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cpfreeplz

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Quote from: LTU_btc on January 26, 2018, 10:36:55 AM

Quote from: yojodojo21 on January 26, 2018, 08:46:06 AM

I hope everybody would be fair about this new feature implemented by admin theymos.
This thread is for the purpose of awareness that merit is given to a constructive and quality post. I have made a thread here in the market place section, hoping that there will not be such things like buying and selling merits. Let's work with our own asses.

P.S.
OP is not asking attention, read and understand. Obedience is better than sacrifice.

Saddly, but many people are already selling/buying Merit points, for example here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-have-26-merits-buy-it-if-you-want-2827197
On local boards there are much more Merit sellers. There was people who got 20 or even 50 Merit for a low quality posts, it's obvious abuse of Merit system. Both, buyer and seller has to be reported to DT members and they will give them red trust rating.

Haha that would backfire so hard on them! They give each other merit then they get negative trust. If you try to rig the new system you'll get rekt by the old system. HEED MY WARNINGS NEWBIES! DON'T GET NEGGED! Lol. Their will be many a legendaries with negative trust I guess.

Choii

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Merit: 106

Quote from: Vannie12 on January 27, 2018, 08:57:51 PM

Come on guys, problems will not occur at the first place if everyone here just followed the instructions, rules and other guidelines.
Merit system is a good thing, at least we know devs are still concern about good members of this forum.
If they are cheating then be it and suffer the consequences.
I think the new system will also help confirming possible farm accounts.

I agree, the new Merit system is a good thing if everyone here in forum followed what the instruction and the rules. But now they abusing Merit point, and there's a lot of people they buy and sell their merit piont to get the bitcoin, but it's not a good way if they want to promote their account to the highest rank.

supermine

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Activity: 826

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Merits are not for sale if you want also you can't,only the Smerits can be send to the person you want. Grin

First of all this system is going to suck the spammers around the forum,no more rank up with the spam posts.But sadly the quality posts are also not gonna get the enough merits,the new merits system has been implemented three days ago but still many quality posters don't get even one merits.Luckily I got just one.

As per Theymos statement he will test the merits system for one or two months,if this merit is hard to achieve then changes will be made.So everyone post normally and do some contribution to the discussion don't care about merits for now.

Vannie12

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Come on guys, problems will not occur at the first place if everyone here just followed the instructions, rules and other guidelines.
Merit system is a good thing, at least we know devs are still concern about good members of this forum.
If they are cheating then be it and suffer the consequences.
I think the new system will also help confirming possible farm accounts.

player514

legendary

Activity: 1414

Merit: 1039

Quote from: LTU_btc on January 26, 2018, 10:36:55 AM

Quote from: yojodojo21 on January 26, 2018, 08:46:06 AM

I hope everybody would be fair about this new feature implemented by admin theymos.
This thread is for the purpose of awareness that merit is given to a constructive and quality post. I have made a thread here in the market place section, hoping that there will not be such things like buying and selling merits. Let's work with our own asses.

P.S.
OP is not asking attention, read and understand. Obedience is better than sacrifice.

Saddly, but many people are already selling/buying Merit points, for example here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-have-26-merits-buy-it-if-you-want-2827197
On local boards there are much more Merit sellers. There was people who got 20 or even 50 Merit for a low quality posts, it's obvious abuse of Merit system. Both, buyer and seller has to be reported to DT members and they will give them red trust rating.

The good thing about this is that we can easily spot people out and verify that they're connected if something fishy is going on. Even if people make plans outside of this forum to grant merit, we can easily retrace which post the merit was added onto, and if the post is garbage, then it makes sense to flag them with red trust. I'm thinking that this whole merit system can make it a lot easier on higher ranking members who want to help the forum out by flagging the spammers and scammers.

