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legendary
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March 16, 2014, 03:31:36 PM
united european nation
no thankyou, millions did die to be independent they did fight a huge amount of wars, should some bureaucrats(parasites and other corrupt public figures) archive something that even Napoleon dint manage to archive ? nope, EU is a abomination, a Frankenstein and should be removed.

recently in history each time europe made its way to some super state level it was Russians density to stop it and destroy it I wonder if this time again Russians need to deal whit European super nation bullshit dreams
hero member
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in defi we trust
March 16, 2014, 03:20:49 PM
This will send us to the stone age.
no need that far back in time just to 82 bc


I was referring to it economically but i'm sure you've got that.

Romania as a whole united again makes no sense. Who cares about what happened centuries ago. Instead of fighting over land we would be better of working together.

I'd be happy to see a truly united european nation , with moldova and bucovina taking part in it. , rather than a Great Romania.
It's interesting to see how things evolve between Croatia and Slovenia who are now closer than ever Smiley
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March 16, 2014, 03:19:28 PM
Official scores will also be around 90% pro-Russia.
These results come as no surprise, and shouldn't be treated seriously.
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 03:14:30 PM
Crimea Referendum: 93% of voters want Crimea to join Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2WiUzodApg&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg

Just discovered RT channel for myself. Smiley
Chairman of comission said that he has no such info.

They were quoting exit votes, so no, nothing official.
legendary
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
March 16, 2014, 03:11:49 PM
This will send us to the stone age.
no need that far back in time just to 82 bc
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 03:06:48 PM
Nothing official yet?
Nope, counting even didn't started yet.

There are some exit poll results, maybe... But I suppose that exit polls are non-representative.
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March 16, 2014, 03:05:11 PM
Crimea Referendum: 93% of voters want Crimea to join Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2WiUzodApg&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg

Just discovered RT channel for myself. Smiley
Chairman of comission said that he has no such info.

Nothing official yet?
 remember i said 96% Smiley
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 03:03:19 PM
Crimea Referendum: 93% of voters want Crimea to join Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2WiUzodApg&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg

Just discovered RT channel for myself. Smiley
Chairman of comission said that he has no such info.
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 03:02:25 PM
Crimea Referendum: 93% of voters want Crimea to join Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2WiUzodApg&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg

Just discovered RT channel for myself. Smiley
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 02:58:17 PM

Live celebratory concert from Sevastopol. Yay!  Grin
There was a press conference on a first camera. Roll Eyes
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 02:55:49 PM

Live celebratory concert from Sevastopol. Yay!  Grin
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 02:08:45 PM
I am really glad that Western observers in the parliamentarian league were present and that nothing negative can be reported. I am also glad that local authorities managed to prevent any attempts at sabotage, so that voting was conducted in a peaceful fashion.
Observer from Austria just reported that he got some phone calls from home... And his friends said him something which had no relation with the reality. Everything seems as usual... Cheesy

Live cameras here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKzXuYxijVw
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 01:53:37 PM
I am really glad that Western observers in the parliamentarian league were present and that nothing negative can be reported. I am also glad that local authorities managed to prevent any attempts at sabotage, so that voting was conducted in a peaceful fashion.

A small digression, with regard to the historic growth of the map of Ukraine. Just like Belorussia means "White Russia" (some explain it as pure Russians, undiluted by Tatar-Mongol invasion), so does the word "Ukraine" (Укpaинa) have a meaning - "on the outskirts", "at the border", "at the edge", referring to the geographic position of the region relative to Russia.
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March 16, 2014, 01:17:26 PM

i bet now on the blue part

Ukraine never existed like country whit this borders it was a abomination like Yugoslavia I don't know if Hungarians and Romanians want and can ask for some land that was taken away from them

Romanians should make a deal whit Russia to settle transnistria problem get Moldova to join Romania and then make the 1919 "big Romania"



This will send us to the stone age.
Of course it's our dream but , not now. Uniting with Moldova with our and their economy would mean a disaster.

Besides on that map there is a portion of Bulgaria too , but it's missing a part of Hungary that was supposed to be annexed after ww1 and the valley of Timok in Serbia.
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 12:44:55 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS (BBC reporter)

https://twitter.com/sergyaksenov (Crimean prime minister)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKzXuYxijVw (live camera for periodical announcements)

http://img.rt.com/files/news/23/b0/e0/00/observers_480p.mp4?event=download

http://rt.com/news/international-observers-crimea-referendum-190/

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No violations at the Crimea referendum have been reported by the international observers currently present in the republic.

“It’s all quiet so far,” Mateus Psikorkski, the leader of the European observers’ mission and Polish MP told Itar-Tass. “Our observers have not registered any violations of voting rules.”

Another observer, Ewald Stadler, member of the European Parliament, dispelled the “referendum at gunpoint” myth, by saying he felt people were free to make their choice.

“I haven’t seen anything even resembling pressure,” he said. “People themselves want to have their say.”

