Topic: Merit system is not working, failed! - page 2. (Read 2678 times)

People who complain against System Merit are those who do not have the capacity and desire to be better. Though directly merit system has made us motivated to be able to make a quality post, in essence we are required to contribute to this forum. I admit it is heavy, but we have to respond positively. For someone who really wants a serious concentration to learn Bitcoin and cryptocurrency then merit points can help us to cultivate cryptocurrency much better. Believe that when we do our best then we will also get a satisfactory result. Just imagine when the merit system is not enforced, we will not be serious and maybe our goal is just getting the money alone without any desire to learn Bitcoin much better. In fact we can see that the condition of the current BTT forum is much better than before.

True, how can I credit someone for a decent quality post when I don't have any merits to give?

I really welcome merit system. Obviously yes, though we do make quality posts they are unnoticed.

The main reason for less merits is when one replies to a thread,  the previous replies are skipped to be read. Here where a quality post do not receive a merit.  80% of quality posts are omitted  in this scenario.

And another reason, lack of merits. When one wishes to give a merit, merit is not available. Since it's very low to guys with ranks below Sr.Member, merit bucket is empty.  How then an merit would be given.  

These two things can be looked at.

could be a post that you think is not necessarily the same perceived quality by others. the merit system, in my opinion, is already good but only its application is less good, maybe for future later can be fixed again.

I understand the aim but claming that posters now research before posting isn't true.

Check out ANY thread and look for researched posts. They are still a big minority between the 'when airdrop' and 'why this coin so low' kind of posts.

I agree, theymos wants eliminate/lessen the redundancy of threads and replies that's why they create this merit system. I think this is very effective, because thru help of this merit system more participants now are conducting research before posting. I observed it because most of the posts I read now have a lot of senses, moreover the posts now I read had more constructive compared before.

I think we all must slow down with all this "merit problem". For this isn't even real. There is no problem at all.
Here in the forum there is a lot of people, thousands of them. And, everyday, we can read more and more topics related to merits which are, as less, wrong. Even when I can understand who it seems too difficult for newbies to reach a position here, it has been difficult for years.
The forum is being contaminated more and more by new posters who just want to earn some money here and, instead of new writers wanting to get some information. If all that you want here is to earn some cash, then they are a lot of other websites where you can provide your services in order to achieve that goal.

Precisely, newbies concern seems to be, almost all, how to rank out here, instead of how to earn bitcoin or learning about trading. This  is not a place just meant to earn, but a place meant to learn.

He is probably referring to the fact that we have the majority of merit points. At the end of the day you shouldn't really need a high rank unless you need to post a lot and there is already a solution for that, copper members. The fact that people complain so much about merit means it is actually working.

Maybe  thymos teaches us how to become generous to the other members. Keeping that sMerits will never be included with your merits rather than that we are going to share it and it Will come come back to the next sMerit. If your  lucky to have so many sMerit then just share it to everybody with whom you choose deserving with their posts. Dont be afraid of doing it so, if it Will Help others to level UP. Good luck to everybody.

What power? I've got no more power than you have.

Well I guess I can add an avatar to my profile - is that power?

The merit system worked perfect for its real purpose, that is to freeze the situation and to allow high rank to keep their position of power.
About spam and shitpost, the only result of the merit system is that now people create more and more accounts just to make more and more shitpost, just to earn some cheap money aven at jr.level.
IMHO, not a big result. But nobody cares.

Great post got 2 merits. Forwarding to general Meta board and calling a complete stranger "sweetie". A great example of rewarding! Well done! Too bad I don't have sMerit to gave it to people for such a nice judgment skill.

I'm quite harsh because I got permanently banned from the forum without any warning before. I learnt the hard way, nobody warned me... On the other hand, I don't think many new members will go and read all the rules before posting, but only posting 'when lambo' or 'when airdrop' is just stupid, it implies that the poster is lazy as fuck and doesn't even make the smallest effort... Like looking 2 posts up on the thread.

I noticed too that post quality improved, people at least try to write something meaningful if slight hope to get noticed and rewarded. But it is not widely used indeed. I like to see topics where High-rank members are trying to help Jr. members to rank up. Some doing opposite and helping other Sr. members. They have their own reasoning behind it and as long it is not against rules (more of against common sense though) it doesn't hurt.

