Topic: Merit abuse. 50+12 merits received within 1 day and 1 minute. - page 3. (Read 1402 times)

nullius comes to mind.

I would kill for that title.
Pwetty pwetty please, theymos, rename me my title to "Legendary Detonator"!

I'll even pay you 100 merit for that

P.S.: I don't actually have 100 merit to spend, so a Scammer tag would serve me right along with the title.

My German is weak. You did not discover America. I did not do that translation. I was asked to publish this translation by a person, because he has the lowest status on the forum and he does not display pictures



I know that the person who did this translation showed his work to a person for whom the German language is native. And this man approved his translation. Perhaps he had some terms that he did not translate as it is generally accepted. But I do not doubt that his translation was grammatically correct. Tell me, is the German language? Or did you learn German?[/quote]

The guy, if you think that the translation was not done correctly, help this person figure out what exactly he did wrong. I know this interpreter personally. I know that he does not use Google translator or something similar. Stop talking nonsense.

Once again I ask you. What is your native language?



I was asked to publish the translation, and I did it. Because the person who made the translation has a lower status on our forum. And in his posts are not visible pictures.



I have never seen a person who would receive so quickly and so many merits in an honest way. I have almost no doubt that you are involved in some kind of fraudulent scheme.



Listen to me. First of all, I'm a girl. Secondly, you and I did not baptize children. Address to me respectfully. Do not act like an offended teenager.



You know, I would like, that I was mistaken. So in the end it turned out that you are an honest person. But I do not believe in it. I have never seen a man receive merits so much in an honest way

Sorry suchmoon, but after reading the answer of yours, I start to understand why it is so difficult to communicate with a woman over 40. In my post, you read only one word that was misspelled by T9 of my phone. I just want to ask you once again. Could you please show us the profile of another newbie with 42 posts and 92 merits? That's all I am asking for. Thank you and best regards.

Oh, it seems to be a very explosive topic... 

Duck!!!

Seriously though, your babble proves nothing, just as sending or receiving merits proves nothing. If you have actual proof of misconduct by 1miau please share.

Lets say you have a friend, who needs money and wants to participate in bounty or signature campaigns, but he does not have even a junior account here. You instruct him to open some kind of a bullshit thread and send him 50 merits because in your opinion it is very useful for the forum. But actually it is nothing special and only few people are posting there. There are hundreds of similar topics on this forum. After sending him 50 merits just for nothing, you will send him another 50 merits from your alt account (Only forum administrator can 100% confirm that you have an alt account registered from the same IP) Or if you do not have alt account, you ask one of your friends to give 50 merits to that account. After that the dude, who received 100 merits for just shitposting needs only to post arround 12 posts a week and soon he will became a full member. Full member can easily make 300-500 $ a month if he will work hard. Regarding this dude  1miau    JUST SHOW ME ANY NEWBIE ACCOUNT THAT RECEIVED 92 MERITS FOR 42 POSTS. Nobody ever got such statistic after introducing of the merit system. I agree with OP that this show was orchestrated in a very clever way. Because the merit sources are Legendary detonator DT2 member https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/qwk-24140  and the member of staff https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/phantastisch-18312. No DT2 member will tag them, because they can tag them back.... Only DT1 members can resolve that issue, but they never care about such things. The result = WE GOT A NEWBIE WITH 42 POSTS AND 92 MERITS. Congratulation to community. We are all truly decentralized here  

Why do you not answer in the German section? Probably because everyone would see that your German is very weak by translating your answers via Google Translate…

Unfortunately, I have archived your article via archive.is so everyone  from the German forum can confirm, that it’s a very bad translation done with Google Translate. There are words no one would use them in German, like:
-   Total Token liefert
-   Yardcap
-   4 Jahre unverfallbar
-   Wir bauen eine benutzerfreundliche Krypto Austausch
-   …..
This is worst crap German and I’m not very surprised it’s already deleted by phantastisch.

Proof: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.40308374
Archive: http://archive.is/GvdTw

That's the good thing having the new system I created: everyone can see your deleted ANN which was reported in my new topic using Google Translate translations (or similar) by having a look at the archived website. (archive.is)
It’s ridiculous to say, you have made the translation in a right way, anyone from the German forum can confirm it’s not honestly translated.
Why are you complaining? You have tried to cheat with a Google-Translate ANN, it was reported from me and phantastisch deleted it. What do you expect? It’s very shameful to cheat first, then fail your goal and now you think you are right because your ANN was deleted? That’s ridiculous, sorry!


Then, why you are using translation tools instead of posting in your language you are familiar with? By having a look at your posting history, you are from the Russian section (like OP). Why you are not posting your ANN in the Russian section?!


Activity ≠ Number of posts

You accuse me of getting merit for no reason, even though you don’t have any Merit yourself? Sorry, I can't take you seriously.  


