Minor Protection From Gambling - page 7.

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Quote from: Viscore on June 12, 2022, 03:59:59 PM

I can attest that its also effective since we are using it too in our company every time there is a need for fast verification. However, even if that technology is very advanced and can eventually pinpoint if you are faking your identity or not, that does not guarantee that it can never be scammed by brilliant minds of minors. Technology should also know that. So for me, its really hard to control the minors these days not to gamble, unless if the parents will take the first step to protect their teens not to gamble.

At the home, the emphasis should not be on restrictions but on education about gambling, we have a saying that the more you restrict the more they will go for it because of curiosity, so parents should expose their children to gambling as a way to educate them but not to tempt them to gamble, children will listen if those telling them are their parents and about the truth of the subject.

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Quote from: Doell on June 10, 2022, 11:45:10 AM

Biometric identification technology is indeed very effective, the system detects it in just seconds, I haven't heard of anyone who can fool the system. Too many gambling sites and minors will definitely find other solutions so they can gamble, the most to be considered is their connection and the role of parents who should monitor whither they access website, restrictions that must be increased.

I can attest that its also effective since we are using it too in our company every time there is a need for fast verification. However, even if that technology is very advanced and can eventually pinpoint if you are faking your identity or not, that does not guarantee that it can never be scammed by brilliant minds of minors. Technology should also know that. So for me, its really hard to control the minors these days not to gamble, unless if the parents will take the first step to protect their teens not to gamble.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on June 10, 2022, 06:16:16 PM

If a gambling platform requires KYC, comminky they will ask for picture of hinslef/herself holding ID. But that is KYC and ut is still pro and con about KYC requirement.
However, even if a gambling platform require KYC and ask for that kind of photo, we may ask about how perfect they can evaluate the data? How if they are fake one.
But once more, KYC doesn't guarantee that we can get legit gambling platform with high security. At least, we have tried to do that. How secure our ID data and How secure the gambling platform is.

Well the use of KYC could help reduce the access of under aged gamblers from jumping into gambling unnecessarily. The KYC use is only limited to some gambling platforms that take it seriously to screen the identity of their users.

We know that many of the good and reliable gambling platforms does not ask for KYC which is the reason why they have lots of users who can freely use their site without any restrictions or exposing their identity to the internet. There could be little or no effect to the use of KYC to restrict under aged gamblers from gambling.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

This had been the main issue in online gambling. Minors had been flocking to the online Casino site without any restrictions. They can blatantly access gambling sites with their parents' cards, fake their identities and so on. Germany does tackle this issue seriously and recently German Commission for the Protection of Minor in the Media (KJM). had a deal with Incode Technologies, a US-based specialist in biometric identity for the age verification solution.[1]

The German government is very inclined that it will help greatly in protecting minors because of its advanced technology.

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Incode Technologies, a US-based specialist in biometric identity, has its age verification solution approved by the German Commission for the Protection of Minor in the Media (KJM).

‘Legal Certainty’ to Providers
The age verification solution provided by Incode Technologies verifies users against data from their ID cards, comparing their image on the card with a real-time selfie.

The technology facilitates the age verification process by providing guidelines to ensure the optimum scan of the ID card and photo of the user and once complete, the service performs tests to confirm authenticity and issues a score.

But I still wonder if this kind of technology is effective enough for those minors who use their parent's access accounts to gambling sites. Will this be able to detect such action? Will this kind of technology can trully protect minors and prevent them to access gambling sites?

[1] https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/incodes-age-verification-approved-for-protecting-minors-in-germany/

If the minors steal IDs from their parents, doesn't that mean that their parents aren't actually monitoring them as they should? Shouldn't the parents be blamed for this and not the casino. It is the responsibility of the parents to know what their kids are doing.

Anyway, most casino will require them to hold their ID and take a selfie. They won't be able to do that. Initial verification might not require that, but they eventually will have to.