I see merit point is currently still very rarely used, could be said to us as a user who is stingy. But I am sure over time all things can be improved and also will be a much better implementation. Merit is the subject of discussion at this time, there are people who feel harmed and some are not. But the real shape is now we have very rarely see post shit, everything gets better and all users try to make the post useful and much more qualified than ever before.

The point is when we set our eyes and mind on merit, you might be discouraged because it doesn't come easy. You have to contribute meaningfully plus that members don't either remember to use the merit button or they are just stingy to give it.

We need to learn to give out merit to rewarding post.    We have started seeing the effect of the merit in many account lately as they don't have sufficient merit to rank up but there activities are already there  to help them rank up unlike before. We should have had many new ranks now but I have barely seen anyone ranking up yet because of the draw back from merit.

Uhh, that's why they're newbies? I'm not taking their side, its just that you might want to take it into consideration at some point (instant ban, that's pretty harsh TBH). If you don't like what you see, then report them. But on the other hand just help them, and what I mean is that, don't just provide them what they need - guide them to what they have to do.


If you realized it by now, the ranking system back then was not taken into effect, its like just how long have you been here (thanks to the Merit System then).

Like you've said, maybe English is not their native language. But you're right they have to make some effort if they wanted to improve.

It's not true that the system is not working: as I wrote in another thread, the main goal - to reduce spam and shitpost - is achieved, and there is a general improvement of the quality of the posts.
And i't not true that it's impossible to rank up: I received 16 merits starting from zero, so - even slowly - its' not impossible.
And if spammers and shitposters will be discouraged... well it seems to me a good results

Of course, there are a lot of aspects that can be improved, but I saw that Theymos is very open to advice, so...we'll see.

@CarlosCorreia

'I really think this merit system do not benefit the forum!' - Care to share that to theymos?

'I'm not seeing less spam. I still see a bunch of crappy posts!' - Well, the Merit System is not responsible for deleting - not to mention ancient topics. They've been there for years now, if the higher ups decided to delete it would you be satisfied?

'This only affect the new comers that get demotivated because they can’t rank up and see crappy post from legendary being merited.' - Because then, the ranking system was taken for granted, it only means for how long have you been active to this forum. But the new System changed that, then again these legendary ranks that have crappy posts have been here for quite some time now so you can't blame them.

Also, would you care to provide some links as proof for your accusations?

'And the new threads "submit here your posts for my evaluation". This is not the goal! People should give merit because the posts deserve, not because someone asks!' - Mate, that's what they're doing, the forum is so massive they don't have the time to review all of the members (talk about a hundred thousand of members). So their resolve is to volunteer.

'This kind of threads should be banned! If you want to share your sMerit give it to posts that you read and thought useful, not to the ones who come and ask for it.' - Should be banned you say? So what about those scammers in the altcoin section?

'And the people that open this threads are the ones who receive more Merit!!!!! In my opinion they are killing merit system.' - Nope they are implementing the Merit System.

'I have been paying some attention, because I'm about to "not" rank up due to lack of merit, and in the topics that I read (most altcoins) I do not see merit to anyone... The section where you see more merit is Meta! Is this the section with good cryptocurrency posts?? I think not!' - Then create a thread for this, if you're that desperate.

'I usually write good posts, but people do not care to give merit to others! I need 150 merit points and I do not know where I will get them!' - Didn't you even consider that, maybe they are not familiar to the System? If you're really that good, then like I said make a thread about this.

'I think I am valuable to the community! I write some posts on Steemit and usually place the links on the related topics. I help people whenever I can and know how to. I report SPAM and SCAMERS. I share with the community the news, new good Airdrops, new crypto related projects. I give me opinion in speculation threads.' - I salute you for what you've done. But you see mate, respect comes with humbleness, also patience is a great factor.

'And with all this I only got 2 merit points since the system is implemented!' - Be grateful that you've earned that amount of Merits, some members don't even get a single Merit.

Yep, the laziness of noobs has been a problem for a long time now--since way before the merit system, but now every time I see a noob boob starting a stupid thread, my suspicion is that it's to earn merit. 

And yeah, good posts are buried under a mountain of garbage,  BUT I've sent a lot of merit to jr members who made some effort at posting interesting stuff.  I wasn't familiar with most of the users I gave merit to, so it's not like I gave it to all my favorite members (though they did receive some). 

Meritless noobs are just frustrated and pissed off, and they'll make their narrative fit whatever argument they think sounds best. The truth is that their posts suck.