Minor trust score algorithm change - page 2.

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Quote from: shorena on May 21, 2015, 04:25:32 PM

Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 04:17:50 PM

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Not really sure what that has to do with what I said...

New users have default trust so when they see people with scores of +10 and +20 they will assume they are trusted. The old system that would be sort of correct, but with the new system it can be someone with only a few old positive ratings.

Besides Im not sure I trusted those fancy numbers when I came here, I wonder why this is a common assumption. IMHO it makes more sense to assume that people comeing here to trade take their time to understand the system first.

Its not a common assumption people, especially newbies, judge what they can see, and if you have a scammer tag, there is a high posibility that they wont trade with you

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What is your opinion about re-adding *negative* trust feedback so that user's m trust rating show as ????

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Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 04:17:50 PM

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Not really sure what that has to do with what I said...

New users have default trust so when they see people with scores of +10 and +20 they will assume they are trusted. The old system that would be sort of correct, but with the new system it can be someone with only a few old positive ratings.

+10 does not make you trustworthy its the comparisson that makes +10 look high and thus trustworthy. With people like you around (+403 on my list) 10 still looks small.

Besides Im not sure I trusted those fancy numbers when I came here, I wonder why this is a common assumption. IMHO it makes more sense to assume that people comeing here to trade take their time to understand the system first.

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Quote from: redsn0w on May 21, 2015, 03:58:38 PM

Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 03:53:13 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on May 21, 2015, 03:15:39 PM

Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 01:55:06 PM

I think the default network is pretty solid now. If anyone leaves some questionable feedback it is openly dealt with here in meta. I just think that the scores are too high and will give newbies a false sence of security. If you are new and see some guy with a +10 trust score you assume he is trusted... I think the new formula is alright just the numbers are too high.

Again, an high dark green trust score doesn't mean that the user is pretty "trusted"... everyone should (always) trade with his own diligence. Now this little modification of the trust system will be evaluated in the next few months/years. If someone 'can' suggest a new better thing I think theymos will modify the system another time.

It does not matter what it should be, it matters how it is. Most people just use default trust and rely on positive trust scores to judge someone here.

'Not exactly' when you register a new account you notice that the trust list contain only the DefaultTrust user (it is an automatic thing). So yes most people use DefaultTrust because they feel 'it' correct but it is not always good... see the few people removed in the last months.

PS: it is matter what theorically should be... I always check the history of an user before trade with him (Also if he has +400 as trust score, it doesn't matter Wink

.... whne the majority of users will start to think in this way I am sure there will not be scammed users anymore).

Not really sure what that has to do with what I said...

New users have default trust so when they see people with scores of +10 and +20 they will assume they are trusted. The old system that would be sort of correct, but with the new system it can be someone with only a few old positive ratings.

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Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 03:53:13 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on May 21, 2015, 03:15:39 PM

Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 01:55:06 PM

I think the default network is pretty solid now. If anyone leaves some questionable feedback it is openly dealt with here in meta. I just think that the scores are too high and will give newbies a false sence of security. If you are new and see some guy with a +10 trust score you assume he is trusted... I think the new formula is alright just the numbers are too high.

Again, an high dark green trust score doesn't mean that the user is pretty "trusted"... everyone should (always) trade with his own diligence. Now this little modification of the trust system will be evaluated in the next few months/years. If someone 'can' suggest a new better thing I think theymos will modify the system another time.

It does not matter what it should be, it matters how it is. Most people just use default trust and rely on positive trust scores to judge someone here.

'Not exactly' when you register a new account you notice that the trust list contain only the DefaultTrust user (it is an automatic thing). So yes most people use DefaultTrust because they feel 'it' correct but it is not always good... see the few people removed in the last months.

PS: it is matter what theorically should be... I always check the history of an user before trade with him (Also if he has +400 as trust score, it doesn't matter Wink

.... whne the majority of users will start to think in this way I am sure there will not be scammed users anymore).

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Quote from: redsn0w on May 21, 2015, 03:15:39 PM

Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 01:55:06 PM

I think the default network is pretty solid now. If anyone leaves some questionable feedback it is openly dealt with here in meta. I just think that the scores are too high and will give newbies a false sence of security. If you are new and see some guy with a +10 trust score you assume he is trusted... I think the new formula is alright just the numbers are too high.

Again, an high dark green trust score doesn't mean that the user is pretty "trusted"... everyone should (always) trade with his own diligence. Now this little modification of the trust system will be evaluated in the next few months/years. If someone 'can' suggest a new better thing I think theymos will modify the system another time.

It does not matter what it should be, it matters how it is. Most people just use default trust and rely on positive trust scores to judge someone here.

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#Free market

Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 01:55:06 PM

I think the default network is pretty solid now. If anyone leaves some questionable feedback it is openly dealt with here in meta. I just think that the scores are too high and will give newbies a false sence of security. If you are new and see some guy with a +10 trust score you assume he is trusted... I think the new formula is alright just the numbers are too high.

Again, an high dark green trust score doesn't mean that the user is pretty "trusted"... everyone should (always) trade with his own diligence. Now this little modification of the trust system will be evaluated in the next few months/years. If someone 'can' suggest a new better thing I think theymos will modify the system another time.

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Quote from: PistolPete on May 21, 2015, 02:23:02 PM

Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 02:05:04 PM

Quote from: PistolPete on May 21, 2015, 02:02:12 PM

Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 01:55:06 PM

I think the default network is pretty solid now.

You would think so but no, it isn't.

