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Quote from: gunhell16 on June 09, 2022, 08:27:08 PM

Quote from: Apocollapse on June 09, 2022, 07:12:52 AM

What if the kid using a filter to make him looks like an adult and then the video he used to fake the biometric verification? I think it's kinda possible if the site only ask the biometric verification without ID. We're in 21st century and technology are improve really lot every year, anyone can use any tools that appeared in the google. There's nothing to stop this, except he's.

You have a point on this dude, especially nowadays, through the technology we got now in this generation everything is possible.
And in addition to this thing filter I think is one of their major tools for this kids to make look like an adult, and they can do this anytime
in any of the gambling games here in cryptocurrency industry as long as there is no verification requiring in the gambling games.

Kids today tend to be smarter and can find a solution to fake verification and with the support of the available technology, they can do it without any problems.
This filter might suppress the high number of children who are already gambling because it will try to stop them from accessing gambling sites.
If biometric features work, children will have a hard time verifying themselves as they won't match if they use adult identification.
But we still have to wait for the results of using this feature but hopefully, it will work well.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

This had been the main issue in online gambling. Minors had been flocking to the online Casino site without any restrictions. They can blatantly access gambling sites with their parents' cards, fake their identities and so on. Germany does tackle this issue seriously and recently German Commission for the Protection of Minor in the Media (KJM). had a deal with Incode Technologies, a US-based specialist in biometric identity for the age verification solution.[1]

The German government is very inclined that it will help greatly in protecting minors because of its advanced technology.

How we all wish as parents that our country will look at gambling in same manner as what Germany does now because this involves our youngsters and we cannot prevent them from accessing anything as we are also busy in our own works and activities,
but I kept telling my kids about the good and bad side of gambling and if they will going to enter then make sure to know the consequences , and yeah they are listening to me but it is much better if this verification will be conducted so none of them will be in trouble with gambling world.
unless they are ready enough? then I will never take in the middle of the activities but as long as they are under my roof? i will be the master to decide.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

But I still wonder if this kind of technology is effective enough for those minors who use their parent's access accounts to gambling sites. Will this be able to detect such action? Will this kind of technology can trully protect minors and prevent them to access gambling sites?

Usually KYC involves selfie holding the ID so it's impossible to use this trick on stricter law imposed by the government. I doubt that the German government didn't think about this carefully by just requiring ID to verify the account. There might be some extra layer of security besides selfie to make sure minors will be filtered properly.

I agree, there's nothing I can think better that this way. It is very hard to monitor online transactions especially that we know this is still in crypto. If they will try to access mic or camera it will go against the privacy rule, family needs to monitor their child as well. Kyc is only way, but not all people like that and there's no exemption whether you are a minor or adult you still need to do it.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

This had been the main issue in online gambling. Minors had been flocking to the online Casino site without any restrictions. They can blatantly access gambling sites with their parents' cards, fake their identities and so on.

The fact is that whenever there is a rule, there is a way to break the rule, but it is better that measures are put in place to prevent minors from playing, even if some of them end up breaking the rule. A minor who steals the card from his parents to play is not going to last long, because sooner or later they are going to realize the charges of the card in the casino. All measures to prevent underage gambling are positive, and underage gamblers creating fake identities of using their parents' cards are the exception rather than the rule.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

But I still wonder if this kind of technology is effective enough for those minors who use their parent's access accounts to gambling sites. Will this be able to detect such action? Will this kind of technology can trully protect minors and prevent them to access gambling sites?

I believe so, biometric technology, especially for easy detection, has evolved a lot in recent years.
Of course, this technology needs to be used wisely... request biometric verification when making a payment and also in situations that the player does not expect, such as when he is losing or winning a lot of bets.
If it's just a photo, it can't be, either, but asking and detecting the user to blink their eyes or smile is something that can prevent many frauds with the use of false identity in gambling.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on June 09, 2022, 07:12:52 AM

What if the kid using a filter to make him looks like an adult and then the video he used to fake the biometric verification? I think it's kinda possible if the site only ask the biometric verification without ID. We're in 21st century and technology are improve really lot every year, anyone can use any tools that appeared in the google. There's nothing to stop this, except he's.

