EU tells Russia: start Ukraine talks or face sanctions
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/11/eu-tells-russia-start-ukraine-talks-or-face-sanctions
"Sanctions, including asset freeze and travel ban on military and officials, could be imposed day after Crimea referendum."
Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 98. (Read 227096 times)
They have an access to ukrainian army weapons, so everything is possible. 
Anyway, there are no official confirmations yet.
Anyway, there are no official confirmations yet.
Oh, and this little gem: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_11/Two-US-drones-allegedly-shot-down-in-Crimea-5071/
Original article has been replaced... But it could be found here:
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13921220000933
I don't think that the Crimean militia has the capability to shot down US drones.
Oh, and this little gem: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_11/Two-US-drones-allegedly-shot-down-in-Crimea-5071/
Original article has been replaced... But it could be found here:
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13921220000933
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Yanukovych is politically dead. No-one ever listen to him again outside of Russia, and if he sets foot anywhere in the EU, he'll probably get arrested at the border to answer charges of mass-murder. Since he was the "democratically elected and legitimate" president at time of the Maidan massacre, he is legally responsible for the actions of his militia who were obeying his orders. He could argue that he lost control of the militia, or that the fascists were shooting at themselves, but the facts would have to be established in a court of law, not in the Russian kangaroo media. If he's on Russian TV still pretending to be president, or talking about "how evil and brutal the fascist coup was", it just shows how desperate and crazy Putin is.
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The legitimacy of the 'coup' has already been strengthened by multiple EU leaders meeting with senior members of the temporary place-holder government. And everyone (except Putin) is waiting for the May elections to elect a new, legitimate parliament in Kiev. Even Yanukovych AGREED that new elections would be held BEFORE December. You can't just call it a coup because you dislike the people who are obeying your own wishes.
Yanukovych is politically dead. No-one ever listen to him again outside of Russia, and if he sets foot anywhere in the EU, he'll probably get arrested at the border to answer charges of mass-murder. Since he was the "democratically elected and legitimate" president at time of the Maidan massacre, he is legally responsible for the actions of his militia who were obeying his orders. He could argue that he lost control of the militia, or that the fascists were shooting at themselves, but the facts would have to be established in a court of law, not in the Russian kangaroo media. If he's on Russian TV still pretending to be president, or talking about "how evil and brutal the fascist coup was", it just shows how desperate and crazy Putin is.
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The legitimacy of the 'coup' has already been strengthened by multiple EU leaders meeting with senior members of the temporary place-holder government. And everyone (except Putin) is waiting for the May elections to elect a new, legitimate parliament in Kiev. Even Yanukovych AGREED that new elections would be held BEFORE December. You can't just call it a coup because you dislike the people who are obeying your own wishes.
@1: Yes, Yanukovich' political weight and his liberal use of state money is questioned even in Russian media, but that does not make the truth of the matter less obvious: he was illegitimately ousted. If US citizens tried to conduct a seize of power, the US police would open fire on them. Wait, that already happened before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
By the way those militia didn't shoot themselves from sniper rifles, someone opened fire on them. If anything, Yanukovich did nothing to stop the Maidan protests before they grew out of control and turned into a mob. No orders to disperse the Maidan mob were ever given, which probably was a deciding factor in the West's next move: bringing of the outside legionary forces and take over of the state.
@2: This duplicity of EU/US standard is sickening. Yes, Yanukovich agreed to new elections, what he also agreed to is a coalition government with opposition leaders (the proverbial 0.045% of the Ukranian population, also known as Maidan), yet both he and the coalition government get thrown out of their offices on the next day after that agreement was reached by masked weapon-wielding swastika-bearing bandits, who proclaim themselves as the new government, while the West smiles benevolently at them.
PS: The new elections might be conducted at gun-point: either you vote for us, or it's a proverbial gas camera for you.
