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Quote from: eaLiTy on February 04, 2022, 06:29:18 PM

Jeremy Stephens is famous for the one line counter by Conor McGregor during media event in the UFC "Who the fook is that guy" and he is known for this line after that Cheesy

, i really liked Jeremy Stephens and his striking power and he could finish anyone during his day but injuries and age caught up with him and it is good to see him trying other competitions and i still believe he could knockout fighters that are not top ranked.

He is not that old with 35 years, so I think that he can still perform and fight, but his recent record is not something to be proud off.
I don't know when he is going to fight and against who, but PFL is finally coming back after big break with new event in February 18 PFL Challenger Series One.
For now it's only four fights so don't expect anything special.

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Quote from: notblox1 on February 04, 2022, 02:54:00 PM

I forgot to post this earlier but one more ex-UFC fighter Jeremy Stephens is back in the fighting game after he signed new deal with PFL MMA for 2022 season.
He is 35 years old, his first fight was long ago in 2007, his professional record is 28-19, and he will be good addition for PFL competition lightweight division.
Stephens lost five of his last six fights and one was no contest so he needs to come back with a win in PFL.

Jeremy Stephens is famous for the one line counter by Conor McGregor during media event in the UFC "Who the fook is that guy" and he is known for this line after that Cheesy

, i really liked Jeremy Stephens and his striking power and he could finish anyone during his day but injuries and age caught up with him and it is good to see him trying other competitions and i still believe he could knockout fighters that are not top ranked.

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I forgot to post this earlier but one more ex-UFC fighter Jeremy Stephens is back in the fighting game after he signed new deal with PFL MMA for 2022 season.
He is 35 years old, his first fight was long ago in 2007, his professional record is 28-19, and he will be good addition for PFL competition lightweight division.
Stephens lost five of his last six fights and one was no contest so he needs to come back with a win in PFL.

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Quote from: notblox1 on February 03, 2022, 06:23:13 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on February 03, 2022, 01:57:06 AM

I have a friend who’s a huge Fedor fan and he thinks Fedor is the best HW MMA fighter ever. I tend to agree but how do we really know if he hadn’t fought the guys in the UFC? Like Cain, JDS and whoever was at the top during their prime.

Fedor is a legend from another time with 40 pro wins in his MMA carrier, he was there fighting and kicking before UFC ever existed, it was Pride from Japan, and he still have one last farewell fight

I would agree that he is the best MMA heavyweight fighter in the world in his time, but this sport is changing all the time.

You know what happened with ex-UFC champion Demetrious Johnson when he moved from UFC to One Championship MMA?
He lost from Adriano Moraes who was never in UFC, and I can find more examples like that.

Yeah I know. The guy I’m really interested in to see fight in the UFC is AJ McKee. I think that guy is legit and could bang vs all the top 145’ers in the UFC. I think Dana White should do some sort of trade like he did for Askren. And do it asap! Unlike with Askren, the UFC did it way too late and got the bum version. Would’ve been nice to see Askren in his prime and fight in the UFC. Poor guy... Now he’s at the wrong end of the highlight reel. Lol.

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^ Depends which UFC event you’re talking about bud.

But I do get it. There are some events in the UFC that don’t deliver... But there are events in Bellator that do suck too a lot of times. And Bellator 273 was one of the best events Scott Coker had after a couple of so so events.

What made Bellator 273 special was the underdogs in main card winning their bouts. Especially the Henderson win. He fought in front of his home town, his family and friends. He was considered washed by the books and most of the MMA community and expected him to lose vs one of Khabib’s proteges... Nope. So good.

Exactly! The UFC fluctuates a lot, think of it like crypto XD, it's very turbulent and the quality of an event varies drastically from one to another. It's mostly due to them actually having too many fighters on the rooster and then having to put multiple events just to accommodate those numbers. With Bellator, I see more consistency, but that consistency is on a lower level than UFCs. I am not sure if Bellator can overcome this, it seems to be bound with UFC in some odd way and I doubt it will ever have its own footing in the sport. But it's always good to have options, especially when you look at the talent in ONE and EAGLE FC (when they beef up the roster a bit).

Not really. The UFC has been fairly consistent with their Fight Night events with some of those having a roster worthy to be a PPV event. But the thing with the UFC is you get around two, three or four Fight Night events then a PPV card in between, the quality tends to go up then down to Fight Night quality.

