Topic: Merits Tree 2021 - Who gives merits to whom (Read 956 times)

That's true. You can't because your post history is useless bounty hunting garbage. Thanks for proving that the merit system works.

It's not. I can't make you a merit source, only theymos can.

Exactly this. Everybody (excluding bounty spammers) clearly reads the same sections that they post in. Therefore, you overlap with other users who read and post in the same sections as you. Therefore, small "merit circles" will naturally form between posters in each section. I mentioned this my earlier reply in this thread. At the same time, there are some highly merited users whom I have either barely merited or indeed not merited at all (or they me), because there is very little or no overlap in the sections in which we read and post.

This is not some big conspiracy - it is a basic pattern of social interaction.

I have to say, I have never once clicked on someone's profile to find a way to give merit back after they have merited me. Indeed, the only time I search profiles for good posts are when I come across newbies who aren't spammers.

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I would also repeat the statement I have made countless times, and invite anyone who thinks there are good posts or good posters going unmerited to flag them up in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/self-moderated-report-unmerited-good-posts-to-merit-source-5093271

Same with me, when I noticed the merit gang of a thing is over emphasised, I had to check through my profile with LoyceV merit data.
I noticed that the most 10 persons I send merits to are also my merit fans.
I think it is just like that. The merit system is reciprocal.
To be very honest, there is no how someone will send me upto 4merits which will give me 2 smerits that I will not be forced to check his profile to reciprocate. I am not sure it's the right thing to do, but I see myself doing it always.
And there's no how I will visit the person's profile without seeing a merit worthy post. This is because it takes quality to detect quality.
A good merit giver is also a quality poster.

I believe the merit system is working fine
I use myself as an example. During my member rank, I was bagging merits almost on daily basis. At a point I stopped making quality posts in engaging threads, I stopped creating topics nor help answer newbies questions. At this period, no matter how acquainted my merits fans were with my name, the merits stopped coming. It looked as if I was stucked for some months.
Now I started engaging well again, my merits have started growing.
So, it's all about consistency and availability. Even if there is a defect in the merit system, I believe it's infinitesimal. There is no ideal system anywhere, let's deal with what we have. Thanks!

But like I said, that's not a bad thing in itself!
In fact, this will happen to everyone, whether they are a source of merit or not!

I am not a source of merit and my tree indicates almost the same thing. Even when I give it to other users who are not a source of merit either.

This is because we usually receive merit from users who browse the same areas of the forum as we do, and those who have merir to give are the ones who participate the most. So it is normal that they are also the ones who receive the most.

But, when a new user starts to be participative, with quality, he also gradually starts to receive more and more merits, and a new cycle begins.

That's how the merits have worked, and I think it has worked well.

The ball is in your court.

I want no part of your riddles. My suggestion was for you to become part of a solution instead of blaming others for your perceived merit issues.

Not that there is any actual issue. No one has ever produced any kind of damning list of good valuable posters being deprived of merits because there are circles or whatever.

Are you prepared in 2022 to wipe the slate clean and start again?

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I actually said one time that anyone who is a merit source should be excluded from receiving further merits as I noticed a while ago that merits have a way (with out any deliberate intentions) to resurface near their origins.  I became Legendary prior to the merit system, so I look forward to the day I become "legendary" a second time having received ~1000 merits along with anyone trying to climb the ladder.

We're good, you and I.

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That is, in essence, was the point I was trying to make.

Thanks for this thread, it's very insightful.

See also:

• Giving merit to people when you don't agree with them
• Spending smerits as you earn them.
• Merit Backscratchers: who scratched who's back the most?
• Merit Sources without activity in the past 20 days
• why hoarding Smerits?

More if I can find them.

Just for your information, I never applied for merit source, I just woke up in noon and saw a PM from theymos. I keep meriting the same way I did before, but more frequently and with higher amounts. There's literally nothing bad about that. Don't be ironic to me (and to my fellow merit cyclers), your moaning to theymos.

BTW, merits have no value to people who are already above Sr. Member. It just shows respect.

Take it easy guys (or girls). This topic aims to have a different view of the path that merits take.

Perhaps many of us hadn't noticed before that the merits tend to "go back" to whoever gave them initially.
There are many factors for this, but the main one I think is the fact that who is a source of merit tends to be someone who makes quality posts. One thing leads to another.

So, despite finding an interesting analysis, no one escapes this fact: we receive merits from those who give.
So it's not worth stressing about it. Each one has its own method of attributing merits. And the fact that there is no pre-established standard is what makes this tool impartial. Since each one gives the merits in the way that he/she thinks most suitable for him/her.

Even those who receive and do not give merit have their value, due to the work they do in the community that deserves these merits.

It is good to debate how merits are awarded. This shows other ideas of how they can be used, and allows some to change their criteria or refine them.

So, guys, let's continue to build beautiful trees of merit!  


EDIT:
More trees of merit soon! 

Lead by example. Apply for a merit source position. theymos has given those out to scammers and shitcoiners and other dross so your chances are good.

To quote what LoyceV has written on many an occasion...


(but it is interesting that you appear to be making threats on behalf of another person to withhold giving out merits...)

Collusion?  Or just bravado?  Either way... Time to let it go...

You're lucky LoyceV has the skin of a hippo:



Although I doubt that your cringy begging here is going to earn you many other "merit fans".

Not one...


Not two...


Three raw nerves hit in one post.


Good. 

Not that my post actually canvased that particular topic ^{1}, but still - nice to know you''re still trying to put spin on a bad decision.  My point you missed in your haste to click flame reply is that your merits are not going down the totem pole, just buzzing around at about head height.

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^{1} - My use of the phrase merit circle comes from the BPIP page (example: https://bpip.org/Profile?p=theymos ) second section "Merit Information" last entry "circle"

If you want to complain about my meriting policy do it on the proper thread. You don't convince me to wear the Foxpup's avatar for this blame.

Since I've been notified 5 times that I am being dragged in to this nonsense drama which is being stirred up, I feel obligated to respond.

I frequent the technical boards. If you make good posts in the technical boards, then I will merit you. I pay little attention to who has made the post. There are a small subset of users which frequently make such posts and so I will merit them more. Such scenarios are the case for many other users or groups of users who frequently send merit in the WO thread, in the collectibles section, in their local boards, etc.

I would also point out that, at present, I have sent merit to the 6th highest number of unique users.

Any further concerns about my merit cycling can be directed to Foxpup.

Good work OP. Very informative. I never knew about your thread. I am using a notification Bot for mention and merits. I just figured out that you mentioned my name here. I am not that old member. I just woke up last year and make my come back to the forum. It's a good achievement for me that at least I got some merits from reputed members.

Anyways, Thank you very much.