Topic: MemoryDealers aka Roger Ver Arrested! - page 2. (Read 1726 times)

Not sure who told you that but it was 100% wrong.
Does not matter where income / profit come from it all has to be declared.

This is absolutely right, my lecturer was a woman who was in charge on these things and she told me that they simply didn't know what to do with Bitcoin and in my country, for that reason, she told me that she (and her team) lets people to not pay taxes because first of all, they don't know what to do with it and second of all, if people make money, let them make money without taxing only in this case, for a while.

Actually the IRS rules are pretty straight forward. I've never had any problems following them in dealing with my BTC earnings and transactions.

Then again - I'm not a mega millionaire hell bent on looking for every legal loophole and trying questionable interpretations of them to try and evade taxes.

This is absolutely right, my lecturer was a woman who was in charge on these things and she told me that they simply didn't know what to do with Bitcoin and in my country, for that reason, she told me that she (and her team) lets people to not pay taxes because first of all, they don't know what to do with it and second of all, if people make money, let them make money without taxing only in this case, for a while.

Never go to any of the US-allied countries if you owe tax money to the US. The outcome wouldn't have been any different if he had visited Portugal or Germany instead of Spain. They caught the btc-e CEO in which country? Greece? They can get you anywhere unless you are in Russia/China.

The better solution is: don't get indebted to the US.

Al Capone couldn't get away, McAfee couldn't get away. You won't get away too.

The problem is, people didn’t know what to do with their gains on bitcoin back in the day. We are talking about the 2013-2014 era if I am not mistaken. During those years, what was the US’ position on bitcoin? Most legal authorities didn’t know what to do with it. Coinbase (the exchange) was only 1 year old. Bitcoin itself was 5 years old. Let alone the taxman, nobody really knew shit.

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Topic will be updated with more information later, but I am interested to hear your opinion about this.

As far as I can see he logged on to the forum yesterday, which I find laughable. He's in jail and has access to the internet? I hope it's somehow controlled for a very limited time per day like the time you're allowed to make a phone call. Mostly because crimes can be committed over the internet. If you are deprived of physical freedom you should be deprived of freedom in cyberspace.

Taxes are taxes. We should do our duty to pay them, even if we don't like how "unfair" the system is. What's best? To pay taxes and live "free" (as in liberty)? Or evade them and face serious consequences in the long run?

Roger Ver made a mistake by revealing his identity to the public. If he were anonymous, he'd have a higher chance of not getting arrested. Even so, I believe he should've paid his taxes to settle things once and for all with the IRS. Now he's ultimately paying the price of what he did. Expect to see other crypto players getting arrested by the US government as it expands its outreach. Perhaps, this will force the crypto industry to move somewhere else?

They can get you anywhere unless you are in Russia/China.

Never go to any of the US-allied countries if you owe tax money to the US. The outcome wouldn't have been any different if he had visited Portugal or Germany instead of Spain. They caught the btc-e CEO in which country? Greece? They can get you anywhere unless you are in Russia/China.

The better solution is: don't get indebted to the US.

Al Capone couldn't get away, McAfee couldn't get away. You won't get away too.

Lesson, never go to Spain.

I never liked Roger, especially after that video where he showed us the finger, but what amazes me is that he sold so many BTC for less than $1k - that's one.

I would not defend Roger in any matter, but this is just another confirmation of why anonymity is important.

But yep, taxes and all the laws regarding them are indeed crazy in the US.  However, in other countries the actual tax rates are even higher (though I don't know how complex the laws are, or how fucking hard they make it for the average person to file their taxes without resorting to expensive software or hiring an accountant).  I don't think the IRS is looking to put people in jail necessarily, but they just make doing your taxes unnecessarily difficult/costly as I just said.  The amount of money involved in this case is huge, but for "little people" who owe back taxes or get caught up in tax issues, the IRS usually settles with them in the form of a fine, penalties, whatever and they don't end up in prison.

Well they both went to Spain.

