Being a member since 2017 and I am not even hero.
It is because you are one of the bounty hunter spammers of that time, merit/smerit start in early 2018 and you stop posting since early 2018 until today. After merit/smerit started, some people did not post again which might be the reason you did not post again. But the main reason we can link to your account staying stagnant without ranking is because of your inactivity. 
Topic: Merit & new rank requirements - page 7. (Read 167726 times)
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Good idea but i would like to say why not if there would be an image that canbe colourful and with imagewe can do whatever we want to, for example as if we we want a Table thats possible and if we want the image Sections to be colorful as each rank with different color that also possible.
So image might be a better idea
That will be difficult to achieve with the software the forum is using for now, but if the feature is added to new forum software it would be good. No one knows when we are going to have new forum software. Good idea but i would like to say why not if there would be an image that canbe colourful and with imagewe can do whatever we want to, for example as if we we want a Table thats possible and if we want the image Sections to be colorful as each rank with different color that also possible.
So image might be a better idea
But it is not looking bad at all and it looks good as it is not even coloured like those modern test books' tables.
Since more than 300 pages of replies have piled up and more are likely to follow, I just came over the table in the OP and its layout is a bit messy in my opinion, isn't it?
Work Appreciated
Good idea but i would like to say why not if there would be an image that canbe colourful and with imagewe can do whatever we want to, for example as if we we want a Table thats possible and if we want the image Sections to be colorful as each rank with different color that also possible.
So image might be a better idea
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Activity: 2422
Merit: 1083
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There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.
It would have been a nice thing to add demerit system in the forum and to regulate undesirable merits of users but users will abuse it. Unless it will still control by MERIT SOURCES or you create or appoint another DEMERIT SOURCES to demerit any post that is not necessary or not worth of meriting. With that every user will be posting quality posts in the forum. Although what is quality post might be different from different demerit sources. Because they might see it from different perspective. I also suggest that if the 'demerit' should be adding, let there be DEMERIT SOURCES to that effect so that there should be check and balance in the meriting source and demeriting source and also there will be division of labor among the two organs in forum.
Imagine you find a post which after reading, you find it helpful and you decided to merit it, and a demerit source comes around and removes the merit, how would you feel? You probably would feel or see yourself as someone who don't truly know what a good post is.
Or imagine you spent your quality time to create a very educative post, and other members found your post worthy and decided to merit it, but a demerit source for some reason(s) didn't find your post helpful as much and went ahead to remove all the merits you were given, how do you think that would make you feel? Happy?, of course not, you probably would see that demerit source as an enemy of your progress and would start hating him or her.
And on the other hand, seeing a low quality post and not meriting it is already as good as demeriting the post, and if for any reason, you wish to take a step further, the report button is there, you can click it to report the post to the moderator.
It would have been a nice thing to add demerit system in the forum and to regulate undesirable merits of users but users will abuse it.
These are contradicting. What can be abused can not be nice. Unless it will still control by MERIT SOURCES or you create or appoint another DEMERIT SOURCES to demerit any post that is not necessary or not worth of meriting.
If there is a report button on every post that you can press and report, there is no need for demerit, demerit can not have any good advantage than frustration.That would mean, you weren't diligent enough in giving out the merits and could be as a result of so many things. A demerit system is surely going to bring some abuse. Some users already complains of abuse with the trust system, how then would the 'demerit system' be any different if implemented. There isn't a need for such functionality, the report to Moderator bottom solves it all gor low quality or bad posts.
Since more than 300 pages of replies have piled up and more are likely to follow, I just came over the table in the OP and its layout is a bit messy in my opinion, isn't it?
Maybe we can improve it a little bit for a better readability?
It's much easier to read, especially for Newbies with little awareness of the sometimes flawed table function.
Merit & new rank requirements is one of the most frequently visited topics.
Maybe theymos can edit his OP:
In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:
| Rank | Required activity | Required merit |
| Brand new | 0 | 0 |
| Newbie | 1 | 0 |
| Jr Member | 30 | 1 |
| Member | 60 | 10 |
| Full Member | 120 | 100 |
| Sr. Member | 240 | 250 |
| Hero Member | 480 | 500 |
| Legendary | Random in the range 775-1030 | 1000 |
Maybe we can improve it a little bit for a better readability?
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| __________________ | ____________________________ | ____________________________ |
| Rank | Required activity | Required merit |
| __________________ | ____________________________ | ____________________________ |
| Brand new | 0 | 0 |
| __________________ | ____________________________ | ____________________________ |
| Newbie | 1 | 0 |
| __________________ | ____________________________ | ____________________________ |
| Jr Member | 30 | 1 |
| __________________ | ____________________________ | ____________________________ |
| Member | 60 | 10 |
| __________________ | ____________________________ | ____________________________ |
| Full Member | 120 | 100 |
| __________________ | ____________________________ | ____________________________ |
| Sr. Member | 240 | 250 |
| __________________ | ____________________________ | ____________________________ |
| Hero Member | 480 | 500 |
| __________________ | ____________________________ | ____________________________ |
| Legendary | Random in the range 775-1030 | 1000 |
It's much easier to read, especially for Newbies with little awareness of the sometimes flawed table function.
