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Defiance Debuts Leveraged 1.75x MicroStrategy ETF
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Defiance ETFs has unveiled the Defiance Daily Target 1.75x Long MSTR ETF (MSTX), the first single-stock leveraged ETF tracking MicroStrategy, the technology company known for its massive bitcoin holdings.

The MSTX fund seeks to deliver 1.75 times the daily percentage change in MicroStrategy’s share price
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Apparently, they wanted a 2x exposure, but the SEC deemed it too high.

Fun thing, this is safer play to MSTR than putting 1.75 times the capital, du to a short convexity Payoff.
Saylor is truly a genius, he went without a hitch, $MSTX saw $22m in volume today, which may be a Day One record for a leveraged ETF. Even the second day jumped $34m.


I am a little bit confused by the first half of your post ginsan since even the initial link by fillippone describes the MSTR ticker as being launched by Defiance, which is a separate company from Saylor and/or MSTR.

Another article that I saw asserts that MSTX is the first leveraged single-stock ETF.. and surely these kinds of products can be confusing, to the extent that any  of us might want to get price exposure to bitcoin and/or to MSTR through that kind of a new way of looking at the matter.. and surely even if Saylor/MSTR is not behind the MSTX product, they had inspired such extra layer of trading gambling.
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Today I made a spreadsheet combining the ratio of enterprise value over the Bitcoin valuation, and the number of satoshi per share.
Interestingly, while the ratio was generally going up, even if it had some drawdown, the number of Satoshi per shares is an up only, even accounting for convertible bonds (fully diluted). Very nice property of MSTR shares.
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Not for the Faint of heart:

Defiance Debuts Leveraged 1.75x MicroStrategy ETF

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Defiance ETFs has unveiled the Defiance Daily Target 1.75x Long MSTR ETF (MSTX), the first single-stock leveraged ETF tracking MicroStrategy, the technology company known for its massive bitcoin holdings.

The MSTX fund seeks to deliver 1.75 times the daily percentage change in MicroStrategy’s share price
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Apparently, they wanted a 2x exposure, but the SEC deemed it too high.

Fun thing, this is safer play to MSTR than putting 1.75 times the capital, du to a short convexity Payoff.


Saylor is truly a genius, he went without a hitch, $MSTX saw $22m in volume today, which may be a Day One record for a leveraged ETF. Even the second day jumped $34m.






The South Korean government seems to be on a buying spree. The National Pension Service (NPS), the third-largest public pension fund in the world, purchased $34 million or 46 billion won worth of shares in MicroStrategy (MSTR).


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legendary
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Not for the Faint of heart:

Defiance Debuts Leveraged 1.75x MicroStrategy ETF

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Defiance ETFs has unveiled the Defiance Daily Target 1.75x Long MSTR ETF (MSTX), the first single-stock leveraged ETF tracking MicroStrategy, the technology company known for its massive bitcoin holdings.

The MSTX fund seeks to deliver 1.75 times the daily percentage change in MicroStrategy’s share price
<...>

Apparently, they wanted a 2x exposure, but the SEC deemed it too high.

Fun thing, this is safer play to MSTR than putting 1.75 times the capital, du to a short convexity Payoff.

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Although it is good news, there does not seem to be a change in the anti-Bitcoin policies of Norway.

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This is simply part of a physical index replication strategy which basically all very large institutional investors have and do. This has nothing to do with what many ppl in the comments see as an implied message that Norges or SNB is now bullish bitcoin or MSTR

https://x.com/patrick_saner/status/1823729882016440744

I was about to comment exactly like that.
Norway is one of the few nation-states to have a Public Fund to invest the pension funds of their citizen. They invest all over the world, trying to replicate the indexes. Hence, it is easy for them to buy every single stock in the world, basically (some are excluded for ethical reasons).
This is why they are long MSTR because they are long the SPX, so they have to buy each share in it.
No endorsement of Bitcoin in that.
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Despite Norway's opposition to Bitcoin, they have invested in Bitcoin by buying (Bitcoin proxy) MicroStrategy shares. Norwegian Central Bank and Swiss Central Bank have acquired over 1.5M shares of MicroStrategy.

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🇳🇴 Norwegian Central Bank bought 1,123,930 shares of MicroStrategy

🇨🇭 Swiss Central Bank bought 466,000 shares of MicroStrategy



https://x.com/QuintenFrancois/status/1823687138111582672

Although it is good news, there does not seem to be a change in the anti-Bitcoin policies of Norway.

