering the country, was preparing to pass impeachment of the President. It is a completely democratic process, designed to balance the presidential power and to trigger a preliminary election. Yeltsin’s reaction was all but democratic.
He passed directive #1400, disbanding the Parliament. When the Parliament refused to comply, he (with the backing of the “well-wishers” from across the pond) ordered army into the streets of Moscow. The Parliament building and the TV tower Ostankino were surrounded. People went out to the streets to defend the Parliament. Then there came the terrible order to open fire. People were shot down by concentrated machine gun fire from armoured vehicles, the Parliament was shelled from tanks.
Here is a footage of the shelling of the Parliament:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGJkoc3JLI
The exact number of victims of the 1993 massacre is unknown – most documents from that time were destroyed – but is officially estimated to be approximately 200. According to the analysis in the following article (in Russian), the numbers may have been a magnitude higher.
http://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2012/10/04/istoriya-rossiiskoi-federatsii/693919-4-oktyabrya-1993-goda-vlast-ustroila-boiny
The massacre also marked the descent of Russia into a period of near-destruction, a period of lawlessness and dismemberment of the industry and defence. A period, known in Russia as “The Wild 90s”.
Russia became totally incapacitated, which, in turn allowed USNATO in 1999 to start an unpunished invasion of Yugoslavia, not fearing any opposition. And even then, some politicians in Russia tried to show protest. When USA started the bombings, Russian Foreign Minister Prjamakov was en route to USA on a diplomatic mission. Upon hearing of the news, he ordered that the plane be turned back right over the Atlantic Ocean in protest.
A link to the excerpt from the book “The Forgotten Victims of 1993”:
http://oct1993.narod.ru/doc/zabyitie_zhertvi.htm
It contains many witness descriptions of the executions of the defenders (even those, who were unarmed, already wounded or surrendered), and later falsification of the numbers of the murdered people.
From the site above, there is an interesting document by parliamentary Andronov, who from the besieged Parliament, on the day before the massacre conducted negotiation with representatives of the AMERICAN embassy, trying to prevent the bloodshed. Americans anyway gave the order to open fire, he says, adding that the bloodshed in Moscow in 1993 was directly authorised by Clinton.
http://oct1993.narod.ru/doc/14.doc
More on the Yeltsin’s coup d’etat of 1993
It happened between the 21st of September and the 5th of October 1993. Back then, the Western MSM praised this event as the ultimate defence of the young Russian democracy, while in reality, it was the exact opposite.
At that time Russian Parliament, seeing where Yeltsin was steering the country, was preparing to pass impeachment of the President. It is a completely democratic process, designed to balance the presidential power and to trigger a preliminary election. Yeltsin’s reaction was all but democratic.
He passed directive #1400, disbanding the Parliament. When the Parliament refused to comply, he (with the backing of the “well-wishers” from across the pond) ordered army into the streets of Moscow. The Parliament building and the TV tower Ostankino were surrounded. People went out to the streets to defend the Parliament. Then there came the terrible order to open fire. People were shot down by concentrated machine gun fire from armoured vehicles, the Parliament was shelled from tanks.
Here is a footage of the shelling of the Parliament:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGJkoc3JLI
The exact number of victims of the 1993 massacre is unknown – most documents from that time were destroyed – but is officially estimated to be approximately 200. According to the analysis in the following article (in Russian), the numbers may have been a magnitude higher.
http://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2012/10/04/istoriya-rossiiskoi-federatsii/693919-4-oktyabrya-1993-goda-vlast-ustroila-boiny
The massacre also marked the descent of Russia into a period of near-destruction, a period of lawlessness and dismemberment of the industry and defence. A period, known in Russia as “The Wild 90s”.
Russia became totally incapacitated, which, in turn allowed USNATO in 1999 to start an unpunished invasion of Yugoslavia, not fearing any opposition. And even then, some politicians in Russia tried to show protest. When USA started the bombings, Russian Foreign Minister Prjamakov was en route to USA on a diplomatic mission. Upon hearing of the news, he ordered that the plane be turned back right over the Atlantic Ocean in protest.
A link to the excerpt from the book “The Forgotten Victims of 1993”:
http://oct1993.narod.ru/doc/zabyitie_zhertvi.htm
It contains many witness descriptions of the executions of the defenders (even those, who were unarmed, already wounded or surrendered), and later falsification of the numbers of the murdered people.
