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Topic: MEMBERS OF ETHEREUM TO RETURN ETC TO DAO INVESTORS PETITION - page 6. (Read 8026 times)

legendary
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If the Ford explorer somehow managed to turn into two Ford explorers I guess we could try comparing situations then.

I guess the point is - why does it matter what happened AFTER the customer/investor got a refund? He/she has no claim to the vehicle or the investment any longer, whether it gains or loses value or produces offsprings or disappears altogether.

The fork refunded the DAO investors. That's what they wanted, that's the solution Vitalik gave them.
hero member
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You can't eat your cake and have. You people clamour for hard fork you have it, now ETC who knows what else you will demand for. The issue will surely drag on with no definite conclusion
legendary
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18 millions dollars isn't a joke....
IF DAO holders wanted to sue - they could put up a really good case and it would then tie alot of things into the mix about using a new chain with an old brand. . I will be surprised if a whale doesn;t sue eventually especially if ETC rises in value more.
I won't sue as i am not a whale in by any means.
However i do want whats rightfully mine and if you do to - PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION

Well, then make up your mind. If you're not going to sue then your empty legal threats don't mean anything.

Have you even talked to the van-de-something white hat guy or do you just get the kick out of stirring shit on the intertubes?
hero member
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OK, it's time for ANALOGIES... (Yaay!)

Guy walks into Ford dealership
Buys Ford Explorer
Drives Ford Explorer
Learns that Ford Explorer is Deathtrap
Returns Ford Explorer to dealer mechanics and gets full refund
Mechanics pimp it up and sell the Ford Explorer to next guy very cheaply

Should original buyer get a cut over and above his original purchase price?

Or is this just crypto? Different rules apply.

If the Ford explorer somehow managed to turn into two Ford explorers I guess we could try comparing situations then.
hero member
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Likely it would be a class action lawsuit and DAO holders could just jump onboard.

It actually might be helpful in the long run for lawsuits to take place. I've read multiple articles about the legal ambiguities the DAO represented. It can only be beneficial for some of these ambiguities to be sorted out so that both contract writers, white hat hackers and investors have a clearer idea of what they are getting into for future projects.
sr. member
Activity: 454
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OK, it's time for ANALOGIES... (Yaay!)

Guy walks into Ford dealership
Buys Ford Explorer
Drives Ford Explorer
Learns that Ford Explorer is Deathtrap
Returns Ford Explorer to dealer mechanics and gets full refund
Mechanics pimp it up and sell the Ford Explorer to next guy very cheaply

Should original buyer get a cut over and above his original purchase price?

Or is this just crypto? Different rules apply.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
Just becouse i was compensated with their new version of a forked ETH doesn't mean i am any less entitled to the original ETC.

Actually yes, it does mean exactly that. Your investment was lost. Some smart guys invented a time machine and "unlost" it. You got your investment back (ETH) from the timeline where the hack (black or white hat) never existed. End of story. Stop creating space-time anomalies by demanding compensation from a different timeline, you'll get us all into a wormhole or a black hole or some kind of a hole.


No, the solution is very simple.
The members of the Ethereum team who acted as white hat and created the child Daos will have access to the ETC funds at this point of time. Just as much as the Black hat DAO who created a child DAO and is now moving his funds around.
Therefore the white hats redistribute the ETC back to its rightful owners AKA DAO holders.

No Wormholes or black holes needed.

Only integrity is needed & the realisation that it would avoid any future legal implications.

ETC is valued at 250 million dollars - 7.2 million ETC is worth so much money........

Why are we debating this ?!

I would suggest that you go ahead with your "legal implications". Don't forget to update this thread with how that works out, e.g. did the lawyers laugh at you immediately or just after they took your money, etc (pun intended).

OP: I want to sue somebody for X million.
Lawyers: Do they owe you?
OP: No, I was paid back what I was owed, but they have something else that's worth so much money and I want it.


18 millions dollars isn't a joke....
IF DAO holders wanted to sue - they could put up a really good case and it would then tie alot of things into the mix about using a new chain with an old brand. . I will be surprised if a whale doesn;t sue eventually especially if ETC rises in value more.
I won't sue as i am not a whale in by any means.
However i do want whats rightfully mine and if you do to - PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION
hero member
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With the complexity of this whole issue of both chains existing and some people having redeemed their DAO for ETH already, how would this even be achieved on a technical level??

That's the most interesting question. I would think the token holders still possess their tokens on the original chain; but, someone with the actual technical knowledge needs to explain that.
sr. member
Activity: 454
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My first question:
Have you redeemed your DAO tokens for ETH (or are you able to)? If so, then why would you expect any ETC?

My second question:
If ETC had died the way it was predicted (and expected) would you be asking for ETC? Are you only petitioning because ETC now has some value?

1)  Because he/she is the rightful owner.

2)  Would it be alive if the ETC opportunist hypocrites couldn't keep & split their respective ETH?

1) That's debatable
2) Who were the opportunists? Some say it was the exchanges

legendary
Activity: 3654
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Just becouse i was compensated with their new version of a forked ETH doesn't mean i am any less entitled to the original ETC.