Blaming the casino is not much a smart action to made since many people know the risk upon going there and if there parents notice that there children is already engaging on it then they get addicted then the blame should goes to them. Casino is there doing there own business so parents make sure that they are in control with their child because the first education about this start at home.

And since Selfie verification is now needed for sure this will lessen up the minors engaging on gambling sites so this is good action made by casino and the legal implementing bodies which require it to have on platform which deal money to their costumers.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on June 11, 2022, 12:11:40 AM

I think when applying Biometric identification technology in gambling places, it will make your privacy known to many people and can make the company that develops this technology get all personal identities and maybe sell it on the black market, because so far as I know it was created. Digital currencies such as cryptocurrencies have the aim of keeping the wallet owner from being known to many people (anonymous) and when it is adopted to a gambling place it is very suitable because everyone can gamble without worrying about privacy.

Quite right. Any existing data can be (and will be) stolen. But it's one thing when a private key was stolen from us (which, by the way, we store ourselves without any centralized databases) and another thing when someone stole our biometric identity. We can create a new key and forget about the old one, but in the case of biometric data, this will not work.

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Quote from: Solosanz on June 11, 2022, 10:01:55 AM

Quote from: virasisog on June 11, 2022, 09:34:30 AM

Learning starts from home so we, as parents, should educate our kids about the risks of gambling as early as possible. If we enlighten them about the possible effects of gambling, they would learn how to get rid of it. We should let them know how gambling works and as much as possible, tell them to avoid it so that in the future, they won't be the government's problem.

It can be double edge sword because not all kids can understand what does his parents talking about especially if he's a close minded person. He wouldn't care anything what does the parents say, he will try to gamble and if he like it, he will continue until he lose all his money. This will lead him become an addict, so it's completely hard to choose which good strategy for parenting.

Yes, children don't always listen to their parents' advice because you can't have someone else's experience. We almost always want to explore on our own things that parents tell us about. Think back to your childhood and adolescence. I'm sure you explored a lot on your own, despite your parents' prohibitions. But it is necessary to talk to children, because only a parent can really teach a child responsibility to himself and his loved ones.

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Quote from: LodisMcguire on June 11, 2022, 01:16:00 AM

The government already doing something about this minors problem and gambling site too have implemented the method to prevent this.
So,it depends on the individual now,the parents or adult around them should educate these minors to not involve themselves to any kind of gambling activities online or offline.

Without the cooperation of parents or guardians, the problems of gambling among minors won't end. It's not that these guardians should keep those minors away from gambling but just give them a serious talk about gambling in general. Parents can do it while having lunch or dinner while watching TV with them etc.

The government is just there to help and assist everyone regarding that problem but the solution should come from the home.

That's where the proper discussion should be.

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Quote from: virasisog on June 11, 2022, 09:34:30 AM

Learning starts from home so we, as parents, should educate our kids about the risks of gambling as early as possible. If we enlighten them about the possible effects of gambling, they would learn how to get rid of it. We should let them know how gambling works and as much as possible, tell them to avoid it so that in the future, they won't be the government's problem.

It can be double edge sword because not all kids can understand what does his parents talking about especially if he's a close minded person. He wouldn't care anything what does the parents say, he will try to gamble and if he like it, he will continue until he lose all his money. This will lead him become an addict, so it's completely hard to choose which good strategy for parenting.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

I still wonder if this kind of technology is effective enough for those minors who use their parent's access accounts to gambling sites. Will this be able to detect such action? Will this kind of technology can trully protect minors and prevent them to access gambling sites?

If the account is already registered by their parents and it was already login in then their kids can still play on the gambling site. This is why parents must log out all of their gambling accounts and also the website must impose some kind of a selfie verification before you can finally log on to your account, this way, the minors can do nothing.

It is important for the minors to protect them from getting exposed in gambling because as a minor, they still have a lot of responsibilities to do like studies. Not only gambling actually but there are also other things that are addictive and may not be good enough for our children, one of it is video games.