Merit & new rank requirements is one of the most frequently visited topics.
Maybe theymos can edit his OP:
Code:
[table]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b]Rank[/b][/td][td][b]Required activity[/b][/td][td][b]Required merit[/b][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Brand new[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Newbie[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Jr Member[/td][td]30[/td][td]1[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Member[/td][td]60[/td][td]10[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Full Member[/td][td]120[/td][td]100[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sr. Member[/td][td]240[/td][td]250[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hero Member[/td][td]480[/td][td]500[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Legendary[/td][td]Random in the range 775-1030[/td][td]1000[/td][/tr][/table]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b]Rank[/b][/td][td][b]Required activity[/b][/td][td][b]Required merit[/b][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Brand new[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Newbie[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Jr Member[/td][td]30[/td][td]1[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Member[/td][td]60[/td][td]10[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Full Member[/td][td]120[/td][td]100[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sr. Member[/td][td]240[/td][td]250[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hero Member[/td][td]480[/td][td]500[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Legendary[/td][td]Random in the range 775-1030[/td][td]1000[/td][/tr][/table]
For what it's worth: I haven't seen that many posts lately that I would want to deMerit.
The spam has reduced to some extent if we see it in context of merit system implementation like those who were not willing to improve left the forum back in 2018 and some others are still carrying the same way of writing shit posts without earning single merit despite being higher rank also. But then we have this thread where we see users who are definitely writing up post worth demerits : Re: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny
So will see if @theymos find it suitable to implement this system and we again have piles of thread like in 2018 in meta if it's implemented.
Here's some reading to do about deMerit:
LoyceV's deMerit source application
I want a way to demerit posts.
For what it's worth: I haven't seen that many posts lately that I would want to deMerit.
LoyceV's deMerit source application
I want a way to demerit posts.
For what it's worth: I haven't seen that many posts lately that I would want to deMerit.
I like this system, a great compliment (or merit) to theymos. To your health! Have a little suggestion. I can see that some sons are inundated with credit points that take up too much space. Exactly this thread is an example where it starts. I think it would be a good idea to add some sort of "see more" to display the full list once it seems too full.
If demeriting was introduced. Chances of it completely messing up things would be very high.
I'm against - merit too, if someone is spamming or making extremely low quality posts, use your report button. Negative merits could be disastrous, since members could potentially take advantage of the function and targets they may not like.
I'm here since 2014, with a few breaks during that period, and pretty much remember how many people were spamming junk posts all over the forum, thinking they could easily rankup enough to be eligible to enter a signature campaign. To be honest, while it's inevitable to weed out junk posters, putting zero effort to make their posts appealing, the condition is way better than it used to be.
Theymos could easily add demerits if he needed to, but I think he would certainly be very positive not to add them given that positive merit would be fine. Spam posts can be reported to moderators for deletion, it will help reduce spam though not all of them.I'm here since 2014, with a few breaks during that period, and pretty much remember how many people were spamming junk posts all over the forum, thinking they could easily rankup enough to be eligible to enter a signature campaign. To be honest, while it's inevitable to weed out junk posters, putting zero effort to make their posts appealing, the condition is way better than it used to be.
So far the merit system has been quite helpful in preventing spammers from rank up, so I think this system will do just fine without demerits for spammers or low quality posters.
It would have been a nice thing to add demerit system in the forum and to regulate undesirable merits of users but users will abuse it. Unless it will still control by MERIT SOURCES or you create or appoint another DEMERIT SOURCES to demerit any post that is not necessary or not worth of meriting. With that every user will be posting quality posts in the forum. Although what is quality post might be different from different demerit sources. Because they might see it from different perspective. I also suggest that if the 'demerit' should be adding, let there be DEMERIT SOURCES to that effect so that there should be check and balance in the meriting source and demeriting source and also there will be division of labor among the two organs in forum.
I really like and love your administrative work. You are neutral to everyone, both the brand Newbies and to the Legendaries, Moderators and to others. Recommendable.
Something tells me you were not there before, when and right after the merit system was introduced.I really like and love your administrative work. You are neutral to everyone, both the brand Newbies and to the Legendaries, Moderators and to others. Recommendable.
First, there was massive spam. The spam you see these days is nothing compared to it. Right after the introduction of the system, there was a lot of drama and rope all over Meta.
But time has proven that the system has helped a lot.
If demeriting was introduced. Chances of it completely messing up things would be very high.
I'm here since 2014, with a few breaks during that period, and pretty much remember how many people were spamming junk posts all over the forum, thinking they could easily rankup enough to be eligible to enter a signature campaign. To be honest, while it's inevitable to weed out junk posters, putting zero effort to make their posts appealing, the condition is way better than it used to be.
So I noticed it says unused Merit can be decayed at some point in the future - What's the point of this?