I think a lot of the UFC FN events we’ve seen last year had higher quality than many Bellator events. It’s just more exciting. Match makers in the UFC are really good at their job.

That's what I am getting at. Sure, you might get more consistency when you look strictly at Fight Nigh quality (even though I would disagree on that from a personal standpoint, for me at least it tends to fluctuate more), but beside's Fight Night we have other 8 types of UFC events in the mix. And yes, FN has more events overall, but when you combine all of that together you get a lot of fluctuation. What I see with Bellator is not that their events are at the level UFC FN is, but just that they are, at the Bellator level, more or less more consistent (just my opinion and my view).

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 03, 2022, 01:57:06 AM

I have a friend who’s a huge Fedor fan and he thinks Fedor is the best HW MMA fighter ever. I tend to agree but how do we really know if he hadn’t fought the guys in the UFC? Like Cain, JDS and whoever was at the top during their prime.

Fedor is a legend from another time with 40 pro wins in his MMA carrier, he was there fighting and kicking before UFC ever existed, it was Pride from Japan, and he still have one last farewell fight

I would agree that he is the best MMA heavyweight fighter in the world in his time, but this sport is changing all the time.

You know what happened with ex-UFC champion Demetrious Johnson when he moved from UFC to One Championship MMA?
He lost from Adriano Moraes who was never in UFC, and I can find more examples like that.

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^ It would’ve been nice to see him go fight all the best UFC fighters during his prime just to see who’s the best. I guess he fought some would be somewhat great UFC fighters at the time at Strike Force. Fedor lost to Werdum, Big Foot Silva and Dan Henderson. I guess it would be safe to say prime Cain Velasquez and prime JDS would’ve gotten some W’s vs him too?

Quote from: bittraffic on February 03, 2022, 09:52:49 AM

It will be cool to see unification fghts from different promotions like UFC, BELLATOR, EAGLE and the BARE Knuckles to see whos best of the best. Meaning Ngannou is not yet done, he has to fight the rest like Kongo or Moldavsky. When it happens, by then there will be transparency to how the negotiation of money with Dana and to the fighters in Bellator.

Lol. No question Ngannou would def murk both of those guys. And anybody matched up with him should prolly ask for more money for the beating they’ll be getting. Cheesy

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 03, 2022, 01:57:06 AM

I have a friend who’s a huge Fedor fan and he thinks Fedor is the best HW MMA fighter ever. I tend to agree but how do we really know if he hadn’t fought the guys in the UFC? Like Cain, JDS and whoever was at the top during their prime.

I am a fan of Fedor also, but I think he was only the best HW in the organization he competed, or during 2000-2007. Who was the UFC during that period? Nogeira, Arlovsky, Sylvia. He has beaten these guys. He only did not fought against Randy Couture (that would be a very interesting fight to watch) and Barnett (I think he would beat him). You know, I would better say that Fedor was best HW in the ring, but not in octagon. These to places to fight require different tactics. Octagon is bigger, and you can use fence, while ring ropes are quite useless.

I think we are turning this conversation who is better, Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone, Terminator or Universal Soldier Cheesy

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It will be cool to see unification fghts from different promotions like UFC, BELLATOR, EAGLE and the BARE Knuckles to see whos best of the best. Meaning Ngannou is not yet done, he has to fight the rest like Kongo or Moldavsky. When it happens, by then there will be transparency to how the negotiation of money with Dana and to the fighters in Bellator.

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^ Rofl seriously? How could you use boxing vs two washed MMA fighters, Askren and Woodley, as a metric? But if we really want to use that as a metric then let’s get two old washed up MMA fighters from Bellator to fight Jake Paul in a boxing match too then.

And Cris Cyborg got starched by Nunes btw.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on February 01, 2022, 09:53:11 AM

A top #10 fighter in the UFC like Corey Anderson can move to bellator and demolish everyone. As we have seen.

Are you saying that UFC fighters are better than Bellator? It is not always like that. For example former Bellator fighters like Alexander Volkov or Eddie Alvarez performed well among other fighters. Volkov is top5 in heavyweights, Alvarez was a lightweight champion. I could mention Michael Chandler, but he is not doing well in UFC (however he is top5 lightweight).

