The US authorities have detained both Samourai developers and Roger Ver within a single week. Some might see this as mere coincidence, but I believe it sends a clear message. The state is officially declaring a war on cryptocurrencies. Expect further arrests in the future.
The DoJ has kicked the hornet's nest, and the swarm is headed towards us.
Topic: MemoryDealers aka Roger Ver Arrested! - page 7. (Read 1715 times)
I never liked Roger, especially after that video where he showed us the finger, but what amazes me is that he sold so many BTC for less than $1k - that's one.
Then the part where he changed citizenship and was required to pay exit tax - like WTF? The country bullies you, you decide you don't want to live there anymore, so they want you to pay them for leaving? What kind of law is that? I'm sure many people aren't even aware of such rule.
It's also amazing that Ver hasn't been a US citizen for a decade and they come up with that right now? I feel like this isn't a coincidence and either some model citizen reminded the IRS about him, or maybe it has something to do with the recent attack on bitcoin wallets.
Then the part where he changed citizenship and was required to pay exit tax - like WTF? The country bullies you, you decide you don't want to live there anymore, so they want you to pay them for leaving? What kind of law is that? I'm sure many people aren't even aware of such rule.
It's also amazing that Ver hasn't been a US citizen for a decade and they come up with that right now? I feel like this isn't a coincidence and either some model citizen reminded the IRS about him, or maybe it has something to do with the recent attack on bitcoin wallets.
The Uniited States tax laws are insane. Despite several attempts to try and wrap my head around it, I hit a brick wall every time. It seems like a design intended to indict people rather than make the process easier for them, you have to figure out what to do and when to do it, otherwise you'll face prosecution.
Let's see as more details unfold regarding this case.
- Jay -
Let's see as more details unfold regarding this case.
- Jay -
i thought it was just a proposal still, they must have approved the bill on Sunday night session.
last news i heard it was 25% for unrealized gains so there it goes. it's official and Ver is the first to be set as an example. just look at how much effort he made to the extent of renouncing his U.S. citizenship but seems like he will be expatriated to pay.
not sure if he knows that he is required to report to the IRS even when he isn't a US citizen anymore. all the troubles seem nothing has changed. feel sorry for him. it's their law though.
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Early Bitcoin Investor Charged with Tax Fraud
Man Known as “Bitcoin Jesus” Evaded Nearly $50M in Taxes
Man Known as “Bitcoin Jesus” Evaded Nearly $50M in Taxes
When I bought my first bitcoin in mid-2017 it was during the Fork wars. This guy was basically living to spread fake information and make money with that fork and market manipulation.
I am impressed none of those BCH activists had legal problems with all that drama...
50M in taxes is a lot of money... I wonder if this was just an excuse to arrest him, or if he really evaded all that.
The Uniited States tax laws are insane. Despite several attempts to try and wrap my head around it, I hit a brick wall every time. It seems like a design intended to indict people rather than make the process easier for them, you have to figure out what to do and when to do it, otherwise you'll face prosecution....
Actually the IRS rules are pretty straight forward. I've never had any problems following them in dealing with my BTC earnings and transactions.Then again - I'm not a mega millionaire hell bent on looking for every legal loophole and trying questionable interpretations of them to try and evade taxes.
The Uniited States tax laws are insane. Despite several attempts to try and wrap my head around it, I hit a brick wall every time. It seems like a design intended to indict people rather than make the process easier for them, you have to figure out what to do and when to do it, otherwise you'll face prosecution.
Let's see as more details unfold regarding this case.
- Jay -
Let's see as more details unfold regarding this case.
- Jay -
We are officially at war!
One of the Bitcointalk forum members known as MemoryDealers aka Roger Ver was allegedly arrested in Spain for tax fraud.
Everyone knows him since the early days of Bitcoin, and later he supported BCH as one of the bitcoin forks with larger block size.
I was never one of his supporters but I respect what he did in early says of Bitcoin.
This was his last post in bitcointalk forum:
Topic will be updated with more information later, but I am interested to hear your opinion about this.
One of the Bitcointalk forum members known as MemoryDealers aka Roger Ver was allegedly arrested in Spain for tax fraud.
Everyone knows him since the early days of Bitcoin, and later he supported BCH as one of the bitcoin forks with larger block size.
I was never one of his supporters but I respect what he did in early says of Bitcoin.
This was his last post in bitcointalk forum:
You can see what you described at https://map.bitcoin.com/, although many places are using Bitcoin Cash over Bitcoin at this point due to the poor user experience on BTC.
I wrote a whole book on what happened too: https://www.amazon.com/Hijacking-Bitcoin-Hidden-History-BTC/dp/B0CXWBCWDR/ref=zg_bs_g_10806607011_d_sccl_1/133-2063248-2793037?psc=1
I wrote a whole book on what happened too: https://www.amazon.com/Hijacking-Bitcoin-Hidden-History-BTC/dp/B0CXWBCWDR/ref=zg_bs_g_10806607011_d_sccl_1/133-2063248-2793037?psc=1
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Early Bitcoin Investor Charged with Tax Fraud
Man Known as “Bitcoin Jesus” Evaded Nearly $50M in Taxes
WASHINGTON – An indictment was unsealed yesterday charging Roger Ver, an early investor in bitcoins, with mail fraud, tax evasion and filing false tax returns. Ver was arrested this weekend in Spain based on the U.S. criminal charges. The United States will seek Ver’s extradition to stand trial in the United States.
According to the indictment, Ver formerly of Santa Clara, California, owned MemoryDealers.com Inc. and Agilestar.com Inc., two companies that sold computer and networking equipment. Starting in 2011, Ver allegedly began acquiring bitcoins for himself and his companies. He also allegedly avidly promoted bitcoins, even obtaining the moniker “Bitcoin Jesus.”
