Merits Tree 2021 - Who gives merits to whom - page 3.

DdmrDdmr

legendary

Activity: 2338

Merit: 10802

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Quote from: fillippone on January 03, 2022, 08:50:27 AM

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Rather than tree-like structures, I’d favour more node graphs with vectors between nodes indicating the amount of sMerits sent to and fro (if applicable). The sMerit Network was partly what I wanted to see (although there was no weight on the vertex, and I has to separate Sent and Received charts for ease of use), and Piggy’s gephi based solution was very nice, despite not being able to see the weights of the vertex on the graphs (which is important).

Tableau can do graph charting, although it is something I haven’t tried out, and I believe you still need to resort to external tools to determine the x,y coordinates to give each node (i.e. gephi). I kind of get the feeling it won’t perform great on a large volume, and as I said, the ideal solution would be seamless for updates, filterable, and display values on the vertex. I may look into it at some point, but not now.

I did have a tab called reciprocal merit on the Merit Dashboard a while back, where you could see all reciprocal sMerits between accounts, but it was painfully slow, so I eventually scrapped it.

Quote from: fillippone on January 04, 2022, 05:23:08 AM

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Nice one too. I think I tried something on Flourish, but it couldn’t handle all the data points I gave it at the time (all the TX BD basically).

Charles-Tim

legendary

Activity: 1512

Merit: 4795

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 04, 2022, 03:42:08 AM

What immediately caught my eye in this graphical representation is how stingy mocacinno is with rewarding others with merits. Tongue

Let's see if he says anything...

People can never be the same, that is how merit system works on this forum. Some people just like to hoard all because they are not that active while they only reply to few they read. Mocacinno is not that active on this forum. But I get your point, he is a type that did not focus on sending merit also. Grin

Quote from: Smartvirus on January 03, 2022, 07:03:42 PM

I for one subscribe to that idea of not paying any and I mean, any attention to anyone's merit history. It just doesn't help any one and since there is virtually nothing you could do about it as a forum user, there just isn't any point.

I was not part of Bitcointalk community in 2018 when the merit system was implement but I am very certain that many people will abused it at the time as they were automatically given half of their merit's smerits. It will be fun for some people to fetch out some merit abusers.

I like to check user's merit history just for fun and it can easily let me know how the person is good if I haven't noticed him before. Also I easily know someone's local board if active and posting good there.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on January 04, 2022, 03:57:01 AM

but as I said I'm not going to hold it against someone if they hoard all their sMerits, because nobody's required to participate in the merit system.

I either. But I can never send such people merit unless they quote my post for correction. But I think this type of people receive more merits by merit source because merit sources have to send to anyone if having quality posts.

The Sceptical Chymist

legendary

Activity: 3388

Merit: 6887

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 03, 2022, 03:48:41 PM

If anyone wants me to make their tree, just ask. Wink

OK then, you don't have to twist my arm: Can you please make me a tree? Thanks in advance (although I'm fairly sure I know what it's going to look like).

Quote from: Smartvirus on January 03, 2022, 07:03:42 PM

For sure I like the sentiments about this and the way you did put it. To be a no man's business on how smerits ate being handled. I for one subscribe to that idea of not paying any and I mean, any attention to anyone's merit history. It just doesn't help any one and since there is virtually nothing you could do about it as a forum user, there just isn't any point.

I think some members just do it for fun, and others are probably looking for people who might be abusing the system/sniffing out alts/whatever. There's no harm in it, but as I said I'm not going to hold it against someone if they hoard all their sMerits, because nobody's required to participate in the merit system.

Side note: it's more fun browsing through some members' trust pages, though I haven't done that in quite some time. It kind of gets old quick, and just like looking through people's merit history there's little point to it.

Pmalek

legendary

Activity: 2730

Merit: 7065

Quote from: babo on January 03, 2022, 07:05:37 AM

a person with Legendary rank has no advantages in receiving merits, as much as in spending them to incremental the pool of reliable users (with high rank)

That's not really accurate. They are crucial for signature campaigns, no matter the rank. Imagine if most people refused meriting legendary users despite their level of posting and a spot opened up in a signature campaign. A legendary member with 4 earned merits in the recent months goes head-to-head with a hero member who has earned 300 in the same period. Who do you think will have the bigger chance to get accepted by most campaign managers?

Besides that, it's a recognition of your work and contribution. For that, rank doesn't matter. Time and effort should be rewarded.

What immediately caught my eye in this graphical representation is how stingy mocacinno is with rewarding others with merits. Tongue

Let's see if he says anything...

Smartvirus

legendary

Activity: 1414

Merit: 1108

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on January 03, 2022, 12:53:36 PM

Quote from: fillippone on January 03, 2022, 06:35:37 AM

What really bugs me is users receiving many merits and not sending enough.

I've expressed this sentiment before: People are free to do whatever they like with their sMerits, and it isn't a requirement of forum membership that you have to participate in--or even like--the merit system. I'd say if it bugs you that someone is hoarding merits, you're probably paying too much attention to other members' sending history.