One thing I hope doesn't happen in the future is the use of merit as "rep." Merit has nothing to do with reputation, and we should make it clear in the marketplace section especially that this is the case.

audaciousbeing

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Quote from: Sadlife on January 27, 2018, 12:04:45 AM

I can only see the new merit system being abused by those people with multiple accounts that he can use to rank up one of his accounts for his own benefits while the good quality poster will be ignored because no one really is interested to giving merits to anybody it will just become another task for them and it's a drag. And this merit system can also be exploited by many various ways such as selling it. I also heard that DT members is putting red flags on you for meritting someone and be accused that it is your dummy account.

Your earlier sentence is very possible for people to start abusing the system but the way the merit system is designed made it something that won't last long term the reason is that there is limited amount of merit an individual can give out and the moment he uses it to promote an account, considering the gap between a rank and another is large, he will be forced to post quality in other to get merit to move to the next rank. Opening a new account won't even solve it because that would have zero merit to give either way you will still be forced to do the right thing and that should solve the issue of DT members giving red and we all know that you don't just give 30 merits for just post we all don't agree has content.

On maybe no one is interested in giving merit, you will see more of it because even me, I have given one to someone who just made sense to me and managers reading post too can give when they come across something interesting.

wantjokull

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Quote from: yojodojo21 on January 26, 2018, 08:46:06 AM

I hope everybody would be fair about this new feature implemented by admin theymos.
This thread is for the purpose of awareness that merit is given to a constructive and quality post. I have made a thread here in the market place section, hoping that there will not be such things like buying and selling merits. Let's work with our own asses.

P.S.
OP is not asking attention, read and understand. Obedience is better than sacrifice.

That is perfectly put forth. I think everyone must take note of this and we should not misconfgure the whole thing. I know there are already people who are against this system or at least they belive the system isn’t fair for the newcomers.

However, I’m sure the system is fully functional and will equally for newbies or legends and this can be observed with merit stats itself.

There is no need to go spamming about it as it won’t help anyone and might take you into trouble. Let’s just read everyone with wide open eyes and when you really think you have seen something deserving then just merit it and be responsible about it.

It’s that simple !

betlord90

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Activity: 630

Merit: 500

Quote from: lyledark10 on January 26, 2018, 10:45:09 PM

Quote from: yojodojo21 on January 26, 2018, 08:46:06 AM

I hope everybody would be fair about this new feature implemented by admin theymos.
This thread is for the purpose of awareness that merit is given to a constructive and quality post. I have made a thread here in the market place section, hoping that there will not be such things like buying and selling merits. Let's work with our own asses.

P.S.
OP is not asking attention, read and understand. Obedience is better than sacrifice.

We don't need to buy merits. Let's just make our post very useful and meaningful so that other user well send us merit because our post is constructive, useful, and meaningful. Don't buy merits because selling merit is not prohibited.

Theirs no reason to buy those merits really since we can actually earn it by posting some good quality posts and helpful ones, But we cannot please anyone to act fair since as we can see on meta their are series of events that merit system has been abused and their are guys who willing to buy it but if they found out buying it they will earned bad stake for their actions.

batang_bitcoin

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Merit: 603

Quote from: LTU_btc on January 26, 2018, 08:26:00 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on January 26, 2018, 04:57:17 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on January 26, 2018, 10:36:55 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-have-26-merits-buy-it-if-you-want-2827197

That's a desperate one, everyone is aware that merits are not for sale and it shouldn't be bought.

It was just one random thread which I noticed. But take a look here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-users-that-are-abusing-merit-system-2823221
You can see how many people are suspected that they are abusing Merit system. So, not everyone aware that they shouldn't sell merits. And I'm sure that some of these people understand and know what they are doing and how they are risking

These people who really don't know how to follow a simple words of how the merit system shall be used. Just like what I've said yesterday if they keep on abusing the system.

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on January 26, 2018, 04:57:17 PM

They will be exposed soon in no time.