I would not say that UFC fighters would demolish Bellator fighters, I would rather say that top Bellator fighters are like average UFC fighter. Not a punching bag, and not a future champion.

Not always but mostly yes. And it’s true. I have a friend who’s a huge Fedor fan and he thinks Fedor is the best HW MMA fighter ever. I tend to agree but how do we really know if he hadn’t fought the guys in the UFC? Like Cain, JDS and whoever was at the top during their prime.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on February 01, 2022, 09:53:11 AM

The UFC matches the best in the world against the best in the world.

This is not always the case and confirmation for that is clown youtuber Jack Paul destroying ex-UFC champion not once but two times.
Cris Cyborg is fantastic fighter, maybe one of the best female fighters in the world and she is fighting in Bellator, and there are others.
Many fighters don't like how UFC and Dana White is treating fighters, including champion Francis Nnganou so it won't be surprise if he switches to Bellator or some other organisation.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on February 01, 2022, 09:53:11 AM

A top #10 fighter in the UFC like Corey Anderson can move to bellator and demolish everyone. As we have seen.

Are you saying that UFC fighters are better than Bellator? It is not always like that. For example former Bellator fighters like Alexander Volkov or Eddie Alvarez performed well among other fighters. Volkov is top5 in heavyweights, Alvarez was a lightweight champion. I could mention Michael Chandler, but he is not doing well in UFC (however he is top5 lightweight).

I would not say that UFC fighters would demolish Bellator fighters, I would rather say that top Bellator fighters are like average UFC fighter. Not a punching bag, and not a future champion.

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The UFC matches the best in the world against the best in the world.

Bellator matches its champions and golden boy prospects against subpar competition, to create mismatches that give an exaggerated false impression of how good their fighters are.

A top #10 fighter in the UFC like Corey Anderson can move to bellator and demolish everyone. As we have seen.

They tried to make Ryan Bader a 2 division champ, by feeding him mismatches, but the illusion could not last for long.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on February 01, 2022, 03:38:49 AM

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^ Depends which UFC event you’re talking about bud.

But I do get it. There are some events in the UFC that don’t deliver... But there are events in Bellator that do suck too a lot of times. And Bellator 273 was one of the best events Scott Coker had after a couple of so so events.

What made Bellator 273 special was the underdogs in main card winning their bouts. Especially the Henderson win. He fought in front of his home town, his family and friends. He was considered washed by the books and most of the MMA community and expected him to lose vs one of Khabib’s proteges... Nope. So good.

Exactly! The UFC fluctuates a lot, think of it like crypto XD, it's very turbulent and the quality of an event varies drastically from one to another. It's mostly due to them actually having too many fighters on the rooster and then having to put multiple events just to accommodate those numbers. With Bellator, I see more consistency, but that consistency is on a lower level than UFCs. I am not sure if Bellator can overcome this, it seems to be bound with UFC in some odd way and I doubt it will ever have its own footing in the sport. But it's always good to have options, especially when you look at the talent in ONE and EAGLE FC (when they beef up the roster a bit).

Not really. The UFC has been fairly consistent with their Fight Night events with some of those having a roster worthy to be a PPV event. But the thing with the UFC is you get around two, three or four Fight Night events then a PPV card in between, the quality tends to go up then down to Fight Night quality.

I think a lot of the UFC FN events we’ve seen last year had higher quality than many Bellator events. It’s just more exciting. Match makers in the UFC are really good at their job.

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I was so wrong about Tyron Spong. Not only he is a complete zero in wrestling, but even slow bellyboy Kharitonov outstriked him. Spong ate just every jab Kharitonow has thrown. Just every single punch. I thought that he would show speed and work as number one in the ring, but Kharitonov simply dominated him…

I told you, belly or no belly he is very good fighter Cheesy

Pre match odds were just a bookies trap.

Naaah, Kharitonov won not because he is so good, but because Spong is sucked at everything that night. Kharitonov was heavies and Spong could have used his speed advantage. But he decided not to. For me it even looked that Spong is not in his category. He should fought in light heavy. Spong should have cycle around Kharitonov and gain points. And avoid parter like fire.

Maybe I am still too impressed with his K1 performance. Spong fought top Alistair Overeem (but under K1 rules) and lost via decision. But he survived 3*3min rounds. I have expected him to show same skills that night, but as soon as he felt in parter, it was over.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 31, 2022, 07:53:38 AM

^ Depends which UFC event you’re talking about bud.

