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Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 95. (Read 227070 times)

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March 16, 2014, 12:09:52 PM
I don't think so..
There aren't the slightest indications of a boycott of their gas supplies to the EU to give one example.
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March 16, 2014, 12:03:40 PM
Russia's economy will collapse, byebye o/
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 11:45:20 AM
Of course he has, but he will wait for a support by the local authorities. Because it has no sense without having a centralized and strong opposition in the eastern territories... If you wish to create a stable republic, not some sort of another Iraq.

By authorities I mean structures like Crimean parliament and government. Currently there are a lot of people against the coup but they have no leadership. It seems that some sort of strong opposition forces will be formed in the future, but it's a matter of months.
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March 16, 2014, 11:31:15 AM
Do you guys think Putin has the guts to start invading the eastern border of Ukraine? Possibly heading to Kiev?
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 11:28:35 AM
I don't think that there is something more than FUD behind these words... Because the only thing he capable to do is shooting to unarmed people.  Roll Eyes
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in defi we trust
March 16, 2014, 11:13:39 AM
In the meantime Jarosh threatens to destroy the gas pipeline linking Europe to Russia (http://news.rambler.ru/24115137/).
Oh well, let him try.

P.S. He just made my day...  Cheesy

Or better not Wink. It's still cold at night here.
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March 16, 2014, 11:03:17 AM
In the meantime Jarosh threatens to destroy the gas pipeline linking Europe to Russia (http://news.rambler.ru/24115137/).
Oh well, let him try.

P.S. He just made my day...  Cheesy
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 10:25:57 AM
64% of population have already cast their vote in Crimean referendum.

In the meantime Jarosh threatens to destroy the gas pipeline linking Europe to Russia (http://news.rambler.ru/24115137/).

And on the topic of referendums:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2580990/Wealthy-Venice-hold-referendum-breaking-away-Rome-years-propping-Italys-crime-ridden-south.html
Smiley
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March 16, 2014, 08:22:55 AM

Priceless!

Truth is, most common people both in US and EU see what is really happening, but cannot affect it as their politicians ran away from people's control and are acting as if they own the world. Oh, wait, they do own the world.

I really like what one US politician said the other day that Russia has to act as it does now. If it backs off, it'll become just another marionette country deprived of its views and identity.

By the way, about US/EU "bail-outs" to the current illegitimate Ukrainian government. The blogger here (http://mitek-mitekych.livejournal.com/586635.html) put it pretty well: 43 million Ukrainians will eat through 1 billion dollar bail-out during a 2-week period. Another interesting and oh-so-true statement there: "Kerry does not understand that his taking a tour around Maidan is seen by Russians on a genetic level as a declaration of war". The article is called "Ukraine needs nationalism", but it's not as ultra-right as the title makes it sound. There is actually a lot of reason in that post. Run it through Google translate.

By the way, Crimea has thus far been the most quiet and safe for one's life  region, where law and order is observed and any extremist provocations are cut at the root. I don't expect this to change unless "someone" starts to bomb Crimean civilians after today, following the Yugoslav script.

Half of the citizens of Sevastopol have already voted.

In Lugansk, a spontaneous "people's referendum" is conducted with regards to Lugansk' status within Ukraine.

In other news: Former SS legionnaires conducted their traditional march in Riga today.

And to round off today's post with this little map that puts history into perspective:

Light yellow - Ukraine before the "totalitarian regime" (1654)
Upper part of the map - Russian tzars' presents (1654-1917)
Blue - Present from Lenin (Novorussia, Donbass) (1922)
Red - Present from Stalin (Western Ukraine and Northern Bukovina 1939-1940)
Green - Present from Hrushov, Crimea (1954)
And the subscript: in 2008 Yushenko ordered to destroy monuments of the totalitarian regime

Today's joke:
Obama: We won't acknowledge the results of today's referendum in Crimea
Journalist: What if they vote against joining Russia?
Obama: Then we'll acknowledge the results.
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March 15, 2014, 11:18:29 PM
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A Great Time to Start Something!
March 15, 2014, 10:55:26 PM
Ukraine denounces ‘invasion’ by Russian forces on eve of Crimea’s referendum

KIEV, Ukraine — Russia’s military staged a provocative new act of aggression Saturday, occupying a natural gas distribution center and village on a strip of Ukrainian land near the Crimean Peninsula and prompting Kiev’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs to denounce “a military invasion by Russia.”

The incident marked the first face-to-face standoff between the Ukrainian and Russian militaries outside the Crimean Peninsula, suggesting that Moscow is testing the will of Kiev amid fears of further Russian incursions in eastern and southern Ukraine. The move comes on the eve of a vote in Crimea on whether the residents there want to break away from Ukraine and join Russia.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/tensions-mount-as-crimea-prepares-for-referendum/2014/03/15/a384c36a-ac40-11e3-a06a-e3230a43d6cb_story.html

Russian troops in four helicopter gunships and three armored combat vehicles descended on the natural gas facility near the village of Strilkove about 1:30 p.m. local time, according to Ukrainian officials. The Russians said they had seized the site out of fears it would be targeted by “terrorists,” according to a Ukrainian Defense Ministry official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.


We have assumed control...
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March 15, 2014, 09:18:10 PM
The referendum will start within a few hours time. Latest opinion polls shows ethnic Russians supporting it by 85%, ethnic Ukrainians by 65% and Muslims by 15% (58%, 25% and 13% respectively of the population).
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
March 15, 2014, 07:57:35 PM
Alt energy can help + We have HUGE amounts of oil in several states.
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legendary
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March 15, 2014, 01:21:53 PM




Out of pure curiosity. What's your opinion on Kosovo?
Should it be an independent country or not?

If Kosovo conducts an open referendum and decides to be independent as a result of it, yes.

This same reasoning applies to Basque land, Catalonia, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Chechenia.

On the other hand, Yugoslavia functioned well as a multi-ethnical country before external forces started to brew ethnicity and religious conflicts. The question of Kosovo should not have been here in the first place, but the history had been written, and not in favour of people living on that land. I read a story about two Yugoslavs, one Muslim and the other of Slavic descent. They were neighbour through many years with no particular disagreements. When that whole craze started in the 90-s they ended up on the different sides, shooting at each other. Later when this interview/story was written down, they both were sitting in the same pub, retelling the events and wondering what came over them in the first place. They said it felt back then as if they completely lost their minds...

Some pre-referendum new from Crimea: a band tried to purchase rubber batons, shields and Berkut uniforms. According to the arrested members, they were to violently attack peacefully protesting Tatars tomorrow, posing as Berkut militia and sparking ethnic conflicts.

PS: I am not so much pro-Russian, as pro-human. Policies should be consistent and fair. So far Russia's conduct with regard to the whole Ukranian business has been fair, lawful  and above-board, what cannot be said about NATO/US/EU. 
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March 15, 2014, 09:20:46 AM
Yes we have plenty of oil for the short and medium term.
Thanks for the reminder.

US petroleum reserves will run out in 70 days.

You're talking about Strategic Petroleum Reserve , already mined oil , not entire reserves and which can't even be depleted in 70 days due to pipelines limitations.
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