Ethereum Classic is the original chain which DAO investors invested in. The fact it got hard forked & now some ethereum guys have millions of dollars of ETC (Which belong to the DAO investors)which they were meant to protect isn't right! ITS ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL
Topic: MEMBERS OF ETHEREUM TO RETURN ETC TO DAO INVESTORS PETITION - page 8. (Read 8026 times)
Ethereum foundation is not responsible for ETC in any way, people / miners voted 90% in favor of the hard fork, and after the hardfork the real number was 99%, since the main chain had 99% of total hashrate, meaning people that didnt vote, went with the hardfork aswell, otherwise they wouldnt have updated their client and stayed on the non forked chain, or changed to a non fork pool. The argument that "at some point ETC had 30% hashrate" is irrelevant, miners move daily to different pools / projects if they become more profitable.
Dude, im all in for good / altruistric intentions, but you're being unreasonable. ETC, like ETH or bitcoin, is what they earned when they chose to spend all their time working on the project. ETC is also a part of ethereum foundation's funds, ETC exist because they developed it so far, now it's not their responsability anymore. If they decide to make updates for ethereum compatible with ETC, that comes for free and you should be thankful, but that's it.
Dude, im all in for good / altruistric intentions, but you're being unreasonable. ETC, like ETH or bitcoin, is what they earned when they chose to spend all their time working on the project. ETC is also a part of ethereum foundation's funds, ETC exist because they developed it so far, now it's not their responsability anymore. If they decide to make updates for ethereum compatible with ETC, that comes for free and you should be thankful, but that's it.
Really???
What is the definition of a 'white hat attacker'.
If the definition is to prevent a black hat attacker taking more funds so they can keep it for themselves then you have a warped version of the term 'white hat hacker'.
I don;t disagree with giving the white hat hackers a carrot - ONLY if they return ETC back to its rightful owners legitimising good/alturistic intentions.
OTHERWISE they are the same as the black hats!
What is the definition of a 'white hat attacker'.
If the definition is to prevent a black hat attacker taking more funds so they can keep it for themselves then you have a warped version of the term 'white hat hacker'.
I don;t disagree with giving the white hat hackers a carrot - ONLY if they return ETC back to its rightful owners legitimising good/alturistic intentions.
OTHERWISE they are the same as the black hats!
I'm totally gud with the whitehat earning their ETC. At least they did it legitably with gud honest intentions unlike the dirty gud for nothing thief. I won't sign your petition and will continue to discourage others.
Q: Who are the Ethereum/DAO white hat hackers?
A: The public face of The Goodies (or Robin Hood as referred to in Update on the White Hat attack) is Alex Van de Sande. The other members have not been revealed to the public.
While he is not working on behalf of his employer as part of The Goodies, he is lead designer at the Ethereum Foundation. He is spearheading the Wallet and Mist project with the Go Ethereum team.
Q: How can the community be assured that they can be trusted?
While
Everyone in this group acted as an individual and did not represent or received the endorsements of their employers.
I, and most Ethereum users, have already given him (the public face of The Goodies) the trust as we are already running the binary programs on our computers to interact with the Ethereum network. He, and the colleagues he works with in his normal employment, is already in a position where he could engineer the software running on your computer to steal all the private keys from your computer, along with any other juicy information you hold on your computer.
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I don;t agree with your 'survival of the fittest' statement. The white hat hackers are very close to the Ethereum team if not in the Ethereum team.
Therefore they have the responsibility to give back what is not rightfully theirs. WE ARE TALKING MILLIONS & MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. ITS GRAND LARSON - ITS ILLEGAL, IMMORAL AND UNETHICAL.
A: The public face of The Goodies (or Robin Hood as referred to in Update on the White Hat attack) is Alex Van de Sande. The other members have not been revealed to the public.
While he is not working on behalf of his employer as part of The Goodies, he is lead designer at the Ethereum Foundation. He is spearheading the Wallet and Mist project with the Go Ethereum team.
Q: How can the community be assured that they can be trusted?
While
Everyone in this group acted as an individual and did not represent or received the endorsements of their employers.
I, and most Ethereum users, have already given him (the public face of The Goodies) the trust as we are already running the binary programs on our computers to interact with the Ethereum network. He, and the colleagues he works with in his normal employment, is already in a position where he could engineer the software running on your computer to steal all the private keys from your computer, along with any other juicy information you hold on your computer.
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I don;t agree with your 'survival of the fittest' statement. The white hat hackers are very close to the Ethereum team if not in the Ethereum team.
