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August 16, 2018, 02:11:29 PM
This is the first time i came across the word rendering. So what is Rendering actually?
If I understand correctly in simple words rendering is the process of creating photorealistic images from 2D or 3D models. Today rendering is used in animation, film production, construction and architecture, surgery and dentistry, etc. But is it really so far, if it is so in demand, that there are no worthy companies rendering rendering? What is the advantage of Leonardo?

There are other companies doing renderings(they are known as render farms) these render farms have access to a limited number of GPUs, are expensive, and you must send your work off to them and then once it has finished you will receive your project back.

One of the many benefits of Leonardo is we are developing a real time view...this is INCREDIBLY helpful for everybody but most helpful for students/teachers who might be learning 3D design.

Let me give you an example: You are new to the 3D world and you have been preparing a huge scene for the last two weeks. Now you want this scene to be rendered, your computer comes back and says that will take 2 years to do on your computer, not only is that ridiculous BUT you are learning what if you made a lighting mistake, or you decide you don't like the color on one of your buildings. We are developing a live view giving you the ability to watch your render be completed in real time, giving you the student and opportunity to correct your mistake before a)waiting 10 years on your computer or b) spending money on a render farm just to find out that you need to have it rendered again once you have fixed the error.

Another advantage of Leonardo is how easy the software is, the affordability, and how scalable it is. We give you the option to decide if you want to use 5 GPUs or 10,000 GPUs. We are putting the power in your hands depending on your budget, time constraints, and needs. All without compromising the integrity of your work.

Hope this helps you realize some of the advantages of Leonardo Render.
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August 16, 2018, 02:03:57 PM
Interesting project to say the least. Looks like Golem has a competitor. From what I have studied and tested GeePeeU PCI bandwidth isn't an issue for rendering as compared to AI training. I got the following results.

Vray Benchmark:
https://benchmark.chaosgroup.com/gpu/details?hw=Intel%28R%29+Core%28TM%29+i5-2300+CPU+%40+2.80GHz+x4%2C+GeForce+GTX+1070+8192MB+x4&id=16244

System Specs: i5 2300
Ram: 10 GB
GPUs: 4 x 1070s

The difference is of +/- 2 seconds. Keep in mind I used a PCI-express 4x Splitter and these results are from a single PCI-lane.

Here is another result from octane bench:


I saw a 10% performance loss while using the "splitter". Still isn't that much IMO.



What I am more interested in is why they are worried about the latency issues and how golem will tackle it. From what I have researched there are plugins already available for connecting up multiple machines for rendering in a LAN environment. Are you guys using one of these? That's the only logical explanation for me to not accept people with less than 100 GPUs. Cause their "software" isn't made to do rendering on the global scale i.e is to split up the task and send it around the globe to an average user/miner.

Also, what will happen with GPUs who will stand idle for most cases? Are you going to support mining as a backup for them? I can't imagine these GPUs are being used 24/7 unless you have managed to land every single Animation studio on the planet to use your service, which I highly doubt at this stage.

Hi,

To answer Your question, we have to go a bit backwards to the main purpose of Leonardo and the way our system faces the rendering task.

Simple Case:

1 computer with 1 GPU

This Computer can run a rendering on 1 GPU. Fine.

2 Computers 1GPU Each

Each computer can run a portion of the rendering, installing 2 times the 3D software (one on each computer), then each computer runs a piece of the task that the user has to assemble together somehow. ( not ideal at all for designers )

What if You want both GPUs ( in 2 separated computers ) work on the same frame? How do You  combine them together?
If You know a solution that can solve this problem i'll be more than happy to try it. But for what we know, there's none, unfortunately.

Leonardo can do it.
Our solution can allocate nearly infinite number of GPUs and work on a single frame. This is GPU virtualization.
In order to work, all the GPUs must be wired inside the same network. For this reason, our ideal provider has 50+ GPUs, so each render client can connect to the infrastructure and run rendering without queue and shortage of GPUs.

Latency is not an issue in Leonardo. Not our problem.
We ran hi-speed tests from China using US infrastructures. Not a single second of delay.

Try to believe.

Regarding your point about existing plugins. I am sure there are some plugs around that can split each frame on a single GPU node ( doesn't mean that you can combine gpus on a single frame ) also Blender Network Render can do it, and it's a free Addon. Not crazy magic.

My question is: if someone says that our solution is not so innovative, why there's no market leader for Cloud Rendering? I don't know any render farm that can count 250,000 GPUs aroud the world, a proprietary GPU virtualization software and a platform that eliminates queue.
All of this for a price that is 30-40% cheaper than any competitor.

