Merit system is not working, failed! - page 3.

chansss30

newbie

Activity: 140

Merit: 0

Quote from: padcoin on February 01, 2018, 07:29:45 AM

The merit system is not working, look the merit points of people on the forum, it does not move (even for the more relevant posts), the forum established a system which was suppose to penalize newcomers flooding the forum with useless post, but the forum penalize itself, good luck everybody, If you think people will give you merit points for free you are mistaken.

Some people will not give you merit because they try so hard to get that number of merits, but some other people who has enough merit to give someone who is barely need a merit. Its hard to earn merit indeed but it is for the forums good, to feel the spammers that they are not fit in this forum.

BTCeminjas

member

Activity: 322

Merit: 23

Quote from: krishnaverma on March 01, 2018, 01:38:47 PM

Quote from: onnz423 on March 01, 2018, 01:19:52 PM

Well people obviously do earn merits, however it's mostly shared among those that know each other and are hence more likely to like each others posts. Also, there is pretty much no reason in giving merits to hero or legendary members as they have already reached maximum level. Unless Theymos modifies the merit system with respect to these users, there is no point receiving merit as a Legendary. In any case, I think the system was actually a success overall, yes there are issues, and yes most of the merit is hoarded by the fortunate few, but there are also outliers who are rewarded in merit. Become an outlier and you'll be merited.

See, I understand that it might be frustrating not being able to get merits even after some good quality posts especially for new members. I even saw some senior members complain about this. But, the issue is that some new members are still able to do well. They are able to get merits from different members here. This means that there is not fault with merit system. If that was the case, no new member would have been able to rank up.

Hopefully, everyone who gives smerit here in the forum will be fair enough not to give because you know him. Yeah, people here got frustrating not being able to get smerits because some of them are hurrying to rank up. Not fault of merit system but those members here who will give smerit some of them are having favoritism to the members that they send smerit.
Just like me, i suppose to be a Full member now but I stock here in my rank but well, it's a new challenge.

krishnaverma

full member

Activity: 1470

Merit: 108

Quote from: onnz423 on March 01, 2018, 01:19:52 PM

Well people obviously do earn merits, however it's mostly shared among those that know each other and are hence more likely to like each others posts. Also, there is pretty much no reason in giving merits to hero or legendary members as they have already reached maximum level. Unless Theymos modifies the merit system with respect to these users, there is no point receiving merit as a Legendary. In any case, I think the system was actually a success overall, yes there are issues, and yes most of the merit is hoarded by the fortunate few, but there are also outliers who are rewarded in merit. Become an outlier and you'll be merited.

See, I understand that it might be frustrating not being able to get merits even after some good quality posts especially for new members. I even saw some senior members complain about this. But, the issue is that some new members are still able to do well. They are able to get merits from different members here. This means that there is not fault with merit system. If that was the case, no new member would have been able to rank up.

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2828

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

Quote from: onnz423 on March 01, 2018, 01:19:52 PM

Well people obviously do earn merits, however it's mostly shared among those that know each other and are hence more likely to like each others posts. Also, there is pretty much no reason in giving merits to hero or legendary members as they have already reached maximum level. Unless Theymos modifies the merit system with respect to these users, there is no point receiving merit as a Legendary. In any case, I think the system was actually a success overall, yes there are issues, and yes most of the merit is hoarded by the fortunate few, but there are also outliers who are rewarded in merit. Become an outlier and you'll be merited.

Did you see I gave a merit to the post above yours. I don't know the guy, and have had no previous interaction with him.

Giving merit to Heros and Legendaries allows them to pass on sMerit to other posters - that's the way the system works.