Actually yes, it does mean exactly that. Your investment was lost. Some smart guys invented a time machine and "unlost" it. You got your investment back (ETH) from the timeline where the hack (black or white hat) never existed. End of story. Stop creating space-time anomalies by demanding compensation from a different timeline, you'll get us all into a wormhole or a black hole or some kind of a hole.


No, the solution is very simple.
The members of the Ethereum team who acted as white hat and created the child Daos will have access to the ETC funds at this point of time. Just as much as the Black hat DAO who created a child DAO and is now moving his funds around.
Therefore the white hats redistribute the ETC back to its rightful owners AKA DAO holders.

No Wormholes or black holes needed.

Only integrity is needed & the realisation that it would avoid any future legal implications.

ETC is valued at 250 million dollars - 7.2 million ETC is worth so much money........

Why are we debating this ?!

I would suggest that you go ahead with your "legal implications". Don't forget to update this thread with how that works out, e.g. did the lawyers laugh at you immediately or just after they took your money, etc (pun intended).

OP: I want to sue somebody for X million.
Lawyers: Do they owe you?
OP: No, I was paid back what I was owed, but they have something else that's worth so much money and I want it.
sr. member
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So your saying that 18 million dollars shouldn't be redistributed back to DAO holder but kept in the hands of a small group of individuals related to the Ethereum team.


Welcome to crypto
sr. member
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With the complexity of this whole issue of both chains existing and some people having redeemed their DAO for ETH already, how would this even be achieved on a technical level??
newbie
Activity: 28
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Just becouse i was compensated with their new version of a forked ETH doesn't mean i am any less entitled to the original ETC.

Actually yes, it does mean exactly that. Your investment was lost. Some smart guys invented a time machine and "unlost" it. You got your investment back (ETH) from the timeline where the hack (black or white hat) never existed. End of story. Stop creating space-time anomalies by demanding compensation from a different timeline, you'll get us all into a wormhole or a black hole or some kind of a hole.


No, the solution is very simple.
The members of the Ethereum team who acted as white hat and created the child Daos will have access to the ETC funds at this point of time. Just as much as the Black hat who created a child DAO and is now moving his funds around.
Therefore the white hats redistribute the ETC back to its rightful owners AKA DAO holders.

No Wormholes or black holes needed.

Only integrity is needed & the realisation that it would avoid any future legal implications.

ETC is valued at 200 million dollars - 7.2 million ETC is worth so much money........18 million dollars at time of writing.
And its only Due to the DAO HOLDERS who got messed around through all this due to Ethereums shoddy DAO coding

So your saying that 18 million dollars shouldn't be redistributed back to DAO holder but kept in the hands of a small group of individuals related to the Ethereum team.
This is insane.

Why are we debating this ?!




sr. member
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My first question:
Have you redeemed your DAO tokens for ETH (or are you able to)? If so, then why would you expect any ETC?

My second question:
If ETC had died the way it was predicted (and expected) would you be asking for ETC? Are you only petitioning because ETC now has some value?
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
Just becouse i was compensated with their new version of a forked ETH doesn't mean i am any less entitled to the original ETC.

Actually yes, it does mean exactly that. Your investment was lost. Some smart guys invented a time machine and "unlost" it. You got your investment back (ETH) from the timeline where the hack (black or white hat) never existed. End of story. Stop creating space-time anomalies by demanding compensation from a different timeline, you'll get us all into a wormhole or a black hole or some kind of a hole.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
it's hard to understand the mETH heads.... really hard.

So, the fork happend to recover the money from investors, right? So, why not give the investors money TO THE INVESTORS?

And they did get their ETH back. The OP however wants to get ETC as well. The evil, criminal, dirty ETC. Unbelievable.

Just becouse there are criminals who use the dollar as a means of exchange, does that make the dollar evil criminal & dirty? Well thats a debate for another time - but no more than ETC in this situation. I put in ETC into the crowdfund (back then known as ETH) which i worked hard to earn and i want my ETC back, NOT in the hands of some tech savvy Eth devs who were meant to protect & return it.
Just becouse i was compensated with their new version of a forked ETH doesn't mean i am any less entitled to the original ETC.

If you are a DAO investor & want your ETC back - PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION
legendary
Activity: 3654
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it's hard to understand the mETH heads.... really hard.

So, the fork happend to recover the money from investors, right? So, why not give the investors money TO THE INVESTORS?

And they did get their ETH back. The OP however wants to get ETC as well. The evil, criminal, dirty ETC. Unbelievable.
legendary
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it's hard to understand the mETH heads.... really hard.

So, the fork happend to recover the money from investors, right? So, why not give the investors money TO THE INVESTORS?
What are you whittering on about? The DAO investors got their investment back. I know, I was one of them.
sr. member
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it's hard to understand the mETH heads.... really hard.

So, the fork happend to recover the money from investors, right? So, why not give the investors money TO THE INVESTORS?
full member
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you know nothing about ethereum, do not pretend  Cheesy

Such a bright future for Ethereum Classic with FUCKIN' MORONS like you on board...   ROFLMAO!   Grin


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