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Quote from: AakZaki on June 11, 2022, 07:27:59 AM

Quote from: Doell on June 10, 2022, 11:45:10 AM

Biometric identification technology is indeed very effective, the system detects it in just seconds, I haven't heard of anyone who can fool the system. Too many gambling sites and minors will definitely find other solutions so they can gamble, the most to be considered is their connection and the role of parents who should monitor whither they access website, restrictions that must be increased.

By far it is best but all have weaknesses. The best protection is education from an early age. How does a child know what is ok and what is not. I think if parents notice this all will go well. Relying on the system of service providers and the government will not be effective enough to displace underage users. They have to work together to create mutually beneficial circumstances.

Learning starts from home so we, as parents, should educate our kids about the risks of gambling as early as possible. If we enlighten them about the possible effects of gambling, they would learn how to get rid of it. We should let them know how gambling works and as much as possible, tell them to avoid it so that in the future, they won't be the government's problem.

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Quote from: Distinctin on June 11, 2022, 07:35:29 AM

It would even be easier for them to access on crypto casinos, they don't need to fake their cards because some gambling sites has no KYC requirement. That's the trend these days already, we cannot give that burden to the government, parents should be more responsible in monitoring their minor children to ensure they are not gambling.

That's correct as these minors can get away from KYC by using crypto-casinos. However, these minors will have trouble funding their crypto-gambling site's account as they need the service of centralized exchanges in most cases.

Actually, prohibiting minors to gamble will just result in building confusion and curiosity among them.

There are no 100% preventive measures for minors not to be exposed to gambling. Gambling is everywhere! Instead of prohibiting them to do gambling, build instead an awareness of all the risks they will encounter once they enter the world of gambling.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

This had been the main issue in online gambling. Minors had been flocking to the online Casino site without any restrictions. They can blatantly access gambling sites with their parents' cards, fake their identities and so on. Germany does tackle this issue seriously and recently German Commission for the Protection of Minor in the Media (KJM). had a deal with Incode Technologies, a US-based specialist in biometric identity for the age verification solution.[1]

The site itself will govern a strict registration platform that requires KYC if they wanted to strongly imposed NO Minors allowed. In this case, this will give no way for them to get involved in gambling.

But because many gambling sites don't require this (and to protect privacy), there is no way to stop them. Casinos can be possible but if we talk about online gambling that is very easy to manipulate and even use other identities. This is hard to regulate as people and these minors will certainly find a way no matter how hard it was.

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It would even be easier for them to access on crypto casinos, they don't need to fake their cards because some gambling sites has no KYC requirement. That's the trend these days already, we cannot give that burden to the government, parents should be more responsible in monitoring their minor children to ensure they are not gambling.

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Quote from: Doell on June 10, 2022, 11:45:10 AM

Biometric identification technology is indeed very effective, the system detects it in just seconds, I haven't heard of anyone who can fool the system. Too many gambling sites and minors will definitely find other solutions so they can gamble, the most to be considered is their connection and the role of parents who should monitor whither they access website, restrictions that must be increased.

By far it is best but all have weaknesses. The best protection is education from an early age. How does a child know what is ok and what is not. I think if parents notice this all will go well. Relying on the system of service providers and the government will not be effective enough to displace underage users. They have to work together so as to create mutually beneficial circumstances.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on June 11, 2022, 01:35:36 AM

This is one of the cases that they are trying to solve since the boom of online gambling. It doesn't work.
First, an online gambler doesn't want all his information leaked. That means if they implement the KYC rule of ID verification with the owner holding it, I'd rather not do it if I am in that position and look for another gambling site that offers no KYC like that. They lose customers.
If a kid has a parent who uses their identity to gamble, then that's the parents' problem, in my opinion as a parent. You cannot trace every user in the gambling industry just to check the legitimacy of their age.

Some of the player does not want to give their identity well it is part of credentials and important information of a person that it can be used in the wrong way too that's the reason why they want to keep themselves anonymously still the choice of the player with that also another thing is the KYC is protection to the minors too we know that it is not too much implemented just clicking agree that you are 18 you can now proceed to play but with the use of KYC they are preventing to play at the same time prevent the number of players who is under 18 for their safety too.