It also gives us some feeddback on the community sentiment about our actions. Right at the moment I'm getting seriously p'd off with the lazy arses who can't be bothered to search before asking a question for the 200th time, and posting it on the wrong board. It's a pretty thankless task scanning through hundreds of ill-written and badly structed posts. Maybe I should give up and see if I have a domain name with "coin" in it to start my own parallel chain.

onnz423

hero member

Activity: 840

Merit: 508

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Well people obviously do earn merits, however it's mostly shared among those that know each other and are hence more likely to like each others posts. Also, there is pretty much no reason in giving merits to hero or legendary members as they have already reached maximum level. Unless Theymos modifies the merit system with respect to these users, there is no point receiving merit as a Legendary. In any case, I think the system was actually a success overall, yes there are issues, and yes most of the merit is hoarded by the fortunate few, but there are also outliers who are rewarded in merit. Become an outlier and you'll be merited.

krishnaverma

full member

Activity: 1470

Merit: 108

Quote from: BTCeminjas on March 01, 2018, 06:23:34 AM

A month ago the merit system will imposed and until now they are still complaining about the merit system and most who did that those lower ranks members, they are just like barking always about merit system. You know why those higher rank did not do this because when it comes earning profits here in forum Legendary and Hero member are just the same, and mostly those ranks treat arrogant to the newcomers especially newbie besides of helping being motivated in doing good post. Do you think they did not go through the lower rank or just a newbie?

Your post is very confusing. At one point you are saying that new members are only posting complains about the merit system. Then you start criticizing the senior embers that they are making money with signature campaigns. Who is right here then ? I think we have all types of people in different ranks. The rank of a person has nothing to do with his character, a senior member might not be very well behaved. Personally, I had got good encouragement and support from all members here.

doomistake

hero member

Activity: 1400

Merit: 571

Quote from: padcoin on February 01, 2018, 07:29:45 AM

The merit system is not working, look the merit points of people on the forum, it does not move (even for the more relevant posts), the forum established a system which was suppose to penalize newcomers flooding the forum with useless post, but the forum penalize itself, good luck everybody, If you think people will give you merit points for free you are mistaken.

Looks like merits could be found more on this thread, that is why if you have notice, every signature campaigns allows their participants to post on meta, which is not allowed way back then when we don't have this merit system yet, but I am not against this merit system, this merit system minimize those users who are creating more accounts so that they could abuse every signature campaign.

With this system, those kinds of people will have second thoughts, they are going to be lazy on making multiple accounts since ranking up is too hard if you are not posting good quality post, so if you are not gaining any merits at all, meaning you should improve more of your post quality.

BTCeminjas

member

Activity: 322

Merit: 23

A month ago the merit system will imposed and until now they are still complaining about the merit system and most who did that those lower ranks members, they are just like barking always about merit system. You know why those higher rank did not do this because when it comes earning profits here in forum Legendary and Hero member are just the same, and mostly those ranks treat arrogant to the newcomers especially newbie besides of helping being motivated in doing good post. Do you think they did not go through the lower rank or just a newbie?

subSTRATA

legendary

Activity: 1288

Merit: 1043

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Quote from: cryptokingdom on February 27, 2018, 03:24:15 PM

The merit system have not failed. I feel if you make a quality post that solves someone problem merit may be given to you. Just make sure you work hard and obey the forum rules.

posting on a forum is work? ok dude.

Quote from: n0ne on February 27, 2018, 04:23:09 PM

When something is implemented or changed to the systematic form initially some issues will be arising. One such is the recent merit trading for the purpose of getting into signature campaign. Now, those users getting tagged will let the rest of the users understand the tragedy behind such activity.

thought this would be a thing when i read about the merit system being implemented a few weeks ago, havent really had time since then to be on the forum to see it happen though. of course, i don't know if these changes may already have been put into place, or if the system has changed, but implementing a cooldown on giving the same user merit per 24 hr period or applying diminishing returns for merit given multiple times in a given time period might prove effective to stopping this.

Quote from: blackmagical on February 28, 2018, 03:09:49 AM

Wow. Just wow. Look at some people here just begging for merits just to rank. I just can’t believe it. Nothings for free now boys. Earn it, merits are like respect, if you can’t show respect, you won’t get any. So earn it bud. Earn it just like every single one of us low rankers.

it's to be expected when there's money involved, especially when third world country users starting thinking that posting on a forum qualifies as actual employment. it's no different than people farming accounts for campaigns.

