Topic: Mixers to be banned - page 41. (Read 23083 times)

Thanks for reminding me I had a gambling thread laying somewhere, but I wasn't been able to get any addicts into it last time so let's try again proselytize a few into horse races gambling, after all, it's just newbies losing their money, a prefect legit business.
But is this forum hosted in Georgia or Delaware, just to know before I get myself banned ?!  

Now seriously, joking aside I wish theymos to add one more clear exception to this:


We should be allowed to mention the name and url a of a scamming mixer in the scam accusation topic!
I'm fine without being allowed to mention the original name as this of course would lead to people making fake topics just to promote it but we should be allowed to mentioned scamming and fake ones!

The boundary between the pressure of the state and the individual (as in the case of any two opposing entities) lies where there is a balance between pressure and resistance of the one being pressured.
If we believe Theymos, he shifted the border not in favor of users without any attempt at resistance - since according to his words there was not even any pressure and he tried just prevent future problems.
I’m probably naive (and of course I don’t know all the circumstances... although why should I invent excuses for him), but I assess this as a betrayal of the ideals that this forum originally had.

Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested

I wonder why this forum wasn't been seized during Silk Road's case, I guess that case was big on that moment because sometimes few people still discuss about that.

Below was the first censorship, it seems both theymos and Sirius are agree to not taking a big risk. Centralized mixer is always become a hot topic unlike Monero, CoinJoin etc, that's why I guess theymos still allow that.


This forum follows US laws, so those countries e.g. China, Bangladesh etc that ban Bitcoin doesn't have any relation to US laws.

Considering the crypto ecosystem now, exchanges and trades majorly flow through centralized exchanges and it's not a close call either. If centralized exchanges restrict XMR it will take a very heay strike on the price and only true privacy users will use them on DEX.
With majority of the liquidity gone the value will further dip.
This will only be avoided if we have more people using DEXes now.

Some people won't stop, of course, just like how it was in 2010 with silk road...

People ain't gonna be doin their groceries with monero though. Every bit of legitimacy will be gone.

Monero's going to be a casualty in American regulators centralising crypto. If fiat exchanges use blockchain analysis companies like Wasabi hires they'll reject coins which can't be traced to good sources.

XMR's going to be available on decentralised exchanges but it's going to take a strike on price. It won't go back to 2009 bitcoin price because ppl won't stop using XMR.

When they ban XMR from every CEX, you will notice we have built DEX.


People shouldn't be afraid of their government.  Governments should be afraid of their people.  Even small minorities can bring change. 

Initially I thought this change wasn't so controversial and found myself even agreeing with the decision but I changed my mind after reading some discussion here.

This changes Bitcointalk and how we can view it as a whole. It goes beyond just mixers. An important remark made by people in this thread already is that Bitcointalk does not moderate scams. That goes to say, Bitcointalk is still a place where questionable services can exist and promote themselves.

Are mixers so different because they provide privacy or because they can be used for illegal purposes? In the latter case, there should be a massive crackdown on other illegal activity on the forum. Moreso because not every mixer in itself is a scam as people have already concluded in this thread. Otherwise this decision is very questionable. On the other hand, if mixers are being banned because of pressure from the government against services that provide privacy, it is also a questionable action. In that case Bitcointalk is an indirect adversary of privacy.

Must we start to worry in what other ways pressure may be applied on Bitcointalk and its operators?

When they ban XMR-like coins from every FIAT gate in existence, XMR will go back to where btc was at in 2009.

Irwin Allen Schiff, John McAffee, Al Capone all went against the government and they all ended up in jail. You don't fuck with the government.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster mixers, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor Monero seem to be holding their own.

Sadly this doesn't come to me as a shock. And this quote indeed sums it up nicely.

Somehow I tend to believe that theymos may be trying to protect either the users from potential unpleasant questions, either the very existence of bitcointalk. And that's why it is this unclear, somehow contradictory and open to this level of questioning, especially as this forum used to proudly consider itself one for free speech and, more interesting not moderating scams.

Still, I think that theymos could try to express better - if possible (!) - the background of this... mess...



But never forget, everybody, we are only guests here. Wake up calls like this will always remind us about this reality...