Including a open Beta Test delivered before the ICO.

I hope you will give our software a try and let us know.

Thanks,

Marco




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August 16, 2018, 01:55:17 PM
Can I buy altcoin at a % of the whole coin..Like 1 dlr. of it.....Then use that asset to buy HEMPCOIN or other smaller coins.? Joe
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August 16, 2018, 01:53:38 PM
Hello everyone, We are happy to announce that our Beta Version of the Leonardo Render software is on the way. Many improvements and stability tests have been made. The Beta version will be accessible via free download and the rendering service will be available for free for the duration of the Beta-Stage. Stay Tuned for more info.

Best,
LT

It's a good news. The team moved noticeably and the interest of the public began to grow in parallel with doubts. I hope soon we will be able to evaluate everything in practice. On access to the beta version, there will be no restrictions?
I think there will be restrictions as it's the beta version and there gonna be many bugs that are yet to be discovered. Upon checking their roadmap i found that they have delivered the Beta version One Month in advance than was mentioned. I don't think they will allow mining currently or else peoples will jump for the free service haha.

You are correct. We have launched our Beta early and there are bugs to be found still. Since we have begun the Beta we are thrilled we have in fact found a number of bugs and have been able to solve all of them very quickly and easily.

Our beta is currently open ONLY to 3D artists...which honestly is a great opportunity for them(artists) to take advantage even if only for two hours the ability to render for free on many GPUs.

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August 16, 2018, 01:48:31 PM
I got acquainted with the percent distribution of tokens. But I would like to see a well-written, detailed budget for roadmap implementation.
Does it Leonardo has?

We have this but are not currently making this public knowledge due to it containing proprietary information we do not want leaked at the moment. Our roadmap is ever expanding far beyond the few years that are currently public.
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August 16, 2018, 01:35:19 PM
How does the overall tokenization of the platform works? Can you explain all the steps to me?               
The issues of tokenization can also be considered in White Paper. I'm interested in something else. You have installed a $ 18 million hardcap. Why did Leonardo need so much money?

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August 16, 2018, 01:33:21 PM
This is the first time i came across the word rendering. So what is Rendering actually?
If I understand correctly in simple words rendering is the process of creating photorealistic images from 2D or 3D models. Today rendering is used in animation, film production, construction and architecture, surgery and dentistry, etc. But is it really so far, if it is so in demand, that there are no worthy companies rendering rendering? What is the advantage of Leonardo?

I have seen many other projects are tying up with Giga Watt as a very responsible and transparent company. Founded in 2017, Giga Watt has been servicing its mining customers from its location in Washington State. Also Giga Watt’s infrastructure is extremely scalable and flexible, allowing for a continuous evolution in its compute ability.                                                         
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August 16, 2018, 01:28:39 PM
Would be great if someone can provide the link to the rendering software.

Hello,

You may download Blender from blender.org to create a 3D scene, you may also download premade scenes https://www.blender.org/download/demo-files/. If you are familiar with the workings of Blender you may then head to our website and download the Qbik software and email us to organize the creation of your account along with a 2 hour time frame in which you can test the Beta.
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August 16, 2018, 12:14:30 PM
Professional rendering is done on cpu`s, not gpu`s.
Why are you saying that? Even the specialized rendering hardware are modified gpus.
For me, too, this issue remains open. Still rendering is a serious and time-consuming work. I want to be sure that no one has broken it or spoiled it (((.            
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August 16, 2018, 08:02:59 AM
It is really a nice and useful thread and I have reserved my message.
Yes, nice and useful ...... if you can realize the real global decentralization of the network infrastructure of Leonardo Render. But this will take at least 2-3 years. Ready to wait?
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August 16, 2018, 04:00:17 AM
Will this be a fresh breeze for miners? maybe this will also be the reason why GPUs will still be needed than ASIC. But wait, can ASIC be used for rendering? Somehow I hope not.
Waiting to bring back to life my D3... Cheesy
It has always been interesting why the major well-known companies are going to cooperate with still dubious projects ?! After all, in fact, GigaWatt takes on the main burden, in this situation. Their equipment and capacity is used.      

Thank you for the question.

Your question already contains part of the answer - "still a dubious project." GigaWatt does not lose anything and does not bear additional costs (since the necessary equipment already was). The company provides its services and name in an interesting idea which, if successful, will bring benefits to each party.
            