From the site above, there is an interesting document by parliamentary Andronov, who from the besieged Parliament, on the day before the massacre conducted negotiation with representatives of the AMERICAN embassy, trying to prevent the bloodshed. Americans anyway gave the order to open fire, he says, adding that the bloodshed in Moscow in 1993 was directly authorised by Clinton.
http://oct1993.narod.ru/doc/14.doc
EDIT:
The site above has an extensive library of documents, memoirs and testimonials, pertaining to the 1993 coup d'etat and massacre here:
http://oct1993.narod.ru/bibl.htm
It also contains 7 recordings of radio intercepts of the power structure communications.
Yes, a silly pushing match is more civilized than using tanks against your parliament.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Tanks_before_Russian_White_house.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Tanks_before_Russian_White_house.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis
Do you remember the 1993 Russian crisis? The American puppet Boris Yeltsin and his oligarch friends massacred thousands of Russian patriots, with the covert help from Bill Clinton, and then rigged the elections to stay in power. It was Bill Clinton and his lesbian wife who ordered the puppet to use tanks against the unarmed protesters.
Yes, a silly pushing match is more civilized than using tanks against your parliament.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Tanks_before_Russian_White_house.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis
Russia is expecting Ukraine to pay back the debt of 3.5 billion dollars by the 20th of December. Ukraine put a moratorium on the payment of the debt, absolving themselves of it. Russia says that this is de facto admission of default by Ukraine.
If Ukraine fails to pay, Russia will be suing Ukraine once 10 days after the deadline have passed.
If Ukraine fails to pay, Russia will be suing Ukraine once 10 days after the deadline have passed.
Be ready for a lengthy legal battle. The IMF recently changed some of their own terms and conditions, in order to help Ukraine with this situation. I would like to see some strong-arm tactics from Russia (such as capturing the remaining parts of the Donbass), rather than going for arbitration in the biased pro-American courts.
Russia is expecting Ukraine to pay back the debt of 3.5 billion dollars by the 20th of December. Ukraine put a moratorium on the payment of the debt, absolving themselves of it. Russia says that this is de facto admission of default by Ukraine.
If Ukraine fails to pay, Russia will be suing Ukraine once 10 days after the deadline have passed.
If Ukraine fails to pay, Russia will be suing Ukraine once 10 days after the deadline have passed.
Be ready for a lengthy legal battle. The IMF recently changed some of their own terms and conditions, in order to help Ukraine with this situation. I would like to see some strong-arm tactics from Russia (such as capturing the remaining parts of the Donbass), rather than going for arbitration in the biased pro-American courts.
This is exactly what USNATO/West would like to see as well to start foul-mouthing Russia even more, and this is exactly what Russia has not been doing for the past year and a half despite numerous military and financial provocations. I don't expect this to change. Russia will continue pushing for a civilised solution based on international law.
Russia is expecting Ukraine to pay back the debt of 3.5 billion dollars by the 20th of December. Ukraine put a moratorium on the payment of the debt, absolving themselves of it. Russia says that this is de facto admission of default by Ukraine.
If Ukraine fails to pay, Russia will be suing Ukraine once 10 days after the deadline have passed.
If Ukraine fails to pay, Russia will be suing Ukraine once 10 days after the deadline have passed.
Be ready for a lengthy legal battle. The IMF recently changed some of their own terms and conditions, in order to help Ukraine with this situation. I would like to see some strong-arm tactics from Russia (such as capturing the remaining parts of the Donbass), rather than going for arbitration in the biased pro-American courts.
Russia is expecting Ukraine to pay back the debt of 3.5 billion dollars by the 20th of December. Ukraine put a moratorium on the payment of the debt, absolving themselves of it. Russia says that this is de facto admission of default by Ukraine.
If Ukraine fails to pay, Russia will be suing Ukraine once 10 days after the deadline have passed.
If Ukraine fails to pay, Russia will be suing Ukraine once 10 days after the deadline have passed.
Some fun read:
Ukraine Scandals: Transatlantic Boss Joe Biden and Ukraine’s Spiders in a Jar
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/12/18/ukraine-idiocracy-big-boss-joe-biden-thieves-avakov-saakashvili-violent-row-yatsenyuk-dragged-off-by-bls/
Btw, Ukrainian Antonov air-plane construction agency is to sell 30 multi-purpose experimental planes AN-178 to Saudi Arabia.
http://ria.ru/world/20151218/1344414599.html
Nothing noteworthy, if not for the name these planes are given - "Banderas". Imagine Airbus rolling out some A-340 "Hitler".