Dude, you really have no idea how the Merit system works. Only this one comment disqualifies yourself. Why should be Merit generally a stupid and absurd rule? Maybe for low quality posters and account cheaters…
If you understand the Merit System you won’t call it stupid or absurd.

Your posting history is a mixture of one-liners and bounty-reports, so I’m not surprised you received none yet. If you don’t change this and continue calling this system stupid there will be no chance to get Merit.
Don’t expect Merits for bounty-reports…

There have been countless guides how to earn Merit, from experienced Legendary Members and even from lower ranked Members trying to contribute something to the forum. Here the best ones:

theymos     Merit & new rank requirements              https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-new-rank-requirements-2818350 (explanation of the new Merit system from theymos)
TMAN:       TMAN'S guide to getting merit.              https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tmans-guide-to-getting-merit-3182178

Or if you are less familiar with English you may have a look at these infographics:

theyoungmillionaire    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-got-merits-lots-of-them-do-you-want-some-3376729
sncc                       https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/infographic-activity-merit-smerit-new-rank-requirements-2974436 (there you’ll find links to more infographics, from different users)

If you do your own research you’ll find much more guides how to earn Merit, but the best one is to think for yourself and start creating meaningful posts instead of bounty-reports or one-liners.

Finally don’t say Merit is stupid or a absurd rule if you don’t have some. It seems to me you don’t understand the whole intention of this system…

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Yes, really? Please don't speak for all of us, it's only your opinion...

maybe that you finally want me to get a senior member    

Merely sending or receiving merits is not proof of anything. If you have actual proof that these accounts are alts or colluded in some way AND they send merits to each other - that might be something to look into.

Let's say I send you 50 merits. What does that mean?

Just to give you an explanation, though I don't actually believe you deserve one:
I tend to "speed-read" threads where I find some valuable postings and just drop some merit to anyone I deem "worthy".
E.g., see the thread 2018 wird das Jahr von ? ? ?
I happened to stumble over that thread a few days ago and noticed some (medium) quality content by quite a few users.
So I decided to just "let it rain" and poured out 16 individual merits to posters in said thread over the course of some 10 minutes (took me a while to speed-read all the 16 pages of the thread).

I'm not so sure if you do. You're posting an obvious off topic thread in "Trading Discussion > Scam Accusations".

So you're actually confessing that you used the "report to moderator"-feature out of jealousy?

The same problem most probably exists in most local subforums.
There's no reason why the local communities shouldn't adopt their own respective ways to deal with it.
This is one of the ways we "Germans" try to handle it.

"Scam Accusation" is not for "forum abuse".

Seriously, most of them couldn't care less and would rather have merit given to "good newbies" than wasted on them.
Also, being a DT member doesn't necessarily make you a "quality poster".

Untrue. I once received 20 merit, but that's more than 120 days ago, which is why you can't see it
And yes, sometimes I feel it's a little unfair how little merit I receive for some of my "major works" like the German taxation FAQ.
But then again, what am I gonna do with the merit? Become Legendary^2?
So please, don't waste your merit on me, give it to newbies, members, Full members, Hero members etc. who deserve to "rank up" eventually.

In my opinion, yes. A newbie who goes the extra mile of doing the forum a service deserves merit more than all of the above.

Not unless there's a good reason.

Just ask yourself one question:
Why would qwk & phantastisch "sell merit" to a newbie or "push an alt"?
Doesn't really make sense to me.
Pushing an alt is something you usually do for money.
I'm not even participating in paid signature programs etc.
So, obviously, I'm not in it for the money.
Where's the motive?


I would like to conclude this post with just one last statement, if I may:
If you find anything wrong with the merit given from qwk & phantastisch to 1miau, accuse them!
It's us who might have been selling merit / pushing an alt, whatever.
Leave 1miau, one of the few "good newbies", alone!

edit: corrected a few typos.

I have a confession to make:

Indeed, I bought merit.
On at least three occasions did I pay BTC for merit from other users of the bitcointalk forum.
That includes one occasion where I traded BTC for merit with an administrator of this forum, using a fake persona (a.k.a. alt account).

Conclusive proof of my crimes against this forum:

Exhibit A:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.39570236
in which qwk receives 10 merit for stating the obvious of being a so-called "Donator", from an administrator of the forum, disguised behind the fake persona
theymos_away, obviously in return for a payment of 10 BTC barely a few years earlier.

Exhibit B:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.25267824
in which qwk receives 20 merit from user 600watt in return for a so-called "donation" towards an alleged "worthy cause", for which not further proof other than (most likely photoshopped) pictures of grateful children are given.

Exhibit C:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3936987
further evidence of monetary contributions from the side of qwk towards user 600watt, who led users to believe that he was preparing a so-called "BTC1K-Party" which actually never took place. Part of the contributions to the party have never been returned, e.g. qwk's payment for 2 tickets (which obviously was repaid in the form of aforementioned 20 merits).

You may now turn your sarcasm detectors off again. Hadn't turned it on? Read again!