Best,
LT.
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August 16, 2018, 03:42:09 AM
Will this be a fresh breeze for miners? maybe this will also be the reason why GPUs will still be needed than ASIC. But wait, can ASIC be used for rendering? Somehow I hope not.
Waiting to bring back to life my D3... Cheesy
It has always been interesting why the major well-known companies are going to cooperate with still dubious projects ?! After all, in fact, GigaWatt takes on the main burden, in this situation. Their equipment and capacity is used.      
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August 15, 2018, 07:53:00 PM
Quite acceptable conditions, that's only at the speed of the Internet at 10 Mb / s is not very fast. I think this is not enough for rendering.
Leonardo is not all about mining. They have a tie up with Gigawatt so basically anyone can choose mining directly without being a part of LEOS.
The main theme for them is rendering, they aims to be the fastest, simplest, and most affordable cloudbased rendering solution on the planet.
I also came to know that the mining process won't affect the rendering as they already have a script which will  close the mining software when the rendering jobs comes in.
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August 15, 2018, 06:20:59 PM
I think that it very good project with brilliant future. There is a huge stagnation on the crypto market and crisis with PoW mining. That’s why this project will have a lot of potential hashpower and as I know, there are practically no such competing similar projects.
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August 15, 2018, 04:06:08 PM
This is the first time i came across the word rendering. So what is Rendering actually?
If I understand correctly in simple words rendering is the process of creating photorealistic images from 2D or 3D models. Today rendering is used in animation, film production, construction and architecture, surgery and dentistry, etc. But is it really so far, if it is so in demand, that there are no worthy companies rendering rendering? What is the advantage of Leonardo?

You got it right. If you have used or checked rendering task are done you will find it very fascinating. It's like applying a coat to the bare particular. The advanatage of using Leonardo it takes seconds to render a single image, and mere minutes to render one second of animation. Not only does Leonardo provide the fastest cloud-based rendering process on the planet, but it also provides the most flexibility - users will be able to select the amount of GPU’s employed in the completion of their render. The more GPU’s selected, the faster the render will complete.
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August 15, 2018, 12:54:47 PM
Link to rendering software please

hi, can you send me leonardo render? I own 900 gpu, my friend in the same location also has about 1000 gpu. We are from Poland, we have fiber optic internet. You can answer pm.


Thanks for the interest to our software

The software is currently not available for public test. We will make an announcement as soon as it will be released for the public. If you are a medium/large Nvidia GPU miner (100+ GPUs) and want to join Leonardo network, please send your geographic and equipment details to the email [email protected], our team will be in touch.

Best,
L
Thanks for the coordinates. I'd like to personally test the software and feel all its advantages. I will follow the updates.
Did you test out the sofrware yet? I am currently having some issues with my computer so i won't be but i really wanted to check it out just to check out how promising they are. They have mentioned in their Whitepaper that LEOS is much faster than the other competators in the market , so basically i am hoping that the beta version should show some positivivity about it.
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August 15, 2018, 10:24:46 AM
the 150 GPU is something that I want to jump in and start rendering.

You are absolutely right. If your available power is not less than 100 GPU, then you can join Leonardo.
      
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August 15, 2018, 09:44:58 AM
4,000+ gpus.

mixture of 470-570-1070-1080-580

please contact me.
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August 15, 2018, 07:17:26 AM
can explain more about rendering option? and how confgurer my craphic card with this aption?
thans befor
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August 15, 2018, 06:08:40 AM
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Our solution is to split and distribute only in local network single rendering task among hundreds of GPU.

That's your problem there are 3rd party plugins available which do the exact same thing? what is the "Innovation" here? A true innovation would have been if you could have distributed the divided tasks across the internet. But that isn't the case. What are your plans for small miners? What if a miner who has 10K GPUs buys this plugin and get clients on his own? He wouldn't have to go through the trouble of exchanging tokens or staking any. This is one of the reasons you should start working on "Global" Version instead of just sticking with a "Local" Version.

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Our software allows to run other tasks, while miner is not rendering. Mining is great example of such a task, it can be closed and restarted at any time. So miners can't earn less with Leonardo, they can only increase their income due to higher rendering profitability vs mining.

Alright.

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We are not sure where this $11K comes from but thisd is the answer:

Seriously? It says on your infographic. Here let me point that out.



Pixar may be moving, but there are still many tasks which can only be performed by a CPU, Rendering is not mining. GPUs currently can't meet the "precision" which CPUs are able to achieve. Hence why we haven't seen a total shift towards GPUs for rendering. As I said in my previous post. Only a handful of effects can be rendered via GPUs. CPUs are still here and they will be here for a decade more.
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