You have a point on this dude, especially nowadays, through the technology we got now in this generation everything is possible.
And in addition to this thing filter I think is one of their major tools for this kids to make look like an adult, and they can do this anytime
in any of the gambling games here in cryptocurrency industry as long as there is no verification requiring in the gambling games.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

But I still wonder if this kind of technology is effective enough for those minors who use their parent's access accounts to gambling sites. Will this be able to detect such action? Will this kind of technology can trully protect minors and prevent them to access gambling sites?

https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/incodes-age-verification-approved-for-protecting-minors-in-germany/

I don't think it's effective if a minor knows their parent's passwords or they manipulate their parents by creating an account here or totally bypassing these verifications by using a VPN or using other casinos that don't have this technology of verification, the article says

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Gaming operators are now turning to age verification providers that have achieved KJM approval, and so we’re delighted that the KJM has given us a positive ruling on our application.”

minors can easily sign up to casinos that do not adhere to or uses this technology, not every casino have this kind of verification, it will work on casinos that use them but not on casinos that still don't have that kind of verification process.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on June 09, 2022, 03:42:20 PM

I certainly don't think minors should be gambling/betting on any sort of online or in person casinos, but I think a big part of the problem here is the parents themselves. When I was younger there is no way I could have gotten away with this. I had pretty strict controls on everything and my parents checked my browser history and what not. Of course websites should do whatever they can to help out here, but I think the biggest issue is lack of proper parenting.

Parenting is a great or big factor but we know that there's no such thing about 100% parenting which you could really monitor out your kids 24/7 but having some monitoring is really recommended but not all
would really be having that kind of thing because we do have our jobs which means that you cant really able to do such thing but at least you are still that minding about your kids protection from
things which could possibly able to affect them in the future specially with gambling which we know that addiction is something that should really be avoided while its still early.
Make them educated about gambling if ever you cant monitor them strictly at least.

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I certainly don't think minors should be gambling/betting on any sort of online or in person casinos, but I think a big part of the problem here is the parents themselves. When I was younger there is no way I could have gotten away with this. I had pretty strict controls on everything and my parents checked my browser history and what not. Of course websites should do whatever they can to help out here, but I think the biggest issue is lack of proper parenting.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

But I still wonder if this kind of technology is effective enough for those minors who use their parent's access accounts to gambling sites. Will this be able to detect such action? Will this kind of technology can trully protect minors and prevent them to access gambling sites?

https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/incodes-age-verification-approved-for-protecting-minors-in-germany/

If biometric authentication is made mandatory for all users to access online casinos, I think that will provide great security against minors accessing the website. But it has to be completely biometric, not ID card scanning.

But the challenge will still remain in case of crypto gambling websites. They are international by nature as they don't rely on the tradition payment services. So it's interesting to see how German government plans to tacke that!

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in this case I think that also parents have their responsibilities with their kids.
not only as education or teaching some important stuff about gambling but also keeping control of ... own stuffs!
because if they are using credit card and private documents of their relatives, it means that something is going wrong and some control should be adopted in a certain way...

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It's not just Germany, many other countries are now adding a digital ID, these Digital ID's can be used to access the sites online but at the same time this would indirectly verify your age, this inturn would mean that the government would be tracking you more efficiently but this also means that the kids won't be able to access these sites, so it's both good and bad for sure and I do think that technologies are evolving and gambling online using cryptocurrencies is getting much more restricted slowly therefore some people might choose to use VPN to access these sites and some of them might try and find a loophole I think overall it's a good idea to keep kids out.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

But I still wonder if this kind of technology is effective enough for those minors who use their parent's access accounts to gambling sites. Will this be able to detect such action? Will this kind of technology can trully protect minors and prevent them to access gambling sites?

