Merit System Suggestion Update - page 4.

mahimonliner

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Quote from: EnaksiS on March 03, 2018, 04:55:20 PM

I was becoming a full member if the merit system didn't appaer. It was like five more days and walaa, system sit on my system. I am very angry because of that. I can't get 100 merit from someones. So i stucked at this level. Worst thing in the bitcointalk history!

I know many persons who stucked because of the merit system, but you know what its a good move because of that merit system members like us will focus on quality not quantity.
I personally do like the merit system.

mahimonliner

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I agreed with your opinion but I think thats a lot of work for admins to check every post and and send merit to the right person.
we should accept the system for our own good and appreciate a good post by giving merit to the right person.

EnaksiS

member

Activity: 252

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I was becoming a full member if the merit system didn't appaer. It was like five more days and walaa, system sit on my system. I am very angry because of that. I can't get 100 merit from someones. So i stucked at this level. Worst thing in the bitcointalk history!

Haterstestbtc

jr. member

Activity: 329

Merit: 3

Quote from: alyssaxx on March 03, 2018, 04:15:20 PM

Quote from: Nissan-GTR on March 03, 2018, 01:17:07 PM

Quote from: 1993jochico on March 03, 2018, 01:09:49 PM

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

Positive side of this is that merit system will be fair to all newbies and elders here, and if the admins manage the merit system no useful and high quality post will be ignored.

Any more additional suggestions are welcome.
If you find something wrong in my post let me know to fix this.

I agree with this.. Since we are all working hard to gain merit and our status to go up.

Well,as a jr member i notice that merit system is a very hard procedure to rank up going to wear avatar it will take many years my account can participate to wear avatar. And this is my problem on how to collect almost 200 merits. In this procedure it is good for older users having mines of multiple account because it can give and take to there account farm also. I lose hope this kind of procedure hopefully this will not amended because many jr members and members are remains the same on that place.

DdmrDdmr

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There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain

I get your point, and like the idea of a sort of professional merit assignment group being this a set of administrators or a closed set of people who’s task or side task is to give merit. The problem is finding that closed set of people to entrust this task, which would be pretty time consuming, while withdrawing power that is now given to anyone with merit in their account.

One of the problems now with the system for topic posters is visibility. You can write a good post but not get noticed at all.

Some days ago I suggested trying to self-empower the posts that we found meritable, being this limited for example to being able to hilight a limited amount of our own posts per month (say 1 o 2 per ranking cicle fortnight). The idea would be to mark our post with a "hi, I think this post is worth while", having this post stand out a little by means of a mark of some sort.

I also stated that it would be maybe good to set a minimum length for posts to me merited. This is to filter out a lot of posts that are made now days which are one or two liners (ofcourse one could argue that if one were to announce tomorrow’s lottery numbers in just one line that should indeed be very meritable).

By the way, I think this thread goes in the Meta section ...

Angelic T

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The merit system really had good intensions and that was to enforce quality posts I this forum. But as it has always been in this world, anytime something good comes up, people find ways to manipulate the system. But this doesn't still take away the good intensions of the merit system and I think we should all do our best to make sure that its purpose is fulfilled.

eaLiTy

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Quote from: 1993jochico on March 03, 2018, 01:09:49 PM

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

It may be hard to get merits but there are many users probably merit sources who has created threads in this forum that gives out merit if you are a good poster. Just visit their threads. Wink

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My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

It is not possible for the admins to looks after all the users in this forum and keep on giving merits according to their post quality,they wont be adding new mods for that i guess,either way they will miss out people,because it is an impossible task, theymos appointed some users as merit source because they were interested and hopefully they will take care of that.

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EDIT: In additional I think we can make merit system automatic like activity. depends on the how long the post is, and if the post is not useful or quality merits can be gone if the post is deleted by the admins.
(there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted).

