Topic: Merit system is not working, failed! (Read 2690 times)

Not all new members... just the ones that want to advance rank to earn money.

This forum is for discussion of bitcoin - merit was created to dissuade people that don't want to discuss bitcoin.

Based on your post, it is working as intended. 

It's look merit system working fine. You didn't get merit it doesn't mean that system aren't working. Yes forum flooding by new people but maximum come for bounty and airdrop. Not for merit , I mean they just come for earn money. They didn't try to make some useful or HQ post. I just visit your profile. You posted only one thread that your own. Others are all shit reply on other post. How you expect merit ?
And what does you mean no one will give you free merit ? It's true. Why someone will give you merit on shitpost ? You must need pay your time, knowledge and idea for this forum. Money can't give you merit expect some corrupted member's. Forget complain and try to make some good post.

Merit is generally a good idea, I can agree here. But you have to create very special posts and since then it's not sure you'll get a merit. The merit requirements are too harsh and new members are disappointed very soon if their merit score remains low. 
It's a big injustice for us new members registrated after introduction of merits. The members registrated before are still spamming and have already the rank. They had nothing to do for this, only spamming twitter and facebook bounty reports for getting a very high rank. A situation as we have it now is not fair to all Newbies and Jr. Members. The high rank accounts with low effort posts are probably laughing at us now because they have already their high rank.
It's better to force all established members to begin at 0 merits, so everyone has the same conditions and no advantages to those who registrated before 2018. I hope you can understand my point of view. If everyone would begin at 0 there were better equal conditions for ranking up and stop spam from lof effort high ranked accounts.

But the merit system from now is very demotivating because it makes for 95 percent only a very low progress.

Let us not easily jump into conclusion.  I think we need to be patient with Theymos and the mods as they approve new merit sources.  As the number of merit sources increase, (hopefully) the number of members that will evaluate every posts will increase also resulting to the sufficiency in the merit distribution.

I empathize with you regarding the frustration that even though some of your posts can be considered as quality posts, you are not receiving any merit which makes it hard for you to rank up.  This is the result of the transitioning status from the previous ranking system to the new ranking system (with merit system).  As I have said, we are only in a transition period.  Sooner or later, everything will settle down.

Do not worry, you are not the alone in this journey of being affected by this transition and changes.  The higher ranked members (especially the senior members, full members, and hero members) are the ones that are greatly affected by this merit system.

Overall, we need to get back to the real intention of introducing the system - for the benefit of the forum and everyone else.  The Merit System is not designed to harm anyone.  If you find some abnormalities regarding it, don't just judge the system but be an innovator. 

Think about it, Suggest solutions, Discussed with others, and find ways to improve it (or to perfect it).

many thanks

Maybe for you its not working because I can see that your post is still low quality, but for some it helps newbies to upgrade their post quality and thats the mail goal of the system.

Merits have actually been circulated in the forum. What did you mean?

It is good to see merit circulation like this because it shows that merit system has actually had real positive effects on shitposters, who are not able to earn merits through their threads.

There are abundant threads with the same ideas as yours, and I feel tired of them. Please stop it, and start reading more to be able to compose more constructive, informative threads, mate.

Merit system is neccesary, only thing is we need more sMerit in circulation. Maybe we will hear some news regarding this. Releasing more sMerit would be a great decision to everyone.

Just need to do a real usefull post and people will be share merit. It is a fact.

It has passed 4 months and still most of the people with just 2-3 merit points.

The merit points system works well. Even though I haven't got any merith yet. In the Russian-speaking branch merit get even harder than in English. To earn merit I began to learn English. Began to do translations of interesting topics in Russian. I want to achieve success and wish you the same.

Merit system is working good but it can be greater if we give red trust the  abusers.
We maybe also need an adjustment now since airdrop it's gone.

I think the member itself should choose a topic that really contribute to this forum, cause most of time people prefer to post in a thread were in, it's already have 1-50 pages. Usually this kind of thread are just repeating the answer by everyone just to complete their required post. So try to find a unique topic, and give an informative post so you can get merit.

To me, I feel is working to an extent. It has helped make everyone's account to be static and only by one's efforts can one rank up. Before now, it was just all about signature campaigns and no one really cared about their post quality. But at least post quality has significantly improved and the forum is more meaningful now.

What did you want to do, noob?
The topic is for discussions on negative sides of merit system in the bitcointalk forum, not about bitcoin.
Moreover, merit system has performed good, and contributed changing the forum better.
Therefore, the topic itself is a shitty ones, which came from shitposters, who are not able to earn merit via merit-deserved threads.

It is ironic that there are many such members in the forum, they are the seniors who succeeded in going to level up not because of their quality but only because of activities that have qualified for the level. Well, that was before the existence of this merit system of course, now this is another story. So, what about spammers who have already reached the highest level? I do not consider myself good, I admit I am still learning and still need a lot of improvement. well, I just hope the future there is a rule that allows members of the forum to downgrade their ranks if not reaching the target of merit.

That is the best question to describe this saying :

to contribute a member of a community you need to make a contribution for the community first.


I agree with you, seems no 2 can not create constructive post by now, i hope he/she grind his/her lessons well to improve his/her self. And i am glad too that right now rank is something achieved rather than just something will come to us based on time. It really gives a kind of satisfaction if you achieve the ranks with your hard work.


In my opinion, 1 month is already the best time for merit replenishment. What we need now is just more merit sources, especially sources for different kind of board.

That's what criminals or violator say when a president or a leader implement the new law in the country or on the group  not saying you are one.
Laws best results come after six months to one year, though there are some changes that might happen during this months due to some factors, like what you said it is not moving, reason is its important not to just give and give your merits, since it is not auto-replenished every week nor months, but mod may find ways how people are encouraged to give merits to those who deserve it.

As for those who will read this, please observe their difference in constructing a post; legend (1)Hero Member, (2)Newbie:

(1)

(2)

To be honest, I would accept the fact that the (2) Newbie can't create a constructive post because he is Newbie (assuming this is not an alt account), but when I read the post of a (1) Hero Member looking like that, I was SHOKETH, I mean I expect more from him. Not trying to be harsh because maybe its not his native language or anything but if it is indeed his mother tongue, then you have to improve your communication skills, High Ranks supposed to be role models (not trying to be discriminant).

Glad that the Merit System made the Ranks really mean something and not just some title hanging below your name.

Regarding lack of merits to give, one option to increase the merits in circulation is by increasing the number of merit sources. Now the admin is already doing so and he might be finding it hard to find more responsible and honest members for this task. This roles comes with a lot of power and should not go in wrong hands. I think better solution is increasing the number of merits allotted to each merit source. They should have plenty of merits to give to members.


With current stats and rules, only thing we can do is that make some good posts and then expect merits. This will also give us Smerits which we can give to others.