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This is simply part of a physical index replication strategy which basically all very large institutional investors have and do. This has nothing to do with what many ppl in the comments see as an implied message that Norges or SNB is now bullish bitcoin or MSTR

https://x.com/patrick_saner/status/1823729882016440744
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I have a certain level of doubt that whatever insurance that the various custodians supposedly have in place is anywhere close to adequate in terms of really covering the BTC that they hold, yet surely we likely appreciate that the insuring of bitcoin and the custodying of bitcoin and other kinds of digital assets (maybe including shitcoins) remains an evolving kind of a service that could end up playing out quite painfully if there really ended up being large scale disappearances of bitcoin holdings (or other ways that custodians might end up losing access to the coins that they are supposed to be holding). 

I don't know exactly how it is, but in the fund industry, both indexed and mutual, and this includes pension funds, they have a separate custody part and I don't remember there being any major problems with it. We are talking about quite a few trillions.

In the TradFi world, asset managers usually have a custodian agent, which is a third party in the agreement between the investor and the asset manager. Custody is a legacy, ol style. boring business, where scale economy does count. It's then so common for the market to have only a few custodians.

I think in the Bitcoin world we are going in the same direction, with custodian subjects separated from holders or asset managers.
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I have a certain level of doubt that whatever insurance that the various custodians supposedly have in place is anywhere close to adequate in terms of really covering the BTC that they hold, yet surely we likely appreciate that the insuring of bitcoin and the custodying of bitcoin and other kinds of digital assets (maybe including shitcoins) remains an evolving kind of a service that could end up playing out quite painfully if there really ended up being large scale disappearances of bitcoin holdings (or other ways that custodians might end up losing access to the coins that they are supposed to be holding). 
I don't know exactly how it is, but in the fund industry, both indexed and mutual, and this includes pension funds, they have a separate custody part and I don't remember there being any major problems with it. We are talking about quite a few trillions.

You might be correct in terms of an implication that there could be responsible ways of custodying bitcoin (and perhaps shitcoins too, to the extent that any of the "crypto assets" matter outside of bitcoin).    It seems that there are quite a few tools that are still being developed, and surely it could be the case that some custodians create their own tools and checks/balances to lessen the likelihood of losses (I would think that the risks could not be completely eliminated, and I think that there should be reasons to be worried.. and surely I am not claiming to be any kind of expert beyond being a bit scared on behalf of others - not that some of the losses through various 3rd party custodians would necessarily be reflected of the safeguards that might be taken with some of the current custodians... and yeah, I hear about all kinds of potential solutions that include multi-sig and multi-jurisdictional protections, yet I can hardly imagine if there might not be some potentially BIG incidents that might end up happening - and yeah sometimes there might be cover-up involved too, so we might not hear about "incidents" as they are happening.
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I have a certain level of doubt that whatever insurance that the various custodians supposedly have in place is anywhere close to adequate in terms of really covering the BTC that they hold, yet surely we likely appreciate that the insuring of bitcoin and the custodying of bitcoin and other kinds of digital assets (maybe including shitcoins) remains an evolving kind of a service that could end up playing out quite painfully if there really ended up being large scale disappearances of bitcoin holdings (or other ways that custodians might end up losing access to the coins that they are supposed to be holding). 

I don't know exactly how it is, but in the fund industry, both indexed and mutual, and this includes pension funds, they have a separate custody part and I don't remember there being any major problems with it. We are talking about quite a few trillions.
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From our point of view as individual holders it is probably hard for us to see it, but for companies it makes more sense to have the Bitcoins in the custody of a company with a specialized custody service that they can sue if they lose them or something. Those services, apart from a lot of security measures, will have an insurance for those issues.

I have a certain level of doubt that whatever insurance that the various custodians supposedly have in place is anywhere close to adequate in terms of really covering the BTC that they hold, yet surely we likely appreciate that the insuring of bitcoin and the custodying of bitcoin and other kinds of digital assets (maybe including shitcoins) remains an evolving kind of a service that could end up playing out quite painfully if there really ended up being large scale disappearances of bitcoin holdings (or other ways that custodians might end up losing access to the coins that they are supposed to be holding). 
legendary
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I'm surprised MSTR stock got split 10:1, just seeing as how so many other stocks don't seem to be splitting these days.  I know it's absolutely neutral as far as any statistics are concerned, but 20 years ago you wouldn't usually see a bunch of NASDAQ listings getting anywhere near $1k, which is what I'm observing not only with tech stocks but many others as well.