It's a real shame that Antonov construction agency name is dragged through the mud in such a away, for it an excellent agency, on par with Iljushin and Sukhoj.
Ukraine Scandals: Transatlantic Boss Joe Biden and Ukraine’s Spiders in a Jar
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/12/18/ukraine-idiocracy-big-boss-joe-biden-thieves-avakov-saakashvili-violent-row-yatsenyuk-dragged-off-by-bls/
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Warning! This post is for those who really want to know what’s happening in Ukraine, and for those who have a sense of humor. If it seems unusually sarchastic for my style, well, that’s because the idiocracy in Ukraine and USA has reached such heights that it’s not possible to talk about it seriously any more. Remember my old mini-series: “Crazy Asylum Called Ukraine”? Alas, Ukraine has regressed well past that stage. Shall we call the new stage: ‘IDIOCRACY PLUS’ ?
Just after US VP Joe Biden visited Kiev, where he was given a standing ovation in the Kiev Rada, two interesting events happened, demonstrating how far gone this ukro-nazi regime has become, and how hopeless it is for the future of the poor, long-suffering people of Ukraine.
First, let’s see what happened during Biden’s visit. It wasn’t like a visit of any highly respected foreign leader, with red carpet rolled out and military guard at attention, as international diplomatic protocol might demand. Nope. First of, Vice President Biden isn’t equal to Poroshenko, the president of the ‘sovereign’ Ukraine. By protocol, he could be received by the leader of a nation for talks, but shouldn’t be greeted with any special pomp. Yet Poroshenko, and it seems, everyone in Kiev, were clinging to Biden for dear life throughout his visit.
In honor of Biden’s visit, the flag of Ukraine was taken down and the American flag installed above government building in Kiev. For any other country this would have been a major embarrassment, but not for Ukraine. The official Kiev was awfully proud of it.
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Just after US VP Joe Biden visited Kiev, where he was given a standing ovation in the Kiev Rada, two interesting events happened, demonstrating how far gone this ukro-nazi regime has become, and how hopeless it is for the future of the poor, long-suffering people of Ukraine.
First, let’s see what happened during Biden’s visit. It wasn’t like a visit of any highly respected foreign leader, with red carpet rolled out and military guard at attention, as international diplomatic protocol might demand. Nope. First of, Vice President Biden isn’t equal to Poroshenko, the president of the ‘sovereign’ Ukraine. By protocol, he could be received by the leader of a nation for talks, but shouldn’t be greeted with any special pomp. Yet Poroshenko, and it seems, everyone in Kiev, were clinging to Biden for dear life throughout his visit.
In honor of Biden’s visit, the flag of Ukraine was taken down and the American flag installed above government building in Kiev. For any other country this would have been a major embarrassment, but not for Ukraine. The official Kiev was awfully proud of it.
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Btw, Ukrainian Antonov air-plane construction agency is to sell 30 multi-purpose experimental planes AN-178 to Saudi Arabia.
http://ria.ru/world/20151218/1344414599.html
Nothing noteworthy, if not for the name these planes are given - "Banderas". Imagine Airbus rolling out some A-340 "Hitler".
It's a real shame that Antonov construction agency name is dragged through the mud in such a away, for it an excellent agency, on par with Iljushin and Sukhoj.
Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOs9i0FFrvI
Another angle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls_a4C1mYso
It's a must-watch, how Yats got presented with roses, then bodily grabbed by his "European values" and carried from the podium, rigid, as if he is a cardboard cut-out!
Sooo... what do you gents think about the
recent news of Bitcoin getting glowing approval
with Ukrainan banking sector?
http://forklog.net/the-national-bank-of-ukraine-concedes-integration-of-bitcoin/
recent news of Bitcoin getting glowing approval
with Ukrainan banking sector?
http://forklog.net/the-national-bank-of-ukraine-concedes-integration-of-bitcoin/
Nothing special there. Just the routine affairs as far as the Ukrainian parliamentarians are concerned. What do you really expect, when you elect rapists, neo-Nazis, murderers, bandits.etc as the members of parliament? Also, popular support and honesty are irrelevant in Ukraine. All that matters is raw muscle power.
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