PSS: More headlines:
- Ukrainian Parliament (Verhovnaja Rada) threatens to disband the Parliament of Crimea unless it cancels the referendum. (As if they care - the point of no return has already been passed)
- Ukrainian Ministry of Defence asked local oligarchs to donate money the Ukrainian army, which is currently only powered by "tactics and military spirit" (whatever that is)
Oh, and this little gem: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_11/Two-US-drones-allegedly-shot-down-in-Crimea-5071/
oh boy this is going to get even more ugly ..... involved party should grab some vodka and party for god sake
Russia already IS fascist, along with a dictatorial semi-theocratic government.
I would argue that Russia is not by definition fascist, though I completely agree that it is "dictatorial semi-theocratic".
On the other hand, the systems of benevolent dictatorships often work, when the goals of the dictator coincide with what is best for his country/subjects.
Crimean Parliament adopts a Declaration of Independence:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.rambler.ru%2F24014194%2F&act=url
In other news, President Yanukovish wants to address the US Senate and Congress and ask them to investigate the anti-(US)-constitutional act of giving money to a state (viz, Ukraine) where a government acquired power by the means of a state coup.
Title: "Crimea. Ukrainian soldiers from the base Balbek waiting to attack the Russians. "They will come with Molotov cocktails""
lol... haven't laughed that hard for a while.
Crimea update: tension is rising, several armies standing right opposite each other and waiting for the orders.
FUD?Mega extra ultra FUD!
Crimea update: tension is rising, several armies standing right opposite each other and waiting for the orders.
FUD?LOL @ FUD! stfu!
i am watching polish news with live feed from Crimea! it's here as well http://www.polskatimes.pl/artykul/3354777,krym-ukrainscy-zolnierze-z-bazy-balbek-czekaja-na-atak-rosjan-przyjda-z-koktajlami-molotowa,id,t.html?cookie=1
Title: "Crimea. Ukrainian soldiers from the base Balbek waiting to attack the Russians. "They will come with Molotov cocktails""
It's called revolution because it always comes around again and nothing changes.
Crimea update: tension is rising, several armies standing right opposite each other and waiting for the orders.
FUD?Mega extra ultra FUD!
Crimea update: tension is rising, several armies standing right opposite each other and waiting for the orders.
FUD?
Crimea update: tension is rising, several armies standing right opposite each other and waiting for the orders.
btw, poland asked for some f16's and 300 us soldiers to operate them. arriving later on this week
seems poland is actually pretty scared/concerned about that Ukranian situation.
Poland doesn't have and never had any significant military forces so they always rely on others, especially US.
btw, poland asked for some f16's and 300 us soldiers to operate them. arriving later on this week
seems poland is actually pretty scared/concerned about that Ukranian situation.
btw, poland asked for some f16's and 300 us soldiers to operate them. arriving later on this week
Russia already IS fascist, along with a dictatorial semi-theocratic government.
on paper that should never be a problem (i repeat on PAPER) ofc the theory and practice differs allot 
What I think he meant to say that 30% of Ukraine (mainly Southern and Eastern regions) wish to merge with Russia. Well, if you speak Russian, and >70% (and sometimes 100%) of people around you speak Russian, but the central fascist government bans Russian, what would you want to do?
I seriously doubt anyone would ban Russian, since even in Kiev you mostly hear Russian instead of Ukrainian.
And I would feel bad because, while Ukraine *might* become fascist (though probably won't), Russia already IS fascist, along with a dictatorial semi-theocratic government.
It is not 30% of the population which uses Russian. Even in Kiev, an opposition stronghold, Ukrainian is very rarely heard. Around 45% of the population lives in the East and South, where there are hardly any Ukrainian speakers. Another 25-30% lives in the Center, where Russian predominates. And even in the West, Russian is used as a lingua franca in multi-lingual areas such as Berehove and Hertsa.
Ban the Russian language, and you will create enormous difficulties for almost 3/4th of the population.
Ban the Russian language, and you will create enormous difficulties for almost 3/4th of the population.
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