Quote from: Jet Cash on February 28, 2018, 05:33:30 AM

Quote from: holder99 on February 28, 2018, 05:10:36 AM

For the time being, we can only say that we have not succeeded, but we can not say that we failed. After all, we still have a lot of spam restrictions. Just do not know how long such repression can last.

Hopefully once we get rid of the bulk of the spammers, their repression of the decent members will be ameliorated.

i've seen this line of thought thrown out here multiple times, but the spammers never really do stop do they? it's not going to be a problem that i think will ever get solved unless theymos starting putting down some really strict rules, which i dont believe he will do something that severe.

CryptoGorilla

member

Activity: 294

Merit: 10

Quote from: Taki on March 01, 2018, 05:40:35 AM

You simply envy. There are many users of your rank who deserved a lot of merits already for their posts. Of course I admit that there are cheaters who abuse merit system and get merits not fair way, but in the biggest number of cases the system is working well. The main thing here is that you need to stop to complain and learn to earn merits with your quality posting, because of your complains are leading to nowhere, the Merit system will not be cancelled or changed, so learn to live with that!

I think the point was that sometimes you see posts from people of a higher rank, you wonder how that person was ever able to gain that rank, because their posts contain only rubbish and newby-content. I understand that can be frustrating to see.

Taki

hero member

Activity: 1078

Merit: 514

You simply envy. There are many users of your rank who deserved a lot of merits already for their posts. Of course I admit that there are cheaters who abuse merit system and get merits not fair way, but in the biggest number of cases the system is working well. The main thing here is that you need to stop to complain and learn to earn merits with your quality posting, because of your complains are leading to nowhere, the Merit system will not be cancelled or changed, so learn to live with that!

Cryptomagnus

jr. member

Activity: 150

Merit: 2

Actually, what is really irritating about merit system is not the system itself (with just some adjustments it will work fine) but the incredible arrogance of those who feel protected in their position and talk as they were professional copywriters.
Let be serious: there are a lot of high ranks that - with the new rules - would be still jr. member, and this is very simple to verify if you check their history.

I don't complain about this, life is unfair and - if someone was in the right place in the right moment - I congratulate him.

But I ask them a favor: stop making fun of us! Enjoy your privilege and shut up!

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: padcoin on February 01, 2018, 07:29:45 AM

Actually, it works because I get merit for my constructive thread. Of course, by now I got only one merit for one of my constructive posts (I simply call them constructive, not high-quality), but I might get more merits when more readers read my posts. Some of them will like my threads,feel satisfied and send their sMerits to me.

Users who are simply join the forum for getting money and begging for merits will certainly not get them as main point of merit system influence.

CryptoGorilla

member

Activity: 294

Merit: 10

Quote from: Jet Cash on February 28, 2018, 05:33:30 AM

Quote from: holder99 on February 28, 2018, 05:10:36 AM

For the time being, we can only say that we have not succeeded, but we can not say that we failed. After all, we still have a lot of spam restrictions. Just do not know how long such repression can last.

Hopefully once we get rid of the bulk of the spammers, their repression of the decent members will be ameliorated.

Maybe an insta-ban for newbies who only post 'when lambo' or 'when airdrop'? Cheesy

Or filter out everybody who writes English like a 4-year old but has a legendary / full member-status. I seem to come upon those a lot lately.

English isn't my native language but at least try to do some effort. I improved my English by watching the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Also improved my Carlton-dance-moves.

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2828

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

Quote from: holder99 on February 28, 2018, 05:10:36 AM

For the time being, we can only say that we have not succeeded, but we can not say that we failed. After all, we still have a lot of spam restrictions. Just do not know how long such repression can last.

Hopefully once we get rid of the bulk of the spammers, their repression of the decent members will be ameliorated.