Well, as you may know, they do it because there are many more people who can afford to buy a couple of $130 shares than $1,300, apart from the psychological effect that makes them look "cheaper" even though they are not.

I would be nervous if I were Saylor/MSTR if I were to have more than 50% of my holdings with ONLY 1 custodian, such as Coinbase, and so I continue to wonder how solid are whatever custodian arrangements that Saylor/MSTR has...

If I remember correctly MicroStrategy uses Coinbase for order execution,yet custody I guess they do self custody.
No wallet has been tied to MicroStrategy, this leads me also to the self custody solution: they have more sofisticate way of assessing their balances rather than resorting to a single address to be monitored onchain.

If it's true they keep their private keys off of Coinbase or wherever they trade, I'm curious as to how they keep them secure--not that I expect that to be revealed, of course; I'm just curious.  They've got a lot of bitcoin to keep an eye on.

Arkham Intelligence identifies MicroStrategy Bitcoin holdings pooled with Fidelity

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Roughly 107,000 BTC of MicoStrategy’s holdings appeared pooled with Fidelity Custody, while 79,000 BTC was “held in segregated custody including Coinbase Prime.”

From our point of view as individual holders it is probably hard for us to see it, but for companies it makes more sense to have the Bitcoins in the custody of a company with a specialized custody service that they can sue if they lose them or something. Those services, apart from a lot of security measures, will have an insurance for those issues.
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I'm surprised MSTR stock got split 10:1, just seeing as how so many other stocks don't seem to be splitting these days.  I know it's absolutely neutral as far as any statistics are concerned, but 20 years ago you wouldn't usually see a bunch of NASDAQ listings getting anywhere near $1k, which is what I'm observing not only with tech stocks but many others as well.

Didn't see any mention of the split in this thread, so I thought I'd bring it up. 

If I remember correctly MicroStrategy uses Coinbase for order execution,yet custody I guess they do self custody.

If it's true they keep their private keys off of Coinbase or wherever they trade, I'm curious as to how they keep them secure--not that I expect that to be revealed, of course; I'm just curious.  They've got a lot of bitcoin to keep an eye on.
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If I remember correctly MicroStrategy uses Coinbase for order execution,yet custody I guess they do self custody.
No wallet has been tied to MicroStrategy, this leads me also to the self custody solution: they have more sofisticate way of assessing their balances rather than resorting to a single address to be monitored onchain.
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It could be said that this opportunity was available to everyone, but for some reason only MicroStrategy were able to take advantage of it.
I think part of Saylor's big scheme is to convince other companies to follow in his footsteps.
Some have already started, in small steps, following the same playbook as the “Bitcoin Magazine owned" firm Metaplanet in Japan, while others have made vague announcements.
As we often say: “Slowly at Start, then suddenly”

Ultimately, Saylor's/MSTR's approach has been quite genius in terms of making sure to be out there and really selling their strategy right from the start. So in that regard, everyone and anyone had chances to follow some similar version of the Saylor/MSTR playbook - even though surely hardly no public company would have had the ability to carry out the strategy in such a seemingly psycho way as Saylor/MSTR, partially based on the way that public companies tend to be set up with a bit more scattered control...

There have also been several areas in which some folks had considered that Saylor/MSTR had gotten overly leveraged in bitcoin, yet they had never gotten into places in which they did not have enough cashflow to service various debts that they had, so the kinds of leverage that they had tended to be fairly easy to service - with no real harsh terms.. but maybe there was a bit of luck too in terms of chosen custodians of bitcoin and chosen debt servicing relationships, since so many custodians and banks had issues in the 2022 collapses - and we did see some relatively BIG entities suffer extreme losses based on their chosen custodians and bank relations... 

I would be nervous if I were Saylor/MSTR if I were to have more than 50% of my holdings with ONLY 1 custodian, such as Coinbase, and so I continue to wonder how solid are whatever custodian arrangements that Saylor/MSTR has.. Oh yeah and by the way, Saylor has more liberty in regards to how to hold his personal stash, which seems to be at least more than 17k bitcoin that he announced publicly, and would imagine that he personally has more than 25k bitcoin since he had sold so many personal shares of MSTR last year-ish, and he's gotta put that value somewhere.
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It could be said that this opportunity was available to everyone, but for some reason only MicroStrategy were able to take advantage of it.