But I do get it. There are some events in the UFC that don’t deliver... But there are events in Bellator that do suck too a lot of times. And Bellator 273 was one of the best events Scott Coker had after a couple of so so events.

What made Bellator 273 special was the underdogs in main card winning their bouts. Especially the Henderson win. He fought in front of his home town, his family and friends. He was considered washed by the books and most of the MMA community and expected him to lose vs one of Khabib’s proteges... Nope. So good.

Exactly! The UFC fluctuates a lot, think of it like crypto XD, it's very turbulent and the quality of an event varies drastically from one to another. It's mostly due to them actually having too many fighters on the rooster and then having to put multiple events just to accommodate those numbers. With Bellator, I see more consistency, but that consistency is on a lower level than UFCs. I am not sure if Bellator can overcome this, it seems to be bound with UFC in some odd way and I doubt it will ever have its own footing in the sport. But it's always good to have options, especially when you look at the talent in ONE and EAGLE FC (when they beef up the roster a bit).

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 30, 2022, 10:15:17 AM

Overall it was good. Lots of finishes and some good underdog wins. I hope Bellator match makers keep doing it.

I didn't have time last weekend to watch Bellator fights but I saw the results, Ryan Bader won like I expected,
and it was not good day for other Russian Islam Mamedov who lost from Henderson in co-main event.

I didn't saw many comments about Eangle FC 44 Kharitonov vs Spong, that went exactly as I was predicting with Kharitonov win in second round.
Rashad Evans is finally back after long break with win over Gabriel Checco, and I think, EFC44 was more interesting to watch than Bellator this time.
I signed up for FREE on their FLX website and if you didn't watch this event live you can watch playback again there:
https://watch.goflx.com/player/27454/stream

Quote from: TopTort777 on January 29, 2022, 04:46:00 PM

I was so wrong about Tyron Spong. Not only he is a complete zero in wrestling, but even slow bellyboy Kharitonov outstriked him. Spong ate just every jab Kharitonow has thrown. Just every single punch. I thought that he would show speed and work as number one in the ring, but Kharitonov simply dominated him…

I told you, belly or no belly he is very good fighter Cheesy

Pre match odds were just a bookies trap.

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^ Depends which UFC event you’re talking about bud.

But I do get it. There are some events in the UFC that don’t deliver... But there are events in Bellator that do suck too a lot of times. And Bellator 273 was one of the best events Scott Coker had after a couple of so so events.

What made Bellator 273 special was the underdogs in main card winning their bouts. Especially the Henderson win. He fought in front of his home town, his family and friends. He was considered washed by the books and most of the MMA community and expected him to lose vs one of Khabib’s proteges... Nope. So good.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on January 30, 2022, 03:21:56 AM

You know what, Benson is an OG. What a fighter, such a legacy and still going strong. My hats off to him.

Yup, he still has it. I meant the hair that keeps distracting him. He should have braided it whenever he fights.
Amazing how he roll thru when he was about to get slammed but he goes with it landed on top. I still have him in mind to be one of the greatest back in 2010 where most matches are obviously unfair when it comes to sizes and weight. He suddenly disappears in UFC though.

Quote from: tokeweed on January 30, 2022, 10:15:17 AM

^ Lost one parlay but won the other one and the bet on Bader. All the fighters that won in the main card were underdogs. Lol. The books were way off in the main event, the co main and with Homasi vs Willis. And it really looked like the read about Bader’s wrestling being the thing that gives him the advantage was spot on. Gotta thank somebody for that one. Grin

Bader got a little tired at the end of the fifth tho.

Overall it was good. Lots of finishes and some good underdog wins. I hope Bellator match makers keep doing it.

Lots of finishes which is more exciting than in UFC. UD is just overrated.

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^ Lost one parlay but won the other one and the bet on Bader. All the fighters that won in the main card were underdogs. Lol. The books were way off in the main event, the co main and with Homasi vs Willis. And it really looked like the read about Bader’s wrestling being the thing that gives him the advantage was spot on. Gotta thank somebody for that one. Grin

Bader got a little tired at the end of the fifth tho.

Overall it was good. Lots of finishes and some good underdog wins. I hope Bellator match makers keep doing it.

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