I agree with this. The decision, of course, has been controversial, and there are many people who do not agree, but I believe, like you, that it is better to avoid greater evils. Besides, criticising from a distance is always easy. We would have to see what each of us would have done if we had found ourselves in the same situation as theymos.

As long as you pay taxes, there is no way out. The gov give orders, you obey.

Democracy died many years ago in US, but if that weren't enough the last nail in the coffin was during the events leading to January 2021 when hooligans raided the Capitol because of the orders given by their hooligan leader who was never prosecuted for his crimes...

If it comes to that I don't think they'd stop at shutting down the forum. There'd be arrests too... It wouldn't be the first time they do something like that either!

Until we know that there is Freedom of speech but Freedom after speech is not guaranteed we would stop believing in free speech.

FXT was an Exchange too and still pull one of the biggest crypto scam, sent many to the grave ... They ain't pure heaven.

If mixers will find a way to survive this and gain their popularity back, then the gov will come back to kill everything (the whole crypto business) next time. If that's what you want...

I have a better suggestion.  We should edit Bitcoin Discussion board into Anti Bitcoin Discussion board and ban any positive discussion about Bitcoin.  Then the next time the Feds will enter Bitcoin Talk they will say 'Phew!', wipe the sweat off their forehead and leave the Forum alone.

We should start requiring all members to upload identification documents to continue posting too.  But make them publicly accessible so all those fuckers who are even THINKING of doing crime will feel the fear up their bum and never come back again.  Easy, quick clean up!

Then I have an AMAZING strategy to help theymos keep the Forum up and running.  I have not seen YouTube and Twitter seized by any Local Authority so this has to be perfectly legal.  Add on the Forum a big GIVEAWAY sign no body can miss.  Once you click, you are sent to the Satoshi giveaway of 100,000 Bitcoin.  Put a QR of the personal Wallet of theymos, but tell them Satoshi will double any amount they send to it.  Quick money the perfectly legal way!  Entrepreneurs HATE this secret!

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I forgot to say that I am the biggest Terrorist of the World.  I in fact have some bombs laying on my back as I am writing this post.  Please!  Fed!  Investigate me!  Fuck all those Rich people who launder trillions!  Also do not forget to look into poorer sections of the Forum such as Local Indian board or Nigerian board.  You may find some wild criminal activity there.  Could you imagine some body may have withdrawn five Dollars to feed their family and never paid Taxes for it?  FIVE DOLLARS!  Time to strike and sanction all them active criminals!

Please Feds, you can NOT forgive me for being such an avid supporter of the ULTRA MEGA EXTRA EXCEEDINGLY WILDLY SUPER CRIMINAL Mixers!

EXTREMELY RADICALLY REVOLUTIONARILY INCREDIBLY PARTICULARLY VERY Criminal Mixers in fact.  There you go.  Now the Feds must be sweating and shaking, desperately trying to find me.  TRY THAT, FEDS!  In case you got carried away by the caps locked words do not forget to be careful about those bombs on my back though.

Unemployment rate on bitcointalk suddenly rises by 999999%. Shieeet.

Whatarethoseunemployedpeoplegonnado now?


Theymos ain't gonna go to jail for this forum. It ain't worth it. You would do the same. Don't talk crazy.

I have only read comments which have been merited, so pardon if someone has already asked this question, what about participating in price prediction contests that gets hosted by mixers in games and rounds?

Allowance to create such threads won't be available in first place I think, but I still seek clarification.

This question is similar what cyagan asked [1].

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Personally I dislike the idea and this statement from PrivacyG sums it up pretty well.

"If theymos censors Mixers, this is ONLY the beginning of further Censorship."

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[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63256011

No one is banning exchanges and I don't see this question and the reason on point at all. There are some businesses specifically designed for that purpose or similar purposes, but are exchanges specifically designed for that too?

After all, if there is any illegality, exchanges are well-known, they can be made accountable for everything, and having it on record makes it easy for any law enforcers, and can assist them in their investigation. Anyone following that procedure you just explained to hide their money is even only wasting their time as such is never hidden from the radar.

So why ban exchanges here too?