I think part of Saylor's big scheme is to convince other companies to follow in his footsteps.
Some have already started, in small steps, following the same playbook as the “Bitcoin Magazine owned" firm Metaplanet in Japan, while others have made vague announcements.
As we often say: “Slowly at Start, then suddenly”
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I doubt this would have been possible without Saylor's fanatical belief in Bitcoin. It could be said that this opportunity was available to everyone, but for some reason only MicroStrategy were able to take advantage of it. Now imagine that in the near future bitcoin on the bullrun will reach 100k, but this will be the limit of possibilities for bitcoin and for Sailor, because he says that he is not going to sell bitcoin, but will continue to hold it.
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This is probably the most important metric to judge the success of MicroStrategy's Bitcoin acquisition strategy.

So, we were all wrong in considering  MSTR as a BTC ETF.
An ETF has a constant (actually, slightly diminishing) amount of Satoshi under control, while a single MSTR has an augmenting number of controlled sats.
Of course this metric is very interesting and definitely the number to look at.
Still, the over structure of the simple holding is too cumbersome, in my humble opinion.
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$MSTR's BTC per share continues to climb, reaching a new high this quarter.

This is probably the most important metric to judge the success of MicroStrategy's Bitcoin acquisition strategy.



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In current developments MicroStrategy has had great success in their journey with bitcoin. The steps taken by Saylor have attracted great attention from Bitcoin investors because the steps taken by Saylor are buying and holding, currently their BTC holdings have reached 226,500 BTC.

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MSTR Second quarter financial results
https://www.microstrategy.com/investor-relations

Microstrategy introducing a BTC Yield KPI. So a net increase in bitcoin per share after any share dilution. Target is 4-8% per year for 2025, 2026, 2027. YTD shareholders already seen a 12.2% increase in their bitcoin/share.




This BTC Yield is the most interesting passage of the press conference.
I have read a Linkedin post about it:

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MicroStrategy (NASDAQ: MSTR) just had their Q2 earnings call. It is pioneering a new Bitcoin Yield KPI, which is aligned with their rebranding in Q4 2023 as the world's first Bitcoin Development Company.

In their words: "We define BTC Yield as the period-to-period percentage change in the ratio of our total bitcoin holdings to our assumed diluted shares outstanding."

And: "We believe this KPI can be used to supplement an investor’s understanding of our decision to fund the purchase of bitcoin by issuing additional shares of our common stock or instruments convertible to common stock."

This is really spelling it out for folks who still don't understand why the stock trades at 2x its underlying bitcoin holdings. (See Kerrisdale here: https://lnkd.in/eFStB7BP)

What's the reason for the premium? The shares are accretive! One look at this slide below tells the story of why MSTR isn't a Bitcoin ETF and shouldn't be priced at NAV. While each share of a Bitcoin ETF represents the same amount of bitcoin forever, each share of MSTR has increased its bitcoin holdings over time.

It's the same reason why a stock's price to book ratio might be above 1. As an investor, you expect the book value to grow over time, so of course you don't price the equity itself at book value. To make it even simpler, if you had a dollar bill that could magically generate a nickel each month, would you sell this dollar bill for a dollar or perhaps a little above the book value of that dollar?

The reason this isn't intuitive for MSTR is because we aren't used to thinking in bitcoin terms. People still think in dollar terms, and this is causing them to miss the plot entirely. One advantage of thinking in bitcoin terms is that you massively outperform on dollar terms. It imposes a brutally high bar on your investable universe. When your hurdle rate is bitcoin, you won't be wasting money.

If someone will give you dollars at a low cost of capital, you take it to buy bitcoin. This is the whole strategy of hashtag#MSTR. It arbitrages the difference in the perceived costs of capital between the waning fiat standard and the coming Bitcoin standard.

I think we'll see this KPI on more companies as they get on the Bitcoin standard. Having a positive BTC Yield will likely be an expectation. People will think: "I want to buy businesses which can grow their BTC holdings so that the total BTC I own is growing without me doing anything."

Replace "BTC" with "dollars" or "cash" and it still makes sense.

hashtag#bitcoin hashtag#btc hashtag#microstrategy hashtag#earnings hashtag#finance
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MSTR Second quarter financial results
https://www.microstrategy.com/investor-relations

Microstrategy introducing a BTC Yield KPI. So a net increase in bitcoin per share after any share dilution. Target is 4-8% per year for 2025, 2026, 2027. YTD shareholders already seen a 12.2% increase in their bitcoin/share.




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