Merit system cannot be automatic like activity and if it does,then there is no use in implementing the feature in the first place,a quality post cannot be wagged on the number of paragraphs you filled and if that becomes a norm then you will see people writing gibberish to reach the post length.

thelemot

member

Activity: 241

Merit: 36

Quote from: 1993jochico on March 03, 2018, 01:09:49 PM

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

Positive side of this is that merit system will be fair to all newbies and elders here, and if the admins manage the merit system no useful and high quality post will be ignored.

EDIT: In additional I think we can make merit system automatic like activity. depends on the how long the post is, and if the post is not useful or quality merits can be gone if the post is deleted by the admins.
(there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted).

Any more additional suggestions are welcome.
If you find something wrong in my post let me know to fix this.

EDIT: Im not against this merit system, this system is nice because of its effect, Im just suggesting.

PLEASE DONT THINK IM COMPLAINING

I agree with your opinion, it is not fair for beginners who are very difficult to get merit. posting with good quality even if someone is reluctant to give merit what good quality post. so it would be better if fixed with new provisions. because this is only in favor of those who already have a high ranking.

alyssaxx

newbie

Activity: 193

Merit: 0

Quote from: Nissan-GTR on March 03, 2018, 01:17:07 PM

Quote from: 1993jochico on March 03, 2018, 01:09:49 PM

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

Positive side of this is that merit system will be fair to all newbies and elders here, and if the admins manage the merit system no useful and high quality post will be ignored.

Any more additional suggestions are welcome.
If you find something wrong in my post let me know to fix this.

I agree with this.. Since we are all working hard to gain merit and our status to go up.

Aura

sr. member

Activity: 518

Merit: 268

The so called "merit sources" don't belong in a forum regarding bitcoin, there should be a decentralized system instead. It's just a central agency that decides whether your post is valuable or not. They're also capable of distributing more merits, exactly how a central bank works. But I understand that immediate action needed to be taken to stop the increasing spam on this forum. However, I think there should be a different system to prevent this forum from spammers although I can't think of one myself right now

MakeMoneyBtc

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Activity: 1092

Merit: 117

The problem of merit system is that merit points are given by other members so they are limited. If I see a good post and give him 1 merit point, I have to get another point to regain my merit so that it is very hard to get a lot of merit points to rank up. Every member gives and receives merit ponits so what is the benefit? The merit circulates around the forum through the members and only a few people can actually rank up. I dont think there is a solution to this problem, because admins cant give merit to every single good post because thats a lot of work by them. I think this system should be removed or not influence how you rank up.

franky1

legendary

Activity: 4410

Merit: 4788

Quote from: joromz1226 on March 03, 2018, 03:55:14 PM

I think you're in the wrong thread you should post this in Meta section. Going back on topic. Who wants this kind of thing? first we don't need this king of system it's like they preventing us to rank up our profile.

why do you need to rank up...
how about just make good quality posts that help the community.. you know. its like life.. employment.. relationships..earn a promotion/recognition. dont expect a promotion/recognition just by turning up

then by being a good contributor instead of a spammer, your promotion/recognition will have more value

CryptoRobert

sr. member

Activity: 1015

Merit: 289

It is not really feasable that admins can check all the posts which are made. No way. We are speaking of thousands and thousands of posts every day, I guess. Moreover, this would mean the only the opinions which those few admins like would get merited - the effects long term would be terrible.
The way that has been chose is the best one I think, the only problem is the strong deflation of sMerits - there simply are not enough sMerit circulating in the system. Since it is difficult to get them, people tend not to give them out easily. This can and should be improved.

joromz1226

sr. member

Activity: 798

Merit: 258

I think you're in the wrong thread you should post this in Meta section. Going back on topic. Who wants this kind of thing? first we don't need this king of system it's like they preventing us to rank up our profile.

GetOutOfMyLife

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Activity: 210

Merit: 110

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The administrators and moderators have enough to deal with simply keeping the forum clear of spam, they do not have time to analyse post quality. Also, the issue of alt accounts meriting each other is invalid, they would need to be high quality alt accounts to have sMerit to spend in the first place. In my opinion, I think high quality alt accounts would contribute more to the forum than s***posting newbie or Jr accounts.