What is wrong with it? Disputes seem to get handled well and out in the open.

Remember the nice deals with Marco, which allowed him to remain green? This moron got ripped off after being fooled by the nice color.

Ask yourself - would you've got that amount in advance if you didn't have your Level 2 ability? Cross check with all those he threw out of the campaign.

I think if anything my reputation and good feedback gets me better deals...not being lvl 2 in the trust network. I was getting those "special" deals well before the drama started.

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Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 02:05:04 PM

Quote from: PistolPete on May 21, 2015, 02:02:12 PM

Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 01:55:06 PM

I think the default network is pretty solid now.

You would think so but no, it isn't.

What is wrong with it? Disputes seem to get handled well and out in the open.

Remember the nice deals with Marco, which allowed him to remain green? This moron got ripped off after being fooled by the nice color.

Ask yourself - would you've got that amount in advance if you didn't have your Level 2 ability? Cross check with all those he threw out of the campaign.

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Quote from: koelen3 on May 21, 2015, 01:57:37 PM

Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 01:55:06 PM

I think the default network is pretty solid now. If anyone leaves some questionable feedback it is openly dealt with here in meta. I just think that the scores are too high and will give newbies a false sence of security. If you are new and see some guy with a +10 trust score you assume he is trusted... I think the new formula is alright just the numbers are too high.

+1
Also i think you're the highest one here with 222 Trust Score along with Ognasty Cheesy

Can't find anyone else Undecided

dangit, so close with 213

Well once I add my personal network back I show myself as 444: -0 / +57 and OgNasty being the highest with 479: -0 / +56. I think that with using default only I am probably the highest rated though...not sure.

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Quote from: PistolPete on May 21, 2015, 02:02:12 PM

Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 01:55:06 PM

I think the default network is pretty solid now.

You would think so but no, it isn't.

What is wrong with it? Disputes seem to get handled well and out in the open.

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Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 01:55:06 PM

I think the default network is pretty solid now.

You would think so but no, it isn't.

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Quote from: koelen3 on May 21, 2015, 01:57:37 PM

Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 01:55:06 PM

I think the default network is pretty solid now. If anyone leaves some questionable feedback it is openly dealt with here in meta. I just think that the scores are too high and will give newbies a false sence of security. If you are new and see some guy with a +10 trust score you assume he is trusted... I think the new formula is alright just the numbers are too high.

+1
Also i think you're the highest one here with 222 Trust Score along with Ognasty Cheesy

Can't find anyone else Undecided

dangit, so close with 213

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Quote from: Blazed on May 21, 2015, 01:55:06 PM

I think the default network is pretty solid now. If anyone leaves some questionable feedback it is openly dealt with here in meta. I just think that the scores are too high and will give newbies a false sence of security. If you are new and see some guy with a +10 trust score you assume he is trusted... I think the new formula is alright just the numbers are too high.

+1
Also i think you're the highest one here with 222 Trust Score along with Ognasty Cheesy

Can't find anyone else Undecided

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I think the default network is pretty solid now. If anyone leaves some questionable feedback it is openly dealt with here in meta. I just think that the scores are too high and will give newbies a false sence of security. If you are new and see some guy with a +10 trust score you assume he is trusted... I think the new formula is alright just the numbers are too high.

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Quote from: tidus1097 on May 21, 2015, 01:15:28 PM

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Quote from: sukamasoto on May 21, 2015, 12:34:35 PM

The first number is the trust score.

So the trust score appear if you receive any trust include positive and negative on default trust and out of default trust ?

That's what I'm curious about. If someone trades someone out of default trust does it still raise the score? Or is the only way to raise the score is to trade with default trust? If so, that does not seem right. I do understand that you shouldn't trade exclusively with default trust nor do I, but if someone has alot of successful trades with other members that are not on default trust, that does not seem right that they would not get some sort of rating increase. That of course if trading outside default trust does not change your rating.

Numbers in trust rating increases only if you get positive feedback from default trust list users.

I can and do understand the reasoning behind this and its purpose, but, idk. Seems like their would be a better solution. Maybe a untrusted feedback ranking score as well.

Untrusted feedback score can easily be manipulated. It won't have any "good" use.

I feel that default trust can be manipulated as well. So I do not think that argument is valid.

I don't agree. A user can simply create alts and leave feedback on himself to bump up their untrusted feedback score. A user cannot create alts that are on defaulttrust.

While that is true, and I do agree with that, but its also true that trust buying goes on here as well. It may not be monetary funds or even cryptocurrency, but the fact does remain trust can be bought. All I'm saying is the system is always ready for improvements. We just have to think about what those improvements could be and implement them to see if the desired effect does work.

I still don't see the problem. If you don't like the people on defaulttrust, you can build your own trust list.

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Quote from: tidus1097 on May 21, 2015, 01:15:28 PM

While that is true, and I do agree with that, but its also true that trust buying goes on here as well. It may not be monetary funds or even cryptocurrency, but the fact does remain trust can be bought. All I'm saying is the system is always ready for improvements. We just have to think about what those improvements could be and implement them to see if the desired effect does work.

That will be no use , as people will always find exploits and use them for their advantage.
It is best to have this limited to Default User's Only , i don't know if anyone is selling trust but this new change as i understand will make it hard for them.
Even if you get 5 Ratings right now from 5 different people , you will need to wait 1 month to turn Light Green , 2 more months to become Dark Green.
And if only 1 person gives you trust again and again , than it will be Light Green and first number as 10 at the max.
So it is actually better and safer to abuse than before.

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