Many were impressed by the turnout, which appeared to be so high as to have people stand in lines to get to the ballot box in the morning. The turnout for the referendum in Crimea at 17.00 local time (15.00 GMT) was 70 per cent, the referendum’s website said.

"The lines are very long, the turnout is big indeed,” a member of the international observer mission, Bulgarian parliament member Pavel Chernev, said. "Organization and procedures are 100 percent in line with the European standards," he added.

135 international observers have arrived from 23 countries, including Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Latvia and Poland, Crimean authorities said. Among those monitoring the referendum are members of the EU and national European parliaments, international law experts and human rights activists.

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Hours before the referendum started, RT managed to speak to some of those who decided to see for themselves, who’s ballots were going to be cast.

Quite contrary to the mainstream official approach taken by the EU and the US, most of them said they believed the referendum in Crimea was legitimate.

“The US and also the EU, they only respect international law, if it’s in favor of their opinion,” Johann Gudenus, member of the city parliament of Vienna, said. “Our opinion is – if people want to decide their future, they should have the right to do that and the international community should respect that. There is a goal of people in Crimea to vote about their own future. Of course, Kiev is not happy about that, but still they have to accept and to respect the vote of people in Crimea”.

Johannes Hübner, an Austrian MP said he felt he had to come to Crimea to get the real picture of what was happening on the peninsula.

“The view we get from the American and European media is very distorted,” he said. “You get no objective information. So we decided to come here to have a look at what’s really going on and see if this referendum is credible”.

Aymeric Chauprade political scientist and geopolitician from France believes the referendum is justified by Russian and Ukrainian history.

“Yes, I think the referendum is legitimate,” he said. “We are talking about long-term history. We are talking about the Russian people, about the territories of the former USSR with artificial borders. So, I think it’s a legitimate referendum that will give opportunity for this Russian population’s reunification with Russia”.

Tatjana Ždanoka, European parliament MP, representing Latvia, says the fact that the EU and the US refuse to see the referendum as legitimate can only be explained by double standard applied by Western leaders to the situation.

“The European parliament’s resolution demands that Crimeans comply with the Ukrainian constitution and says that the referendum is against that constitution. But that’s the same as to demand Kosovars to comply with the constitution of the former Yugoslavia, which naturally never happened. Double standards are everywhere in global politics. We know it from history. We see it now”.

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The foreign affairs editor from Chronicles Magazine, Srdja Trifkovic, who is also an observer at the Crimean referendum has told RT that he drove from Simferopol to Yalta on Saturday and back and he “didn’t see a single barrel (of a gun) unless you count two speed traps, one on the way out and one on the way back where policemen had guns.”

“The presence of troops on the streets is virtually non-existent and the only thing resembling any such thing is the unarmed middle-aged Cossacks who are positioned outside the parliament building in Simferopol. But if you look at the people both at the voting stations and in the streets, like on Yalta’s sea front yesterday afternoon, frankly I think you would feel more tense in south Chicago or in New York’s Harlem than anywhere round here,” he said.

Trifkovic added that in regard to referendums the western powers function on the basis of situational morality and “not on any firm principle.”

“In 1991 Croatia and Slovenia held illegal referenda to secede from Yugoslavia and by the end of that year the European Union recognized them as independent states. In February of 1992 Bosnia Herzegovina held a referendum in violation of its own constitution and yet in April of that year the US rushed to recognize Bosnia, which still remains an incoherent semi state as we know. And the succession of Kosovo from Serbia has been enthusiastically supported by the United States and its west European partners. And the right to self-determination was upheld ahead of the right of a state to territorial integrity. Well, what is source for the Kosovan goose will certainly prove to be the sauce for the Crimean gander but the United States and Brussels are yet to come to terms with it.”

legendary
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March 16, 2014, 12:44:47 PM

i bet now on the blue part

Ukraine never existed like country whit this borders it was a abomination like Yugoslavia I don't know if Hungarians and Romanians want and can ask for some land that was taken away from them

Romanians should make a deal whit Russia to settle transnistria problem get Moldova to join Romania and then make the 1919 "big Romania"

legendary
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March 16, 2014, 12:20:54 PM
Lenin was an author of Ukrainian SSR project. For this reason it amuses me when "patriotically" minded ukrainian Nazis are trying to demolish the statue of Lenin. As ridiculous as if patriotically minded American wanted to destroy the George Washington monument.
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 11:54:11 AM
Do you guys think Putin has the guts to start invading the eastern border of Ukraine? Possibly heading to Kiev?
imo will take back what Lenin and Stalin did give to the Ukrainian soviet republic on administration
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 11:43:47 AM
Do you guys think Putin has the guts to start invading the eastern border of Ukraine? Possibly heading to Kiev?

In my understanding Russia's agenda (current military doctrine) does not include invading anything. Besides, why invade, when certain regions will be joining of their own free will? The only use the demonstration of military power on the Russian borders has, is to show NATO (US) that if they try to invade, that will not go down unanswered.
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