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2828

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

Quote from: Cryptomagnus on February 24, 2018, 09:56:52 AM

Nobody is happy with the merit system, out of Legendaries, because now you need to work hard to earn the right to rank up.
But it was absolutely necessary, and now the forum is a better place.
With some improvement (I think that the circulating merits are too few) it will achieve the goal.

I like the merit system, so it is not true to say tht nobody like it. It needs a bit of fine tuning, but no doubt that will come in the future.

btw - did you notice that I gave you a merit for your post on the economics board.

holder99

member

Activity: 140

Merit: 12

For the time being, we can only say that we have not succeeded, but we can not say that we failed. After all, we still have a lot of spam restrictions. Just do not know how long such repression can last.

CryptoGorilla

member

Activity: 294

Merit: 10

Quote from: blackmagical on February 28, 2018, 03:09:49 AM

Wow. Just wow. Look at some people here just begging for merits just to rank. I just can’t believe it. Nothings for free now boys. Earn it, merits are like respect, if you can’t show respect, you won’t get any. So earn it bud. Earn it just like every single one of us low rankers.

I just pointed out that in a lot of threads there aren't any forum-members eligible to even give merit, so the system isn't really encouraging everybody to make good posts.

I don't care about rank, I care about quality.

blackmagical

member

Activity: 98

Merit: 10

Wow. Just wow. Look at some people here just begging for merits just to rank. I just can’t believe it. Nothings for free now boys. Earn it, merits are like respect, if you can’t show respect, you won’t get any. So earn it bud. Earn it just like every single one of us low rankers.

CryptoGorilla

member

Activity: 294

Merit: 10

Quote from: CarlosCorreia on February 27, 2018, 06:10:13 PM

I really think this merit system do not benefit the forum!

I'm not seeing less spam. I still see a bunch of crappy posts!

This only affect the new comers that get demotivated because they can’t rank up and see crappy post from legendary being merited.

And the new threads "submit here your posts for my evaluation". This is not the goal! People should give merit because the posts deserve, not because someone asks!
This kind of threads should be banned! If you want to share your sMerit give it to posts that you read and thought useful, not to the ones who come and ask for it.
And the people that open this threads are the ones who receive more Merit!!!!! In my opinion they are killing merit system.

I have been paying some attention, because I'm about to "not" rank up due to lack of merit, and in the topics that I read (most altcoins) I do not see merit to anyone...
The section where you see more merit is Meta! Is this the section with good cryptocurrency posts?? I think not!

I usually write good posts, but people do not care to give merit to others!
I need 150 merit points and I do not know where I will get them!

I think I am valuable to the community!
I write some posts on Steemit and usually place the links on the related topics.
I help people whenever I can and know how to.
I report SPAM and SCAMERS.
I share with the community the news, new good Airdrops, new crypto related projects.
I give me opinion in speculation threads.

And with all this I only got 2 merit points since the system is implemented!

I understand what you are saying. I didn't even know that the merit-system was linked on moving up on rank, I just assumed it was to reward users for quality posts.

Maybe that's how it should be?

If you for example see a post by a Legendary Member with the minimal amount of merit, that should mean that this person puts up low quality posts... On the other hand, when you see a post by a Legendary Member that has lots of merit, you should conclude that this person only posts high quality content... The problem with this is, that you seem to be 'around' people that already have lots of merit that they can give, right?

If you post high quality content but everyone who appreciates it, isn't able to give you merit for it, is misleadingly seems that you post low quality stuff... Or do I misinterpret?

Apart from the whole merit thing, when learning (the hard way by getting banned Undecided

) about the rules on bitcointalk, I tried to post good content and not just 'why this coin so low' or 'when bountie dev pls'.

I consider bitcointalk, next to the websites & social media channels that are cryptorelated a big source of valuable information but yes, there is a lot of crap on here. The difficulty is how to seperate crap from the real stuff and the merit-system is an effort to do this, but in my opinion only succeeds 50 percent, since a lot of people try to work on making bitcointalk a better place & they don't get the merit.

Or am I missing something here?

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