That's kinda suspicious for 62 Merits earned in a day. some are really giving big amounts of merits. you can make some clarifications if the post is really worth the merits given or not.


You're right Merit does need a rework. it's kinda unfair for most members but there is a good thing with Merits is making the useless posters not obtain any higher if they don't post with sense.

Yes, it really looks like a purchase. The person has 42 messages, but 91 merits. Other people create great themes and get 1-2 merit for it. I for all time on the forum received 1 (!) merit, although I tried to actively support topics and help new users.

I understand people who are just buying merits. this rule is really absurd. But, 1miau, you must try to do it more imperceptibly

1miau

I read this post in German. It was not translated by Google translator. You say bullshit. I'll tell you more. In the German section there are much lower quality translations. I'm not a specialist in German. And nevertheless, it is clear to the newcomer that you are abusing the merit.

Perhaps you have an agreement with the moderator. Or maybe you just managed to get to him in a good position. Anyway, Either way, it also seems suspicious your growth merit. You have 42 posts, but 92 merit. Hardly I know another such person in our forum, who would also quickly and easily receive a merit. I have no doubt that you receive a fraudulent merit. If the author of the topic will complain about you to the administration, I will understand it.

Merit is generally a stupid and absurd rule. It annoys me, too. But since it exists, I want people to get it honestly, and not through buying or negotiating with a moderator.

If people like Darkstar could check this forum and didnot see nothing wrong. I think the OP was indeed jealous and in other for him to own some merit he have to raise this issue so he can be compliment for it. I'm saying this cause I was sort of jealous of you either

Are they tagged just because of sending huge chunk of merit to a user? Give a look at it again 



Yeah there are unless a conclusive and solid proof is available to take them down.

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Merit abuse is not regarding for which post you send it or how you send  it(all at once or bit by bit) or  how much you send it. It's regarding to whom you send it (abuse if sent to alt) or if you are buying/selling merits .

There are no child boards (subforums) for bounties in Russian thread as well and in many others.


For reporting bounty cheaters, translation cheaters scammers and spammers there is a scam accusation board on this forum and if there will be a need for child boards (subforums as you call them) Theymos will make decision about that.  


Then why a lot of people are tagged for that reason ? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-users-that-are-abusing-merit-system-2823221


Theymos (The admin of this forum) received 45 merits only once https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=35 and of course he never received 12 merits in ONE MINUTE from one account and 50 merits in ONE DAY from another.

OgNasty DT1 member received 25 merits only once https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=18321

Same story is with other DT members. NOR OF THEM received such amount of merits in a such short period of time.  BTW YOU YOURSELF  qwk never received more then 10 merits for your post from one account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=24140

So, I guess 1miau is more valuable member of community then admin of this forum, all DT members and all of us, because he found some German translator scammers and opened a thread for reporting them......


This is the most important point. 1miau is thinking that nobody will punish the mod of German board and a "Donator+Legendary+DT member"

I'm out of this thread because as I can see there are "UNTOUCHABLE" forum members here and they are allowed to do whatever they want.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=2143453

https://imgur.com/a/k6B1cXW

Have a nice day.  

Right now translation spam is a problem . The fact that it stays in local threads worsens it more since we can only look out only in that language section which we understand.  I think it is not a regular thread but it is a very good and important thread for reporting spammers. Also it drives an idea for others to start something like this in their own section which will help in weeding out such problems from local threads. Something like this should be encouraged which qwk and phantastisch did by sending huge merits.

From my point of view I don't find it is a merit abuse as it's not like that they are giving it to their alts or trading it for money. It's totally upon them to how much to send merit based on how they value the thread/post.

And btw this thread should be in Meta since the matter is related to merit abuse.

I definitely agree it's not the standard behavior. They are a newly created member within the last month which is strange to be getting so much merit so soon and a lot from just a couple people. However, I'm tending to think that the non-english boards try and get a lot of their native speakers to stick around and grow that part of the forum, so they will issue their merit out a lot more. That, and I've received a lot of merit from one user myself without asking for any.

Doesn't convince me entirely of abuse, but good job being a little suspicious! Continue your work for evaluating strange merit scenarios.

Merit needs a rework anyways

Actually, as far as I recall, DT users have no say in the question of merit abuse.
But I guess the mods might have a look at my presumed "wrongdoing"

Actually, it's not really hard to receive a lot of merit.
Contribute something meaningful to the forum, write an FAQ for users, answer serious questions not with one-liners, but with meaningful, insightful and correct, researched information, and you'll rake the merit in.
At least that's the standard I require for giving merit.

1miau showed a meaningful contribution to the forum by actively fighting google translated spam on the German subforum.
I credited that with some merit and promised to credit further reports with more.

You seem to fail to understand why it's not the length of a post that makes it merit-worthy.
I happen to understand that the research work behind 1miau's (and others') reports is more than trivial, which is why I consider it a good idea to award such work for the good of the forum with some merit.