Topic: Merit & new rank requirements - page 97. (Read 167726 times)

I was looking for a clear and understandable explanation about the ranking system. And this is the closest I have come to such a thing. Thank you for sharing this. Although I don't understand why they use such complex algorithms to calculate rankings.

Only your astonishing merit/activity ratio can explain the extremely witty (borderline sarcastic), yet effective answer given to that lazy user.
If I had merit I would contribute myself to increase that ratio!

My two cents,
F1

Yeah right.

Help other members & write high quality posts...
That was said over and over in hundreds of topics but you are right, it is hard to find those simple informations in the bounties and alternate cryptocurrencies board...

that means if I want to be a member I must have 10 merit right ? but how can I gain merit can anyone explain please 

Hello, I mainly participate in the French community, I help newcomers in cryptos and post tutorials in French. The French community does not give much "merit". How do I get my rank up?

Strategical and tactical goals are often set, but corporations do not go around with a full disclosure policy for everyone’s curiosity to be satisfied. This forum, while being rather transparent on conceptual goals, does not need to reveal them in quantitative terms, nor the degree to which they are met. That information tends to be limited to a board of direction, and external resources with access to such information are generally bound by a nda agreement.

As suchmoon stated, you can always ask theymos for full disclosure, but grab a confortable chair for the wait.

Yea, merit is ought to be earned not bought.i don't like it when people are trying to run faster than their shadows.

Why wouldn't you just ask theymos directly instead of trollerizing this thread?

Does anyone have any references to any stated metric based goals of this Merit system they can kindly post links to? I've been engaged with some people on thread who can't find them. I can't find them. If they exist, I would enjoy reading them. No one is required to reply to me and answer my question. I'm simply asking if anyone knows of written, metric based goals the Merit system was intended to achieve that they can help me find and read myself.

Some examples might look like this...

-The Merit system will reduce spam by 10% within the first 6 months.
-The Merit system will increase length of posts by 20% within the first 6 months.
-The Merit system will decrease the quantity of new user accounts by 30% within the first 6 months.

If anyone has seen any of these from an authoritative source, I would love to read more about them and read that post more thoroughly.

Thanks!

Your "guess" is just that.  You can read through posts from theymos that articulates some of the goals, and you can see discussions of goals, frequently goals are not articulated as mandates.. so there can be some subjective interpretation about meaning and there can be shifting of the goals.  Again, it is your job to describe and to show evidence about what you believe are the goals and or what they should be based on evidence and reasonable inferences.  You seem to have a tendency to try to shift some kind of burden onto me when you are the person who is criticizing deficiencies in the system and what you propose changes, such as abolishing such system.




I have no duty to answer your question(s), and I gave you responses that are sufficiently responsive and not evasive.  I did my part.  It's on you, now, to do some work, rather than getting caught in the weeds of irrelevance regarding alleged (and seemingly concocted) deficiencies in my response(s).


NOT.. another thing in your imagination.  I am just saying that you are failing and refusing to prove your case.  I am not engaged in any active defense of the merit system as you seem to want to present the matter in such a way in order to shift the burden of presentation and evidence from me to you.  Why don't you get a grip and take responsibility for the substance of your own presentation rather than continuing in irrelevant distractions?  Are you able to or competent enough in such direction?


I don't need to know, but even with my not knowing, I seem to know more than you, and I am not even presenting a case, like you are... go figure?


Yeah right... use your imagination to come up with fantasies that are unlikely to be true... and even when there is decent evidence to the contrary... You are making a lot of "progress" here is your supposed "forward thinking" - which increasingly is seeming a bit backwards from my perspective.


Yes.. If you create a strawman argument with made up facts, then it is much easier to win in that argument..


Repetition and made up.


Merely because goals might be unclear to you does not mean that either there are none or that theymos, for example, cannot figure out if he perceives progress.... which I am not even going to go along with your seemingly completely made up conjecture that there are no goals... 


The only one who seems to be guessing around here is you, and the more I read your bullshit, the more I am concluding that you are not even attempting to be genuine.. you are just making up shit, which is also a kind of trolling.

I personally believe that it would be helpful (and more transparent) if the full histories of member merit sending/receiving would be accessible, rather than merely the past 120 days.

I am guessing you are saying they may have set vague goals? I really don't see an answer to my question. Since you are setting yourself up as some sort of Merit system defense counsel, and you don't know what metric based goals they set, it seems they may not have set any. If that is the case, that's a botched job.

This is a really an important point as the likelihood of success or failure absolutely is impacted by goal setting. First, if they have no metric based goals, they will never be able to determine if they actually achieved their goals. Second, if they have no metric based goals, they will not know how to make course corrections (which are pretty much always needed because with people, things never go perfectly as planned).

When you launch some major intervention impacting thousands of people and don't have any metric based goals, you know what that is called? It is called guessing. If they are guessing, they are playing with fire.

Instead of looking at ranks, and merit awarding stats, I think it is more productive to look at merited posts. LoyceV very kindly created a merit history list of my activities, and you can read that here - http://talkmerit.com/projects/merit-history.html

Don't forget that the sMerits that I award are subjective, and reflect my opinions and attitudes, they are not an indication of board policies.

Well here is some data I would like: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30722582 Is any of this public? If so, can you please let me know how to access it? Thanks.

I don't think that's what they meant.

They were asking when the initial distribution Merits would be cancelled. That isn't going to happen either as theymos has stated he would not make a change that would result in accounts getting de-ranked.
I understand the frustration of seeing so many high ranked accounts that were already in the hands of spammers when the system was introduced, but that isn't going to be the solution.

Cancelling this merit system has about a snowball's chance in hell of happening, so if you are hoping for that kind of an outcome, you are likely barking up the wrong tree.

Modification or tweaking of the merit system might happen, but instead of wishing for modification and tweaking, it could be a better pursuit to just figure out ways to work within the new merit system, if you are trying to earn merits, then attempt to post good and even better.  If you don't care about earning merits and you just want to read the forum posts, then you are free to do that too. This merit system does not stop you from reading posts.

When will the merits be canceled, which were simply distributed from the introduction?
I'm for what would be a fair approach to the rank. There are accounts that do not score any merit and rank "Sr. Member", write heresy and this should be fixed!!

Exactamente, Athanz.... Under this current merit system by design, merit spreading throughout the forum, including to the lower ranks will be based upon perceptions of merit worthiness of the merit senders rather than some kind of random chance...   Let the chips fall will they will...     

Only if they are a merit-worthy person, then it will.

I hope merit could spread out to those active and low rank in the forum.