For sure I like the sentiments about this and the way you did put it. To be a no man's business on how smerits ate being handled. I for one subscribe to that idea of not paying any and I mean, any attention to anyone's merit history. It just doesn't help any one and since there is virtually nothing you could do about it as a forum user, there just isn't any point. For sure, you can't provide any base to some forum users sense of judgment that could warrant the meriting of a post as that in itself, contradicts an ethic to meriting.

Though, its really of no using hoarding what adds no value to your account or user. Forum has so designed it that, merits counts for you, how many you earn through a period as well (120 days, 150days etc) but the smerits like a power to reward or acknowledge. Its best you use it at times. For a proactive user of the forum, its hard to say ig any user won't come across something intriguing and merit deserving. Not liking the merit system is some reason but really shouldn't be as, it could in some way, promote the very thing the merit system was meant to discourage (trolling and sh*t posting).

OP, that's some cool data set and presentation method right there.

joker_josue

legendary

Activity: 1694

Merit: 4687

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on January 03, 2022, 12:53:36 PM

OP, this is a pretty cool visual representation of merit flow between selected members, and I'd like to see more (which I'm assuming is the purpose of your reserved posts). I've seen very complicated merit maps before, and while those are cool I like this more limited display of where merit ends up two members removed from a merit source. I'm assuming they're merit sources if they're on the most generous list.

Thanks! I will try to add a few more users soon.

If anyone wants me to make their tree, just ask. Wink

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

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Quote from: tranthidung on January 03, 2022, 12:09:35 PM

It is very long time and LoyceV did not update his threads

I expect LoyceV to update those threads after more than 1 year Cheesy

I updated both topics less than half a year ago. I've seen "complaints" about too frequent bumping, so if someone wants an update, they'll have to ask for it in the topic.

skarais

legendary

Activity: 2464

Merit: 2094

I honestly don't really like hoarding the sMerit I've had for longer when I find quality posts. I'm more inclined to spend it than to have to keep it for months as it's the best way to maintain the cycle of achievement. But since I've never had a lot of sMerit so I'm more selective about spending it except when I can't find any other ideas than to spend it on previous transactions.

By the way, this is a good thread. It doesn't matter if more distribution of merit is given to highly rank users if they post something quality. Merit is not for a certain rank, but merit for anyone whose post is quality regardless of what rank they have at that time.

DireWolfM14

copper member

Activity: 2184

Merit: 4241

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on January 03, 2022, 12:53:36 PM

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on January 03, 2022, 12:02:49 PM

It wouldn't be new years' weekend without a merited Meta thread about Merit.

Yeah, what's up with that? I've noticed at least two threads like that in the past couple of days.

Well, I'm trying to be more diplomatic in 2022, so I'll refrain from expressing my opinion. Grin

The Sceptical Chymist

legendary

Activity: 3388

Merit: 6887

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Quote from: fillippone on January 03, 2022, 06:35:37 AM

What really bugs me is users receiving many merits and not sending enough.

I've expressed this sentiment before: People are free to do whatever they like with their sMerits, and it isn't a requirement of forum membership that you have to participate in--or even like--the merit system. I'd say if it bugs you that someone is hoarding merits, you're probably paying too much attention to other members' sending history.

OP, this is a pretty cool visual representation of merit flow between selected members, and I'd like to see more (which I'm assuming is the purpose of your reserved posts). I've seen very complicated merit maps before, and while those are cool I like this more limited display of where merit ends up two members removed from a merit source. I'm assuming they're merit sources if they're on the most generous list.

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on January 03, 2022, 12:02:49 PM

It wouldn't be new years' weekend without a merited Meta thread about Merit.

Yeah, what's up with that? I've noticed at least two threads like that in the past couple of days.

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

It is very long time and LoyceV did not update his threads

I expect LoyceV to update those threads after more than 1 year Cheesy

DireWolfM14

copper member

Activity: 2184

Merit: 4241

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It wouldn't be new years' weekend without a merited Meta thread about Merit.

Happy New Year, all.

Oshosondy

legendary

Activity: 1414

Merit: 1118

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Good work OP

Quote from: joker_josue on January 03, 2022, 08:30:43 AM

I believe that merits must be given, regardless of the user's level. Merits are a form of reward for a user's post, like an applause for what he said/did.

Therefore, regardless of the strategy used, everyone can be entitled to receive merit.

It is true that some members are receiving merits but not sending, this can be because the user is not active like before, like Satoshi and Hal. Some people have no much time to the extent some do not have the maximum posts required for weekly post requirements, some even do not join a campaign and have no much time but are only here once in awhile for little time to post something quality that will get them merit from other users.

But one thing I like about merit and smerit given is that if a member is good and spending quality time and post on this forum, such members are easy to rank up. People think differently, some people are active but strict in giving smerits but it still happens in a way only spammers and other no quality posters are unable to rank as they are the only one left out to be merited. There could be some bias in merit and smerit receiving and giving but it still works in a way no good poster is left out.

joker_josue

legendary

Activity: 1694

Merit: 4687

**In BTC since 2013**

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