On Feb. 4, 2014, Ver allegedly obtained citizenship in St. Kitts and Nevis and shortly thereafter renounced his U.S. citizenship in a process known as expatriation. As a result of his expatriation, Ver allegedly was required under U.S. law to file tax returns that reported capital gains from the constructive sale of his world-wide assets, including the bitcoins, and to report the fair market value of his assets. He was also allegedly required to pay a tax – referred to as an “exit tax” – on those capital gains. By Feb. 4, 2014, Ver and his companies allegedly owned approximately 131,000 bitcoins that traded on several large exchanges for around $871 each. MemoryDealers and Agilestar allegedly held approximately 73,000 of those bitcoins.
Ver allegedly hired a law firm to assist him with his expatriation and to prepare his expatriation-related tax returns. Ver also allegedly hired an appraiser to value his two companies. Ver allegedly provided or caused to be provided false or misleading information to the law firm and appraiser that concealed the true number of bitcoins he and his companies owned. As a result, the law firm allegedly prepared and filed false tax returns that substantially undervalued the two companies and their 73,000 bitcoins and did not report that Ver owned any bitcoins personally.
The indictment further alleges that by June 2017, Ver’s two companies continued to own approximately 70,000 bitcoins. Around that time, Ver allegedly took possession of those bitcoins and in November 2017 sold tens of thousands of them on cryptocurrency exchanges for approximately $240 million in cash. Even though Ver was not then a U.S. citizen, he was still legally required to report to the IRS and pay tax on certain distributions such as dividends from MemoryDealers and Agilestar, which were U.S. corporations. Ver allegedly concealed from his accountant that he had received and sold MemoryDealers’ and Agilestar’s bitcoins that year. As a result, Ver’s 2017 individual income tax return did not report any gain or pay any tax related to the distribution of MemoryDealers’ and Agilestar’s bitcoins to him.
In total, Ver is alleged to have caused a loss to the IRS of at least $48 million.
Acting Deputy Assistant Attorney General Stuart M. Goldberg of the Justice Department’s Tax Division and U.S. Attorney Martin Estrada for the Central District of California made the announcement.
IRS Criminal Investigation's cybercrimes unit is investigating the case.
Assistant Chief Matthew J. Kluge and Trial Attorney Peter J. Anthony of the Justice Department’s Tax Division and Assistant U.S. Attorney James. C. Hughes for the Central District of California are prosecuting the case.
An indictment is merely an allegation. All defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/early-bitcoin-investor-charged-tax-fraudMan Known as “Bitcoin Jesus” Evaded Nearly $50M in Taxes
WASHINGTON – An indictment was unsealed yesterday charging Roger Ver, an early investor in bitcoins, with mail fraud, tax evasion and filing false tax returns. Ver was arrested this weekend in Spain based on the U.S. criminal charges. The United States will seek Ver’s extradition to stand trial in the United States.
According to the indictment, Ver formerly of Santa Clara, California, owned MemoryDealers.com Inc. and Agilestar.com Inc., two companies that sold computer and networking equipment. Starting in 2011, Ver allegedly began acquiring bitcoins for himself and his companies. He also allegedly avidly promoted bitcoins, even obtaining the moniker “Bitcoin Jesus.”
On Feb. 4, 2014, Ver allegedly obtained citizenship in St. Kitts and Nevis and shortly thereafter renounced his U.S. citizenship in a process known as expatriation. As a result of his expatriation, Ver allegedly was required under U.S. law to file tax returns that reported capital gains from the constructive sale of his world-wide assets, including the bitcoins, and to report the fair market value of his assets. He was also allegedly required to pay a tax – referred to as an “exit tax” – on those capital gains. By Feb. 4, 2014, Ver and his companies allegedly owned approximately 131,000 bitcoins that traded on several large exchanges for around $871 each. MemoryDealers and Agilestar allegedly held approximately 73,000 of those bitcoins.
Ver allegedly hired a law firm to assist him with his expatriation and to prepare his expatriation-related tax returns. Ver also allegedly hired an appraiser to value his two companies. Ver allegedly provided or caused to be provided false or misleading information to the law firm and appraiser that concealed the true number of bitcoins he and his companies owned. As a result, the law firm allegedly prepared and filed false tax returns that substantially undervalued the two companies and their 73,000 bitcoins and did not report that Ver owned any bitcoins personally.
The indictment further alleges that by June 2017, Ver’s two companies continued to own approximately 70,000 bitcoins. Around that time, Ver allegedly took possession of those bitcoins and in November 2017 sold tens of thousands of them on cryptocurrency exchanges for approximately $240 million in cash. Even though Ver was not then a U.S. citizen, he was still legally required to report to the IRS and pay tax on certain distributions such as dividends from MemoryDealers and Agilestar, which were U.S. corporations. Ver allegedly concealed from his accountant that he had received and sold MemoryDealers’ and Agilestar’s bitcoins that year. As a result, Ver’s 2017 individual income tax return did not report any gain or pay any tax related to the distribution of MemoryDealers’ and Agilestar’s bitcoins to him.
In total, Ver is alleged to have caused a loss to the IRS of at least $48 million.
Acting Deputy Assistant Attorney General Stuart M. Goldberg of the Justice Department’s Tax Division and U.S. Attorney Martin Estrada for the Central District of California made the announcement.
IRS Criminal Investigation's cybercrimes unit is investigating the case.
Assistant Chief Matthew J. Kluge and Trial Attorney Peter J. Anthony of the Justice Department’s Tax Division and Assistant U.S. Attorney James. C. Hughes for the Central District of California are prosecuting the case.
An indictment is merely an allegation. All defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.
Topic will be updated with more information later, but I am interested to hear your opinion about this.
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