The counteraction they made is effective because they will filter out those people who plays on several casino which is under their jurisdiction, although we can't deny the fact that there are few of them will fake their credentials but for sure they cannot sustain it for long period of time.

Although this is good action made already we cannot give the full trust to the government about the minors protection toward gambling because in the first place their parents is the one first to protect the welfare of their child and they give full guidance to them for sure the society will never get any problem with them.

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It doesn't need biometric verification, many casinos already demand a live video conversation in their TOS to make sure the client is a real person and same with the ID he submitted. If the client refuse to start a live video conversation, pretty sure there's something that he want to hide and as the casino, just freeze his fund until he can do it. However, this doesn't protect the minors completely 100% since there's a lot online casinos out there.

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Strict screening of players on gambling platforms will not solve this problem IMO. The youth are much smarter nowadays, and with the advent of lots of identity masking and some stolen dox online, they can just grab one and use it for KYC and they can play without problems. No matter how sophisticated or advanced their identification systems are, if the youth really wants to gamble and play, they will always find a way. I saw that "parental supervision" has been stated here for a lot of times. It is actually the simplest and most effective way to curb teenage gambling, but also the solution that not a lot of parents pursue for their children.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

This had been the main issue in online gambling. Minors had been flocking to the online Casino site without any restrictions.

The world already knows the problem, minors are found to be involved in online gambling, with technology and the internet easily accessible, no exception children, adults to the elderly.

Sometimes KYC alone can't solve minors involved in online gambling, the identity of the attack era is easy to fake, the only way for gambling sites to do kyc photos, but that's not possible, strict registration rules could result in the site lack of subscribers.

Parental supervision, especially in this case, is the best solution.

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What if the kid using a filter to make him looks like an adult and then the video he used to fake the biometric verification? I think it's kinda possible if the site only ask the biometric verification without ID. We're in 21st century and technology are improve really lot every year, anyone can use any tools that appeared in the google. There's nothing to stop this, except he's.

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well let's imagine that a 16 year old kid in Germany takes his money (money that his parents gave him) buys cryptocurrencies and then opens an account at an online casino, uses a VPN and makes a deposit and starts playing. my question:

How will this child be discovered?

Would this Incode Technologies system find out that the least has an account at casino Z and is using cryptocurrencies to make deposits and play?

I would say the following:

Nowadays children already have access to smarphones and computers very early, what parents need to do is pay more attention to the child, provide civic and moral education to children, this is the only solution. when parents are negligent then children will get involved early in gambling, drinking, alcohol, robberies, murders, pornography and many other harmful things

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Quote from: bittraffic on June 09, 2022, 03:03:08 AM

We know there are casinos that suspect some users are minors but they are just allowing them because they make money out of it.

But its hard enough to trust a casino and then they are adding a 3rd party to scan the IDs. This time its not just the casino that have your data but also this Incode. Why the Germans will allow this, its all up to them.

Exactly!
Most casinos are fully aware that majority of their users are minors still they allow them to join and freely access every feature of theirs no minding the implications of their actions.
They just have the one rule of making money at any cost.

Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

Will this kind of technology can trully protect minors and prevent them to access gambling sites?

I doubt it can

Quote from: Ulven on June 09, 2022, 05:13:04 AM

In my opinion, the government should not rely exclusively on technology to protect minors from entering a gambling site via the Internet. Also, it is not enough for the government alone to implement such measures, as others must become engaged in educating children about this issue. This is why I believe that conducting large-scale debates aimed at protecting minors from joining gambling would be useful!!!

However the sad reality is that some governments especially in the African part simply do not care about all of these, and the minors on their own part may see this as an opportunity of making money.
So in that case, who educates who?

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 09, 2022, 01:27:54 AM

Will this kind of technology can trully protect minors and prevent them to access gambling sites?

In my opinion, the government should not rely exclusively on technology to protect minors from entering a gambling site via the Internet. Also, it is not enough for the government alone to implement such measures, as others must become engaged in educating children about this issue. This is why I believe that conducting large-scale debates aimed at protecting minors from joining gambling would be useful!!!

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