Sadlife

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Activity: 1400

Merit: 269

I can only see the new merit system being abused by those people with multiple accounts that he can use to rank up one of his accounts for his own benefits while the good quality poster will be ignored because no one really is interested to giving merits to anybody it will just become another task for them and it's a drag. And this merit system can also be exploited by many various ways such as selling it. I also heard that DT members is putting red flags on you for meritting someone and be accused that it is your dummy account.

lyledark10

jr. member

Activity: 56

Merit: 9

Quote from: yojodojo21 on January 26, 2018, 08:46:06 AM

I hope everybody would be fair about this new feature implemented by admin theymos.
This thread is for the purpose of awareness that merit is given to a constructive and quality post. I have made a thread here in the market place section, hoping that there will not be such things like buying and selling merits. Let's work with our own asses.

P.S.
OP is not asking attention, read and understand. Obedience is better than sacrifice.

We don't need to buy merits. Let's just make our post very useful and meaningful so that other user well send us merit because our post is constructive, useful, and meaningful. Don't buy merits because selling merit is not prohibited.

OriginTrain

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Activity: 406

Merit: 174

Quote from: Hydrogen on January 26, 2018, 06:36:26 PM

I stopped posting on reddit after a few valid points I made were downvoted into oblivion due to people disliking or failing to understand them. I understand a merit system doesn't have this effect. But I still think that upvote / downvote systems (and potentially merit systems to a degree) could introduce more negative implications into content and user classifications than they do promote positive quirks.

On the plus side, they could incentivize posters to try harder to make quality posts. It could be a good system in some respects. It could depend on how prevalent account farming is, here. To be effective the farming might have to be reduced as it opens up the system to greater exploitation. Pay for play "merit" isn't something I know much about. It would seem to be associated with farming, can't say I know much about that.

I also stopped using Reddit for the exact reasons you stated. It's become an echo chamber in nearly every sub, and if you bring up a question that goes against the consensus, your karma will be ruined.

I agree that the merit system here is great, it will just need some tweaking especially with the supply. I think though a demerit system might not be a good idea for the exact reason that it might turn into Reddit.

bemchan

newbie

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Quote from: Mevz on January 26, 2018, 09:25:11 PM

Quote from: MURONDI on January 26, 2018, 12:51:17 PM

Perhaps many buy and sell merit points in secret, I think it is very difficult to get merit points, most people will probably take a shortcut, maybe they have multiple accounts to send each other..

I think selling Merit points is not prohibited by the moderators if im not wrong. We can't avoid that cheating we must be friendly too so that anyone would love your post and give a damn time to click add merit. It was just like owe your kindness when you give him for return.

Quote from: LTU_btc on January 26, 2018, 08:26:00 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on January 26, 2018, 04:57:17 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on January 26, 2018, 10:36:55 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-have-26-merits-buy-it-if-you-want-2827197

That's a desperate one, everyone is aware that merits are not for sale and it shouldn't be bought.

It was just one random thread which I noticed. But take a look here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-users-that-are-abusing-merit-system-2823221
You can see how many people are suspected that they are abusing Merit system. So, not everyone aware that they shouldn't sell merits. And I'm sure that some of these people understand and know what they are doing and how they are risking

All of us wants to have merits but not in that way selling or buying LOL. Also we couldn't control their accounts and when a shitposter could earn high merit, this system would be useless.

yeah this merit system would be useless if selling of merit points will chronic

pogiparin

jr. member

Activity: 140

Merit: 2

I really hope that merits would be given to deserving members of this forum. I hope merits will be used as a mechanism to corrupt other members and I hope merits would no be given to friends or to people they know even if their posts are not up to par with other quality posts. I am really hopeful about this new system but I'm also skeptical about its implications on new members that are working their butts off just to work up and climb their rankings.

Mevz

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Quote from: MURONDI on January 26, 2018, 12:51:17 PM

Perhaps many buy and sell merit points in secret, I think it is very difficult to get merit points, most people will probably take a shortcut, maybe they have multiple accounts to send each other..

I think selling Merit points is not prohibited by the moderators if im not wrong. We can't avoid that cheating we must be friendly too so that anyone would love your post and give a damn time to click add merit. It was just like owe your kindness when you give him for return.