For 99%+ of the population of the US income taxes (the IRS) are actually easy. It's just that most people get caught up in the 'you need to have an accountant' or the 'you need a tax professional' For under $50 you can get software that will do it all for you. Even moderately complex things like crypto trading.

As for not paying your taxes most of the time there is no penalty if you don't not pay on a regular basis. Keep it up and they will nail you. Mess up here and there and you will own whatever you owe + interest. The flip side is also true, if you mess up and the government owes you money you get (minimal) interest.

Yes you can always get 'that guy' who works for the IRS who wants to nail you to the wall. But for the most part it's not that bad.

Stale / local / sales tax / property tax and all those other things are different but not really part of this discussion.

-Dave

I really don't understand one thing: he made all these efforts, like you say, to renounce to his American citizenship because of tax reasons, I understand it, it makes sense, but then why would you keep your American companies, so you are still tied to the US anyway, and, especially, why do you lie on the tax returns? A guy like Roger Ver was probably already flagged for different reasons, did he really didn't think that the IRS would find out? We are talking about huge numbers, this is not the average Joe trying to save a couple of hundred bucks. I really don't get it.

I just stumbled across this thread, and *wow* I'm blown away at the charges but somehow not entirely surprised by the alleged behavior on the part of Ver.  I'd no clue that he'd become an ex-pat, either.

But yep, taxes and all the laws regarding them are indeed crazy in the US.  However, in other countries the actual tax rates are even higher (though I don't know how complex the laws are, or how fucking hard they make it for the average person to file their taxes without resorting to expensive software or hiring an accountant).  I don't think the IRS is looking to put people in jail necessarily, but they just make doing your taxes unnecessarily difficult/costly as I just said.  The amount of money involved in this case is huge, but for "little people" who owe back taxes or get caught up in tax issues, the IRS usually settles with them in the form of a fine, penalties, whatever and they don't end up in prison.


No offense to the younger generation, but that has a lot to do with immaturity in a lot of cases--Roger Ver is an exception if he flaunted his wealth, but I have heard tell of a lot of young, crypto-wealthy people making it known on social media what their financial situation is, how rich they are, and even if they didn't get in trouble with the IRS, they got robbed.  Plus even if Ver weren't vocal about his wealth, I'm sure the IRS would have had its eyes on him anyway and they've got enough investigative power such that they don't need to resort to following his escapades online, you know?

i thought it was just a proposal still, they must have approved the bill on Sunday night session.
last news i heard it was 25% for unrealized gains so there it goes. it's official and Ver is the first to be set as an example. just look at how much effort he made to the extent of renouncing his U.S. citizenship but seems like he will be expatriated to pay.  

not sure if he knows that he is required to report to the IRS even when he isn't a US citizen anymore. all the troubles seem nothing has changed. feel sorry for him. it's their law though.

For 99%+ of the population of the US income taxes (the IRS) are actually easy. It's just that most people get caught up in the 'you need to have an accountant' or the 'you need a tax professional' For under $50 you can get software that will do it all for you. Even moderately complex things like crypto trading.

As for not paying your taxes most of the time there is no penalty if you don't not pay on a regular basis. Keep it up and they will nail you. Mess up here and there and you will own whatever you owe + interest. The flip side is also true, if you mess up and the government owes you money you get (minimal) interest.

Yes you can always get 'that guy' who works for the IRS who wants to nail you to the wall. But for the most part it's not that bad.

Stale / local / sales tax / property tax and all those other things are different but not really part of this discussion.

-Dave

But yep, taxes and all the laws regarding them are indeed crazy in the US.  However, in other countries the actual tax rates are even higher (though I don't know how complex the laws are, or how fucking hard they make it for the average person to file their taxes without resorting to expensive software or hiring an accountant).  I don't think the IRS is looking to put people in jail necessarily, but they just make doing your taxes unnecessarily difficult/costly as I just said.  The amount of money involved in this case is huge, but for "little people" who owe back taxes or get caught up in tax issues, the IRS usually settles with them in the form of a fine, penalties, whatever and they don't end up in prison.