Therefore they have the responsibility to give back what is not rightfully theirs. WE ARE TALKING MILLIONS & MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. ITS GRAND LARSON - ITS ILLEGAL, IMMORAL AND UNETHICAL.
Huh ? The "whitehat" attackers, first of all, are unknown. Secondly, if these whitehat attackers, whoever they are, earned their 7.2mil ether legit, they used the same loophole the first atacker did so what's the problem ? I mean, IF ETC community thinks first DAO attacker earned it honestly, why would they want whitehat's to return what they earned ? Why is it right for the first attacker and wrong for them ? It's survival of the fittest on ETC blockchain, the stronger survives, if he's better than others then he / they deserve it all.
Why would the foundation give their ETC to those that suffered loses because of the DAO ? LOL, ethereum foundation is not charitable foundation. Now there's ethereum, the main chain with the theft removed and the WILDWEST ETC. If you chose to stay on ETC and sold your ETH, that's a choice. Or you bought in what the shills said "ETC is the new ETH" and you were dumped on ?
Why would the foundation give their ETC to those that suffered loses because of the DAO ? LOL, ethereum foundation is not charitable foundation. Now there's ethereum, the main chain with the theft removed and the WILDWEST ETC. If you chose to stay on ETC and sold your ETH, that's a choice. Or you bought in what the shills said "ETC is the new ETH" and you were dumped on ?
SIGN THE PETITION BELOW
https://www.change.org/p/ethereum-foundation-members-of-ethereum-team-white-hats-to-return-etc-to-dao-holders
DAO Investors & ETC
On June 17, 2016, the attacker found a loophole in The DAO's smart contract. With a new smart contract, the attacker what able to drain most of the funded ETH into a child DAO called "The Dark DAO".
The event created great turmoil in the Ethereum community, Which forced the community to act within 28 days, otherwise the funds would potentially be lost. The community acted and with strong consensus and the opt for a hard fork.
While most people were happy, others felt did the immutability of the network Which compromised. Out of philosophy, the Ethereum Classic project was born, the project would keep the original block chain alive.Fabian fowler, lead developer at Dapp Ethereum, Stated in a public post:
"We know the curator of the Attacker DAO with 3.5M ether, now 7.2 ether are safe in a DAO where we THEREFORE know the curator. With a temporary soft Fork all this ether can be send to a refund contract and the nightmare is over! "
THE white hat hackers now have control of over 7.2 million ETC Which belong to investors of the DAO.
The address used by Ethereum's developers can be found here, and at press time, it had amassed more than 4m ethers, worth Approximately $ 48m.
http://etherscan.io/address/0xb136707642a4ea12fb4bae820f03d2562ebff487
HOWEVER, funds from The DAO havealso been sent to this address, though Whether it is tied to the alleged attack or is Involved with the ethereum developer efforts is unclear. This address had amassed more than $ 140k worth of ether.
https://etherscan.io/address/0x4613f3bca5c44ea06337a9e439fbc6d42e501d0a#internaltx
A third address has ran thus amassed funds from The DAO, collecting Roughly $ 820,000 at press time.
http://etherscan.io/address/0xf4c64518ea10f995918a454158c6b61407ea345c#internaltx
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Q: Who are the Ethereum/DAO white hat hackers?
A:The public face of The Goodies (or Robin Hood as referred to in Update on the White Hat attack) is Alex Van de Sande ( Lined out - Based On His Reddit Post). The other members have not been revealed to the public.
While he is not working on behalf of his employer as part of The Goodies, he is lead designer at the Ethereum Foundation. He is spearheading the Wallet and Mist project with the Go Ethereum team.
Q: How can the community be assured that they can be trusted?
While
Everyone in this group acted as an individual and did not represent or received the endorsements of their employers.
I, and most Ethereum users, have already given him (the public face of The Goodies) the trust as we are already running the binary programs on our computers to interact with the Ethereum network. He, and the colleagues he works with in his normal employment, is already in a position where he could engineer the software running on your computer to steal all the private keys from your computer, along with any other juicy information you hold on your computer.
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UPDATE 08/08/2016
Q - Who are the White hat group ?
"I wouldn't call myself part of the Robin Hood Group, not because I’m afraid of legal consequences or ashamed of it, but because I don’t think I’m worthy of that title. The guys who made the DAO counter attack were able to create attack vectors much more sophisticated than the original attacker developed, and created new ways to twist it so that the original attacker couldn’t counterattack. They set up active running scripts that at some point were constantly draining the dao to 1 wei, to capture any ether the attacker sent to the DAO to set up a new attack. I would never be able to do any of this. While I did a small part in helping the original counterattack, I’ve also been told that since the first attack most of the original group splintered and only a few kept pushing forward. I haven’t participated since that day, I don’t control any of the private keys to any relevant addresses, I had recent contact with them, but since the main goal was accomplish I don’t intend to keep contact and I certainly don’t want to be seen as their spokeperson for the next step..