Quote from: LTU_btc on January 26, 2018, 08:26:00 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on January 26, 2018, 04:57:17 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on January 26, 2018, 10:36:55 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-have-26-merits-buy-it-if-you-want-2827197

That's a desperate one, everyone is aware that merits are not for sale and it shouldn't be bought.

It was just one random thread which I noticed. But take a look here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-users-that-are-abusing-merit-system-2823221
You can see how many people are suspected that they are abusing Merit system. So, not everyone aware that they shouldn't sell merits. And I'm sure that some of these people understand and know what they are doing and how they are risking

All of us wants to have merits but not in that way selling or buying LOL. Also we couldn't control their accounts and when a shitposter could earn high merit, this system would be useless.

LTU_btc

legendary

Activity: 3234

Merit: 1375

Slava Ukraini!

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on January 26, 2018, 04:57:17 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on January 26, 2018, 10:36:55 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-have-26-merits-buy-it-if-you-want-2827197

That's a desperate one, everyone is aware that merits are not for sale and it shouldn't be bought.

It was just one random thread which I noticed. But take a look here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-users-that-are-abusing-merit-system-2823221
You can see how many people are suspected that they are abusing Merit system. So, not everyone aware that they shouldn't sell merits. And I'm sure that some of these people understand and know what they are doing and how they are risking

DarkStar_

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Activity: 2772

Merit: 3284

Quote from: richardsNY on January 26, 2018, 08:13:01 PM

Quote from: Hydrogen on January 26, 2018, 06:36:26 PM

On the plus side, they could incentivize posters to try harder to make quality posts. It could be a good system in some respects.

It already started to have that effect I noticed after theymos's implementation of the Merit 'system'. In some cases it's very obvious that people are posting in a very forced manner to obtain a Merit or two, but at least they put time and effort into their posts, and that's something we can all be happy with, and especially so when we're a few months away from now. I am glad that theymos allocated his precious time to getting this Merit system up and running -- people for so long were complaining about theymos to not do anything about spammers, and now it shows that he does actually do something to prevent further spamming.

Not exactly the same, but the general idea is the same.

richardsNY

legendary

Activity: 1232

Merit: 1091

Quote from: Hydrogen on January 26, 2018, 06:36:26 PM

On the plus side, they could incentivize posters to try harder to make quality posts. It could be a good system in some respects.

It already started to have that effect I noticed after theymos's implementation of the Merit 'system'. In some cases it's very obvious that people are posting in a very forced manner to obtain a Merit or two, but at least they put time and effort into their posts, and that's something we can all be happy with, and especially so when we're a few months away from now. I am glad that theymos allocated his precious time to getting this Merit system up and running -- people for so long were complaining about theymos to not do anything about spammers, and now it shows that he does actually do something to prevent further spamming.

Hydrogen

legendary

Activity: 2562

Merit: 1441

I stopped posting on reddit after a few valid points I made were downvoted into oblivion due to people disliking or failing to understand them. I understand a merit system doesn't have this effect. But I still think that upvote / downvote systems (and potentially merit systems to a degree) could introduce more negative implications into content and user classifications than they do promote positive quirks.

On the plus side, they could incentivize posters to try harder to make quality posts. It could be a good system in some respects. It could depend on how prevalent account farming is, here. To be effective the farming might have to be reduced as it opens up the system to greater exploitation. Pay for play "merit" isn't something I know much about. It would seem to be associated with farming, can't say I know much about that.

batang_bitcoin

hero member

Activity: 3080

Merit: 603

Quote from: MURONDI on January 26, 2018, 12:51:17 PM

Perhaps many buy and sell merit points in secret,

They will be exposed soon in no time.

Quote from: MURONDI on January 26, 2018, 12:51:17 PM

I think it is very difficult to get merit points, most people will probably take a shortcut, maybe they have multiple accounts to send each other..

There's no shortcut to success so if they will do it then they will be known and probably be tagged by DT's.

Quote from: LTU_btc on January 26, 2018, 10:36:55 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-have-26-merits-buy-it-if-you-want-2827197

That's a desperate one, everyone is aware that merits are not for sale and it shouldn't be bought.

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