Unused sMerit (sendable Merit). I think it's supposed to incentive rewarding others with merit and punish those that hoard their sMerit.The merit system works only if people actively use it, else everyone is stuck at their current rank.
I wish there would have been some sort of option of giving dislike (-ve merit) to the spam/LQ posts and if any post receives certain -ve merits/dislikes,it should be automatically deleted /hidden
Given the concerns about abuse even with only positive merit, I dont know if I would support that.There's a whole other level to possible abuse vectors when adding negative merit as well, that can decrease somebodies rank.
Just my own very opinion though!
I know that in this forum there are a lot of users who deserve demerits.
Base on how i see this, i think it will be the responsibility of the admin to decide on that and not that the features be implemented as everyone has suggested, the admin can choose to demerit any inactive accounts over the period of six months or so or whenever a user is obviously seen to be making a consistent abuse of the use of the merit system.
Actually they deserve not only demerits but also permanent ban.
I don't think it has gotten to this extent, many users can have one or two reasons for their being inactive on the forum, whereas even you and I were not excluded to fall under such experience but we all hope for a better days, therefore it is expected to plan ahead and expect the worse, placing a permanent ban on user's account isn't a right opinion here because this does not go along with any unethical display of the forum's rules for an inactive account.
There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.
It would have been a nice thing to add demerit system in the forum and to regulate undesirable merits of users but users will abuse it. Unless it will still control by MERIT SOURCES or you create or appoint another DEMERIT SOURCES to demerit any post that is not necessary or not worth of meriting.
I think this Forum should have a Warning option where if someone do which should not be done and worthy to get Demerits then they will be Warned for a sudden period.
It will be a great idea to have Warning option beside Merit system.
It would have been a nice thing to add demerit system in the forum and to regulate undesirable merits of users but users will abuse it. Unless it will still control by MERIT SOURCES or you create or appoint another DEMERIT SOURCES to demerit any post that is not necessary or not worth of meriting. With that every user will be posting quality posts in the forum. Although what is quality post might be different from different demerit sources. Because they might see it from different perspective. I also suggest that if the 'demerit' should be adding, let there be DEMERIT SOURCES to that effect so that there should be check and balance in the meriting source and demeriting source and also there will be division of labor among the two organs in forum.
I really like and love your administrative work. You are neutral to everyone, both the brand Newbies and to the Legendaries, Moderators and to others. Recommendable.
Something tells me you were not there before, when and right after the merit system was introduced.I really like and love your administrative work. You are neutral to everyone, both the brand Newbies and to the Legendaries, Moderators and to others. Recommendable.
First, there was massive spam. The spam you see these days is nothing compared to it. Right after the introduction of the system, there was a lot of drama and rope all over Meta.
But time has proven that the system has helped a lot.
If demeriting was introduced. Chances of it completely messing up things would be very high.
The combination of your post and _act_'s mentioning that we have the "report button" causes me to consider that maybe removing merits could be one of the selective punishments - but even that seems like a slippery slope concept of too many weird dynamics regarding when it might be applied...
It would be quite a slippery slope considering how it can be applied. Merits are awarded by individual users based on their assessment, a system that overrides my opinion of a post seems a bit too much. Even banned users can still receive merits on their posts (IIRM), so it shows that their contribution to the forum is very much appreciated even though they broke the rules.and I believe that there have been a couple of instances of merit reversing.. but probably those instances could be counted on 1 or 2 hands?
And I think those were based on merits sent erroneously or proven cases of abuse which raised too much eyebrows. 
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I find that a demerit feature would likely be dreadful one, were it to be implemented. One thing is to subjectively give sMerits to posts, and another is to have a current of subjectivity running in the opposite direction, countering merit TXs for any potential reason one may think of (even if restricted to a few people). It would probably lead to many to part with the Merit System altogether.The combination of your post and _act_'s mentioning that we have the "report button" causes me to consider that maybe removing merits could be one of the selective punishments - but even that seems like a slippery slope concept of too many weird dynamics regarding when it might be applied... rather than the warning, suspending and banning tools that are already being used. In the end, the idea of demerit seems like it would ONLY have very limited application - and I believe that there have been a couple of instances of merit reversing.. but probably those instances could be counted on 1 or 2 hands?
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I find that a demerit feature would likely be dreadful one, were it to be implemented. One thing is to subjectively give sMerits to posts, and another is to have a current of subjectivity running in the opposite direction, countering merit TXs for any potential reason one may think of (even if restricted to a few people). It would probably lead to many to part with the Merit System altogether. It would have been a nice thing to add demerit system in the forum and to regulate undesirable merits of users but users will abuse it.
These are contradicting. What can be abused can not be nice. Unless it will still control by MERIT SOURCES or you create or appoint another DEMERIT SOURCES to demerit any post that is not necessary or not worth of meriting.
If there is a report button on every post that you can press and report, there is no need for demerit, demerit can not have any good advantage than frustration.With that every user will be posting quality posts in the forum.
I am quite sure that adding demerit will not add anything good to people's posting quality, it can even be detrimental. Jump to: