Topic: Merit is so unfair (Read 1491 times)

I agree with you that on other boards users award more merits, quality of discussion is higher and there is a bigger chance to be noticed by influential members but sometimes you just need altcoins section. I invest in ICO's and 80% of my time I'm reading there when researching projects. This subforum is flooded with spam.

Lately, I started reported them. Sometimes I see 60 or 70 "good project", "wish you luck", "best ICO" kind of posts in a row. All from new or junior member accounts already registered in a bounty campaign. When I look at this accounts posts history there are only short spam posts or bounty reports.

No wonder Theymos introduced merits. We can't allow this spam because it's simply impossible to read this forum lately. My eyes are burning sometimes and I need an hour or two to report this amount of spam. This isn't what the forum is about to write some nonsense, only about the exchange of insights, information and discussion between people with similar views and interests.

Think for a second that the next step, if the merit doesn't work, it may be removing or suspending signatures.

Merit is a necessary evil. PERIOD.

I gave you a merit. Mainly to piss off the whingers, because they will think that is a wasted merit. But it isn't, because it shows that there is still merit to be awarded, and your post was short and to the point.

Actually, it isn't that difficult to earn merit.  Just try making a thoughtful or interesting post about something else besides merit. 

I have the same question in my head but i quite figure it why though , our moderators want us to improve , don't take it as a big hindrance on leveling up instead take it as a motivation and strive though.

I know it's so hard and sometimes irritating and leads to frustration right? , but don't stress yourself , just focus on your goal , there are some giving away merit that you will have a chance to prove that you are worth giving merit.

pharmacist whenever i see you avatar i am thinking you must be some kind of satanist

I don't see the point of posting the exact same content multiple times on different threads (i.e. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.36033923 and https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.36034044).
While you're opinion is obviously yours and isn't going to change in a 10 minute timeframe, the topic threads are not exactly about the same and we should be able to adopt out vision accordingly.

No, receiving sMerits is not easy at all, and can be rather frustrating often for many. Even so, the idea is to try to shine and that requires effort and persistence. The way I see it, persist or cave in.

Ok Mr Meta, Altcoin, Altcoin, Bounty and bounty poster.. what on earth makes you think you deserve merits when you only post in places that are full of retards? Even if you are a great quality poster you wont be seen in the shit subs as the merit sources don't go there..

Well, thats the part of struggle in getting merits here and we need to accept that, not everyone will give you merit no matter how good your post would be. You dont need to blame the system if you really care about what you write or read in this forum. Why would you need those merits and care about ranking if your primary purpose in using the forum is to learn and share for everyone.

   Higher ranking users kept saying we should shut up and stop ranting about the merit system but they did not experience it in the first place. Sure, having a merit system may reflect on the capability of a user to create useful posts, but how about the responsibility of those who own sMerit? Who has the eagerness to read replies in a thread and give merit? It's actually too hard and a matter of luck. No matter how you construct posts, if no one who has sMerit will recognize it, you can't get one.

Merit system is definitely unfair (or far from perfect fair) system, so let's stop complaining about its fairness.
For example, no one can choose the family to born, and no one can choose the perfect time to join the forum. Of course, Theymos can not choose the perfect solution to completely end spamming endemic in the forum. That's why merit system launched in January.

It is likely that you are lying.

If the forum has such automatically allocated merit system. Lots of members will send their sMerits for shit-threads, because they will give at least 1 merit back as a give for their shitty merit giving away.

I think the idea of merit at least on a numbers level is to be somewhat unfair.. or at least make a low-level effort not worth it.  I think bounties are being hurt by high participation and also hurting the bounty's success (some of the things I see posted on twitter posts or youtube are just downright ridiculous, poor English.. poor presentation.. it's all linked together).  The reality is the population needed to succeed in whatever capacity the forum requires already exists, and having 0 new members would only make it more rewarding to those participating.  The curve is certainly somewhat unfair for late adopters but the only thing in life you really can't ever make up for with effort is time... so it really makes sense.  It'll require 10x more effort now compared to an early forum adopter but maybe 1000x more effort 3 years from now... the curve will only work more against you.  The idea isn't to be fair, the idea is to find the top 1-5% and have them join in and weed the rest out.