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This is one of the cases that they are trying to solve since the boom of online gambling. It doesn't work.
First, an online gambler doesn't want all his information leaked. That means if they implement the KYC rule of ID verification with the owner holding it, I'd rather not do it if I am in that position and look for another gambling site that offers no KYC like that. They lose customers.
If a kid has a parent who uses their identity to gamble, then that's the parents' problem, in my opinion as a parent. You cannot trace every user in the gambling industry just to check the legitimacy of their age.

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 10, 2022, 06:57:16 PM

Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

But I still wonder if this kind of technology is effective enough for those minors who use their parent's access accounts to gambling sites. Will this be able to detect such action? Will this kind of technology can trully protect minors and prevent them to access gambling sites?

Then how these minors can top up their account at gambling sites? Surely, they can't easily access their parents' financial sources. For let's say they are using their allowance, what method they are using to fund their account as almost all payment methods require KYC?

About the initiative of the German government to control the minors, we aren't sure if that will be effective in the long run but it's a good start rather than doing nothing and just allowing minors to freely roam and gambled at gambling sites without parent's consent.

The government already doing something about this minors problem and gambling site too have implemented the method to prevent this.
So,it depends on the individual now,the parents or adult around them should educate these minors to not involve themselves to any kind of gambling activities online or offline.

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I think when applying Biometric identification technology in gambling places, it will make your privacy known to many people and can make the company that develops this technology get all personal identities and maybe sell it on the black market, because so far as I know it was created. Digital currencies such as cryptocurrencies have the aim of keeping the wallet owner from being known to many people (anonymous) and when it is adopted to a gambling place it is very suitable because everyone can gamble without worrying about privacy.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

This had been the main issue in online gambling. Minors had been flocking to the online Casino site without any restrictions. They can blatantly access gambling sites with their parents' cards, fake their identities and so on. Germany does tackle this issue seriously and recently German Commission for the Protection of Minor in the Media (KJM). had a deal with Incode Technologies, a US-based specialist in biometric identity for the age verification solution.[1]

The German government is very inclined that it will help greatly in protecting minors because of its advanced technology.

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Incode Technologies, a US-based specialist in biometric identity, has its age verification solution approved by the German Commission for the Protection of Minor in the Media (KJM).

‘Legal Certainty’ to Providers
The age verification solution provided by Incode Technologies verifies users against data from their ID cards, comparing their image on the card with a real-time selfie.

The technology facilitates the age verification process by providing guidelines to ensure the optimum scan of the ID card and photo of the user and once complete, the service performs tests to confirm authenticity and issues a score.

But I still wonder if this kind of technology is effective enough for those minors who use their parent's access accounts to gambling sites. Will this be able to detect such action? Will this kind of technology can trully protect minors and prevent them to access gambling sites?

[1] https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/incodes-age-verification-approved-for-protecting-minors-in-germany/

If the minors steal IDs from their parents, doesn't that mean that their parents aren't actually monitoring them as they should? Shouldn't the parents be blamed for this and not the casino. It is the responsibility of the parents to know what their kids are doing.

Anyway, most casino will require them to hold their ID and take a selfie. They won't be able to do that. Initial verification might not require that, but they eventually will have to.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

But I still wonder if this kind of technology is effective enough for those minors who use their parent's access accounts to gambling sites. Will this be able to detect such action? Will this kind of technology can trully protect minors and prevent them to access gambling sites?

Then how these minors can top up their account at gambling sites? Surely, they can't easily access their parents' financial sources. For let's say they are using their allowance, what method they are using to fund their account as almost all payment methods require KYC?

About the initiative of the German government to control the minors, we aren't sure if that will be effective in the long run but it's a good start rather than doing nothing and just allowing minors to freely roam and gambled at gambling sites without parent's consent.

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