Merit is awarded to those that earn it, regardless of who they are, whether they be account farmers or not. If you post something that is high quality and contributes insight to the forum, then you deserve merit.

Mike Mayor

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Merit: 535

Quote from: franky1 on March 03, 2018, 03:24:08 PM

anyone that says they NEED hundreds of merits.. your missing the point

you NEED to make good contributions, and people will give you a pat on the back in the form of merits
and if you have had enough recognition for contributing positively by getting enough pats on the back in appraisal. then you rank up.

if your only concern is ranking up in weeks so you can get some bounty/sig campaign. then im sorry but your missing the point of this forum.
if your only concern is ranking up from a newbie in weeks. then im sorry but if thats what newbies think. then by the time they rank up a flood of hundreds of thousands of other newbies would have ranked up too, due too too many fingers in the bounty pie

forget about ranking up quicker. forget about making getting merit easier. just learn about bitcoin and help people out.
rank up due to quality posting, not quantity posting.

but yes if you see users getting lots of merit from certain users and those users got merits back of similar amounts within a certain time, (fake appraisals) then there should be a way to have their merit reduced especially if the posts are boring spammy non contributing quality

Yes we all know where you coming from. It's bit they system that is the problem. It's the forum members. They not using it enough and not sending out enough merits. It simply won't work if people don't play the game. There are also to few merits for everyone to have a change to rank up so only a select few will reach that rank and I know that certain people will get attention over others based purely on popularity just like steemit did. They need to reduce the amount if merits needed to rank or there is no point. Even when you try very hard you don't always get merits and that's unfair. Most people will not bother to merit you. People complain about it but it's their own fault. If you want to rank up then start giving out merits. If noone shares merits noone ranks up. It's pretty obvious. You help others and you help yourself. That's something many members of this forum need to realize.

franky1

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Activity: 4410

Merit: 4788

anyone that says they NEED hundreds of merits.. your missing the point

you NEED to make good contributions, and people will give you a pat on the back in the form of merits
and if you have had enough recognition for contributing positively by getting enough pats on the back in appraisal. then you rank up.

if your only concern is ranking up in weeks so you can get some bounty/sig campaign. then im sorry but your missing the point of this forum.
if your only concern is ranking up from a newbie in weeks. then im sorry but if thats what newbies think. then by the time they rank up.. a flood of hundreds of thousands of other newbies would have ranked up too,
which means the bounty/sig campaign awards you hope to get will be lot less, due too too many fingers in the bounty pie

forget about ranking up quicker. forget about making getting merit easier. just learn about bitcoin and help people out.
rank up due to quality posting, not quantity posting.

but yes if you see users getting lots of merit from certain users and those users got merits back of similar amounts within a certain time, (fake appraisals) then there should be a way to have their merit reduced especially if the posts are boring spammy non contributing quality

1993jochico

member

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Merit: 46

Quote from: renggileh on March 03, 2018, 02:07:01 PM

you have my voice, if i have smerit i will give it to you.
I also think so, it is better to give merit directly is a moderator. but is it possible? moderator check every post that is made.
because every day there must be thousands of posts and it is not possible to see them one by one. Huh

I think they can use automatic sysmtem for distribution like the activity system, there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted.

BitcoinGuruOne

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Merit: 13

Yeah , to be honest i have noticed some problems in this system also. But i feel hopeless because none actually cares other than low ranks.
And this is not about complaining because it is hard, the problem is that the system has flowed.

Anyone knows that there is a quality issue in the forum but i haven't seen a significant quality increase, it is still too hard ready almost every thread because it is full of garbage posts.

The flow can been seen easily, just take the merit transfers and check merit transfers above 5 merits, i guarantee that at least 5 of 10 cases you will see that transactions will be between 2 members back and forth, this abusing system and no one will do something about it because those who can do something just don't care.

renggileh

newbie

Activity: 280

Merit: 0

you have my voice, if i have smerit i will give it to you.
I also think so, it is better to give merit directly is a moderator. but is it possible? moderator check every post that is made.
because every day there must be thousands of posts and it is not possible to see them one by one. Huh

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