Also, even the small part I did, I acted as an individual, not as part of the Ethereum Foundation. I never told Vitalik about my plans and when Ming, the Executive Director, asked me about it I refused to tell her, so that the Foundation wouldn’t be in any way implicated or active in this.
Last time I spoke to the White Hat Group about the status they had told me the attacker was able to run off with a big part of the funds and while they had recently won some battles, the funds were far from secure as they were still aware of possible attacks – which is why I didn’t want to make any public comment on that matter, otherwise the attention could jeopardize this whole thing. IMHO part of the reason they were more successful now was because the DAO had less value and was under a lot less scrutiny since the fork, I doubt such attack would be successful had the fork not taken place."
Alex Van de Sande statement can be read below .
https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4wnn3k/alex_van_de_sande_uavsa_and_the_rest_of_the_robin/d68wfen
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UPDATE 09/08/2016
The whitehats have moved funds into what looks like the bytecode of a wallet contract on ETC.
http://blocks.elaineou.com/addr/0x1ac729d2db43103faf213cb9371d6b42ea7a830f#tab_addr_3
BREAKING NEWS - ETC TO BE DISTRIBUTED BACK TO DAO INVESTORS 10/08/2016
https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4wyk47/re_the_etc_salvaged_from_attackdaos/
https://twitter.com/eth_classic/status/763202407400673280
"We, as community members and because of the impending emergency, volunteered to secure the ETC that was immobilised in the “attackDAOs” after the “Robin Hood Group” disbanded.
Our number 1 goal is to ensure that the funds are distributed in a fair, transparent and just manner. Attempts have been made to convince us to manipulate the market and the distribution of funds for private individuals’ profit. We have refused to do so and are committed to treat every concerned party equitably and in a fair manner. We have been, and still are, in the process of seeking legal advice.
Achieving this will take time and thought to consider all of the reasonable options in the interest of all the concerned members of the various communities."
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This petition sets out to call to the specific members who are part of the Ethereum foundation/team to access the ETC funds & redistribute to the DAO holders. This would be the legal, moral and ethical route of action especially considering the turmoil Which the DAO investors had to face.
Please sign.
Thank you
DAO Investor
Other related posts & articles
https://medium.com/@jackfru1t/the-robin-hood-group-and-etc-bdc6a0c111c3#.be2aj8pl7 - Good article which summarises events
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4xasg3/follow_up_statement_on_the_etc_salvaged_from/?st=irrtyomt&sh=ef321958 - Follow up statement by white hats for transferring funds to Poloniex
https://blog.bity.com/2016/08/13/the-white-hats-and-dao-wars-behind-the-scenes/ - Legal firm - Bity
https://www.change.org/p/ethereum-foundation-members-of-ethereum-team-white-hats-to-return-etc-to-dao-holders
https://www.change.org/p/ethereum-foundation-members-of-ethereum-team-white-hats-to-return-etc-to-dao-holders
DAO Investors & ETC
On June 17, 2016, the attacker found a loophole in The DAO's smart contract. With a new smart contract, the attacker what able to drain most of the funded ETH into a child DAO called "The Dark DAO".
The event created great turmoil in the Ethereum community, Which forced the community to act within 28 days, otherwise the funds would potentially be lost. The community acted and with strong consensus and the opt for a hard fork.
While most people were happy, others felt did the immutability of the network Which compromised. Out of philosophy, the Ethereum Classic project was born, the project would keep the original block chain alive.Fabian fowler, lead developer at Dapp Ethereum, Stated in a public post:
"We know the curator of the Attacker DAO with 3.5M ether, now 7.2 ether are safe in a DAO where we THEREFORE know the curator. With a temporary soft Fork all this ether can be send to a refund contract and the nightmare is over! "
THE white hat hackers now have control of over 7.2 million ETC Which belong to investors of the DAO.
The address used by Ethereum's developers can be found here, and at press time, it had amassed more than 4m ethers, worth Approximately $ 48m.
http://etherscan.io/address/0xb136707642a4ea12fb4bae820f03d2562ebff487
HOWEVER, funds from The DAO havealso been sent to this address, though Whether it is tied to the alleged attack or is Involved with the ethereum developer efforts is unclear. This address had amassed more than $ 140k worth of ether.
https://etherscan.io/address/0x4613f3bca5c44ea06337a9e439fbc6d42e501d0a#internaltx
A third address has ran thus amassed funds from The DAO, collecting Roughly $ 820,000 at press time.
http://etherscan.io/address/0xf4c64518ea10f995918a454158c6b61407ea345c#internaltx
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Q: Who are the Ethereum/DAO white hat hackers?