I'm with you it sucks.. but I'm going to put in the effort because I see the benefit of the system even if it doesn't serve me.  It's not high ranking member's fought that I didn't join in the early days when the "proof of work" was easier difficulty.

Are you trying to say that you will pay one merit for 5 awarded to you? I don't think that is a wise thing to post.

I don't think so merit system is unfair. Ofcours need merit to avoid shitpost and spamming. But I am agree that normally some one don't want to give merit. Because he don't have any benifite to five you merit. That's why I think if there empliment on merit system it will better for new member's.  Example if some one give me 5 merit or other 5 people, on the other hand he will get back 1 merit return as bonus from forum. So every one will interest to give merit on quality post.

Bro I feel you But just do not give up. Of course I hope to hit one more rank soon but definitely is not an easy task for me due to merit.

Just keep doing what you are good and one day people will appreciate. Plants do not grow from seeds in one day. It takes times and seasons before you can reap the fruits

OMG, how do you function in life?

You should know that the only reason the merit system was implemented was because shitposters like yourself want to come here and rank up--and it's usually multiple accounts--so they can earn money shitposting for bounties that don't have any sort of quality control.  Or they want a budding career in account farming.  What you wrote is just an immature opinion based on an incomplete grasp of the facts.

The merit system didn't need to be put in place from the start, because the shitposting problem didn't exist when bitcointalk started.  Hopefully that sinks into your cranium.

Yes i think its so unfair,like now if you have a quality pos llthat posted in one of this forum ,many high ranks still didnt give merit,so i think why we need this merit system if only 10 merits couldnt reach.

You are missing a point. Bitcointalk forum's community actually need as strict rules as possible to build up its barriers on scammers, spammers, merit farmers, account farmers, and - of course - abusers.
Without strict rules, the forum looks like a landfill, which is a perfect place for shit-posters to dump their shits.
Honestly, thanks Theymos for launching merit system.

I think merit system is a good one in principle. But I have noticed that in some threads there are trolls and spammers, who use vulgar and offensive speech towards other participants.

They insult everyone who dares to have a different viewpoint than they express. So there is no true discussion possible, as they dominate on the thread and every normal person just quits participating, since it is not possible due to that kind of ongoing trolling.

What makes me wonder is that they have very high merit. How is that possible? Do they give merit to each other??

Anyway, I think it would be necessary, that the forum had better control about annoying behavior of some persons.
This control is needed to compliment the merit system.
Would it be possible, admins?

It's not against the forum rules having alt accounts. The real problem is spammers and shitposters that will result useless threads and waste of time from admins or mods to erase spam post by spammers rather than managing something important for bitcointalk forum.

Being alone has nothing to do why you can't receive any Merits. What do you think of me? I already got 40 Merits and do you think that I get it from my friends? Well, its NO. I have no friends to give me Merits and if there are, I will not doing to ask them for Merit.

With just diligence + effort + knowledge. You will be rewarded.

As you can see, you don't need to have friends just to get Merits, in order to get one (or even more), you just need to improve your posts and make it more valuable, make it constructive until it become a "Good Quality Posts". This is where other members will be interested to your posts and your posts will have a higher chance of possibility to be Merited. See? There's no need for friends, you will only end up abusing Merits if you were caught asking/begging Merits to people you knew. You will only receive a reward of Negative trust if you do so.

Come one buddy, It's really hard to earn Merits but with a little hard work, it's not impossible for you to achieve your desired rank. Just like nullius, iasenko athan (I forgot the name) and other Members who ranked up because of making Good Posts.


But I do agree to the part where, Merit really is so unfair.
Sir theymos stated that
but this is usually what happens. People give away their Merits for just something that they agreed.
For example:




(No offense to the owner of the post which is Mr. *******. I just used it as an example)
Can you imagine it? Are these examples really need to be Merited? Wake up guys.
These posts doesn't deserve any Merit but because of some people agreed with it, it received Merits. While there are lot of Good Quality Post out there seeking for Merit but what? They can't even receive one. Unfair isn't?

That's why I agreed that Merit is a little unfair, usually to those members whose posts are always being ignored by other Members.