A:
While he is not working on behalf of his employer as part of The Goodies, he is lead designer at the Ethereum Foundation. He is spearheading the Wallet and Mist project with the Go Ethereum team.
Q: How can the community be assured that they can be trusted?
While
Everyone in this group acted as an individual and did not represent or received the endorsements of their employers.
I, and most Ethereum users, have already given him (the public face of The Goodies) the trust as we are already running the binary programs on our computers to interact with the Ethereum network. He, and the colleagues he works with in his normal employment, is already in a position where he could engineer the software running on your computer to steal all the private keys from your computer, along with any other juicy information you hold on your computer.
-------------------------------------------------------
UPDATE 08/08/2016
Q - Who are the White hat group ?
"I wouldn't call myself part of the Robin Hood Group, not because I’m afraid of legal consequences or ashamed of it, but because I don’t think I’m worthy of that title. The guys who made the DAO counter attack were able to create attack vectors much more sophisticated than the original attacker developed, and created new ways to twist it so that the original attacker couldn’t counterattack. They set up active running scripts that at some point were constantly draining the dao to 1 wei, to capture any ether the attacker sent to the DAO to set up a new attack. I would never be able to do any of this. While I did a small part in helping the original counterattack, I’ve also been told that since the first attack most of the original group splintered and only a few kept pushing forward. I haven’t participated since that day, I don’t control any of the private keys to any relevant addresses, I had recent contact with them, but since the main goal was accomplish I don’t intend to keep contact and I certainly don’t want to be seen as their spokeperson for the next step..
Also, even the small part I did, I acted as an individual, not as part of the Ethereum Foundation. I never told Vitalik about my plans and when Ming, the Executive Director, asked me about it I refused to tell her, so that the Foundation wouldn’t be in any way implicated or active in this.
Last time I spoke to the White Hat Group about the status they had told me the attacker was able to run off with a big part of the funds and while they had recently won some battles, the funds were far from secure as they were still aware of possible attacks – which is why I didn’t want to make any public comment on that matter, otherwise the attention could jeopardize this whole thing. IMHO part of the reason they were more successful now was because the DAO had less value and was under a lot less scrutiny since the fork, I doubt such attack would be successful had the fork not taken place."
Alex Van de Sande statement can be read below .
https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4wnn3k/alex_van_de_sande_uavsa_and_the_rest_of_the_robin/d68wfen
-------------------------------------------------------
UPDATE 09/08/2016
The whitehats have moved funds into what looks like the bytecode of a wallet contract on ETC.
http://blocks.elaineou.com/addr/0x1ac729d2db43103faf213cb9371d6b42ea7a830f#tab_addr_3
BREAKING NEWS - ETC TO BE DISTRIBUTED BACK TO DAO INVESTORS 10/08/2016
https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4wyk47/re_the_etc_salvaged_from_attackdaos/
https://twitter.com/eth_classic/status/763202407400673280
"We, as community members and because of the impending emergency, volunteered to secure the ETC that was immobilised in the “attackDAOs” after the “Robin Hood Group” disbanded.
Our number 1 goal is to ensure that the funds are distributed in a fair, transparent and just manner. Attempts have been made to convince us to manipulate the market and the distribution of funds for private individuals’ profit. We have refused to do so and are committed to treat every concerned party equitably and in a fair manner. We have been, and still are, in the process of seeking legal advice.
Achieving this will take time and thought to consider all of the reasonable options in the interest of all the concerned members of the various communities."
-----------------------------------------------------
This petition sets out to call to the specific members who are part of the Ethereum foundation/team to access the ETC funds & redistribute to the DAO holders. This would be the legal, moral and ethical route of action especially considering the turmoil Which the DAO investors had to face.
Please sign.
Thank you
DAO Investor
Other related posts & articles
https://medium.com/@jackfru1t/the-robin-hood-group-and-etc-bdc6a0c111c3#.be2aj8pl7 - Good article which summarises events
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4xasg3/follow_up_statement_on_the_etc_salvaged_from/?st=irrtyomt&sh=ef321958 - Follow up statement by white hats for transferring funds to Poloniex
https://blog.bity.com/2016/08/13/the-white-hats-and-dao-wars-behind-the-scenes/ - Legal firm - Bity
https://www.change.org/p/ethereum-foundation-members-of-ethereum-team-white-hats-to-return-etc-to-dao-holders
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